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I believe he's referring to Schwab bank accounts which do refund fees, but they're only available for Americans - http://thepointsguy.com/2014/02/the-top-11-checking-accounts-for-avoiding-foreign-atm-fees/
That link references Citibank ATMs having no fee which used to be the case (e.g. by the Asoke interchange in Bangkok) but not anymore I've heard.
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spoiled things for a lot of guys
Right yeah the effects of expats overstaying have been slowly but surely mounting up over the decades, reaching a critical tipping point mid 2014 just coincidentally at the same time as a military dictatorship seizes power.
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Some of you guys are so thick it's unbelievable.
I'm guessing you weren't on the high school debate team.
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It's people like him that caused the crackdown.
How do you feel about that?
Speculation. The military is arresting Thais left right and centre and cracking down on pretty much everything from unmetered taxis to reading Orwell in public. They publicly stated they want Thailand to become 'more Thai' and blamed civil unrest on the 'influence of Western movies'. I could speculate that they'd have added blacklisting laws even if not a single foreigner had ever overstayed.
Edit: made my post more objective as it's prohibited to criticize the junta.
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http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/jjj/
Edit: not really 'in Sydney' though, not sure how helpful those are
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If one chooses to live or reside in a country which as you say does not offer a foreigner any rights, employment, benefits, land ownership, yet props up a percentage of that country's economy then that is that person's choice and in no way gives that person any further rights or abilities beyond what is stated in the country's book of rules.
It means no one should find overstaying reprehensible.
As far as "jumping through hoops" is concerned... do you know what someone has to do in the UK as an American? I do, and it cost me 2 years of applications and waiting and a good deal of money (in fees alone) just to be told that I had to take and pass the "Being British Test" before I could get that Indefinite Leave to Remain visa.I'm familiar with that test, friends in London passed it easily. I'd love to take a 'being Thai' equivalent in return for indefinite leave to remain, high income employment, free healthcare etc. you know the list by now.
I would have thought that it was difficult for him to have lived in Thai for those 11 years of his overstay without worrying about being found out and so you are not going make me believe that he, as a normal person, would not have felt some trepidation when moving about.
The guy who overstayed 37 years felt no trepidation, it was posted in one of these threads.
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Frankly I would have kept all of it to myself.
He would've kept it to himself, but he posted it in the light of the recent crackdown to encourage others to clear their overstay safely before it's too late.
Think what you would think if someone did it in your own.
If he lived in a developing country that gives foreigners no rights, benefits, employment capacity, healthcare, land ownership or automatic citizenship, where foreigners prop up a large % of the economy yet still have to jump through visa hoops every 90 days even supporting a family, where said country has decided the offence only carries a 20k baht max fine and as per many reports officers are all smiles and jokes when paying it, he probably wouldn't think too much about it.
11 years of worrying about being caught must have been hellish.
People have posted over and over that after decades here, they were never required to show the visa page of their passport to anyone. The idea that you'd be always looking over your shoulder literally only exists on Thaivisa.
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propably mostly of them work without WP,
In a low cost of living country that restricts foreigners from working in almost all occupations?
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Thais (and my countrymen for that matter) don't get the same favours from western countries, as you guys do, when it comes to visas.
No we just give you social benefits, free healthcare, high paying legal employment in any sector, and a clear easy path to permanent residence and a passport. Hope that makes up for it.
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I would not like to live like a refugee for eleven years, to save one or two thousend dollars
More like living a totally free life with zero risk of ever being asked to show his passport, still being able to book hotels, open bank accounts etc. (see the post in the other thread about living here 37 years and never needing to show it) and saving ten thousand dollars (~30k thb/year in Ed visa fees, tuition, and extensions).
Sign me up.
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If you search these boards there are 'crackdowns' in 2009, 2011, 2013 too that never ended up being more than rumour.
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If farang low life were weeded out quickly
They need look no further than the first couple of posts in this thread
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Round and round and round we go. There is no working visa for under 50's accept it!
Or go to Somalia or somewhere.
Just because you have discovered how not to do a 9-5 job and make your living off the internet it doesn't mean Thailand wants you.
ericthai gives the main options in post #137 above.
The question is on the list to be posed by TV to the immigration commander so spare the vitriol for now Dad. Off topic for this thread anyway.
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I've read a lot of these threads and something I'd like to know is, is there a difference under Thai law between being employed in Thailand and working as in being a digital nomad or whatever? To me they are obviously different things as one could have a detrimental effect on the opportunities for local people and potentially the Thai economy if the money earned was taken out of Thailand on the other hand the other would only have a positive effect on the Thai economy as the person, working, whilst in Thailand would be spending money in the local economy. Are these two considered the same when considering the meaning of "employment prohibited"? Has "working" been explicitly defined by the Thai authorities? If I was in charge of setting policy I'd want all the digital nomads I could get as they would just be effectively long term tourists in terms of their contribution to the Thai economy and if they paid tax on top of that then even better. On the UK government website it says that taking paid or unpaid work is something you can't do on a tourist visa which to me implies taking up work in the UK so I wonder is that the same for Thailand.
It hasn't been explicitly defined in law yet but on a radio show an immigration spokesman agreed that if online work didn't have an influence in Thailand it would be acceptable http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/473613-working-legally-in-thailand-immigration-and-labour-departments-speaks-out/
The issue is more the difficulty of staying long term with TR / ED / TE visa doing this, as to pay taxes a work permit is required and for a work permit employing 4 Thai nationals is required. No freelance work permit exists as yet.
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^ Repeating myself but you can't work online 'legally' with the TE card (says in the terms employment is prohibited) anymore than you can or can't with a TR / ED visa (they're equally grey areas).
It's doesn't outright solve the issue of being 'legal' for onliners (like OP), it just guarantees border officials won't ask questions.
Many TV posters who stress the importance of getting 'legal' (a framework they make up) also recommend the TE card to online freelancers which isn't really consistent. Onliners who could afford and would buy the card, would continue working, they aren't retired yet.
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When I was a student at Excel Language Centre, facing Big C South Road at Pattaya, there where Russian students on ED Visa studying English, and a few Farangs studying Chinese on ED Visa too. Just search on Google.
Thanks, this seems harder to find in BKK from my googling. Pro language doesn't do it, Language express no mention of it
Walen BKK has Chinese but no Ed visa as yet http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/727615-walen-school-of-chinese/
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do Thais even go to school 8 hours a week?
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Anyone would think the Thais had a pikey caravan site on their doorstep.
Out back of the old folks home.
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But you can still learn other languages in Thailand, if you choose to do so. Here in Pattaya I have seen schools offer English, German, French, Japanese, Chinese and Russian classes.
I don't know anyone on an Ed visa studying a non-Thai language. When I looked into it I couldn't find any info on it, every school's website only seemed to process the Ed visa for Thai courses. I'd love to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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I see it means they are not-unwanted but if they were really, really, wanted their would be some visa/immigration provision to show they are not -not-unwanted.
Criminal elements could claim to freelance online and stay indefinitely with a one-man work permit. Its unworkable.
Instead people just work online on TR / Ed visas and as the link above shows, they don't consider it a problem. It being unwanted is a myth perpetuated on these forums.
Thailand has included online money making in its' definition of work.
It hasn't
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The Thai government has also made no provision such that an online worker who is not employed by a Thai company and with a valid working permit can be permitted to stay long-term or otherwise in the Kingdom for that particular reason.
Such a provision would be ripe for abuse. It's absence doesn't imply genuine online workers are unwanted.
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I've been here for 7 years since I was 26 I moved here because I rather like the place not because I'm unwanted elsewhere, and until I started reading TV I wasn't aware that my presence here caused such distress to other expats.
Lol exactly this. It's like they have to find something to be angry about.
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You can't work online legally with the Elite card either, it's essentially just an expensive way to get immigration officials to look the other way.
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Working Online
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
Posted · Edited by jspill
My hypothesis is they are aware of some expats having online income and don't particularly care (nowhere near as much as certain posters here seem to) as long as the income is generated offshore and has no influence on Thai citizens, but can't clarify it in law as a 'freelance work permit' would be too laborious to define, and ripe for abuse by undesirables.
After all how could one prove that an adsense blog belongs to them, and they're not in fact dealing crack on soi 3?
They appreciate the financial contribution of an author on the beach but stick to a less flexible visa system for convenience and if necessary make judgements on a case-by-case basis.
Just my opinion, but its backed up by reports of people being told 'no problem for you' when they explained to immigration that they 'sell stuff online' and have no thai customers. Also by the fact that Thai police aren't tracing IPs to raid the studio apartments of digital nomads.