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True but a different scenario. The reds were being assasinated, to order, and it was purely a defiant cry on the retreat. What would you have them say from the stage. "look everybody the nice gentleman in green are shooting your chums in the back, we think its better we pack up and go home now". Plonker
Ignoring the direct attempt at insulting me...
So the PDRC/Sutheps lot have not been attacked and murdered/assasinated? Wasnt one of their leaders shot dead at close range the other week? Havent the protest sites been attacked by gunfire and grenade/explosives on an almost daily basis? If its good for the goose...
and my memory of the 2010 protests - ok, i agree sometimes my memory isnt what it used to be
- the call to burn down bangkok was prior to the red shirts pouring hundreds of litres of blood over Abhisits front gate, which was long before the red protesters when intoi 'retreat' mode. Id be happy to be proven wrong but i think you will find the burn down bangkok chant was quite early i nthe red protests of 2010.but... on a slightly different subject, are there any red supporters and/or neutral persons here who do NOT think the Thai political system needs reforms? Before, during, after elections aside, are there any pro-government supporters here who think the thai political system is just fine and should be left as is?
Apologies for the insult...but no red shirt has ever been found guilty of arson in Bangkok
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Knowing how "impartial" the Thai judiciary is, I'm sure they'll find supporting an insurrection and kidnapping government officials less serious than appearing on television for pay.
Would you kindly provide some links/evidence to support your claim that government officals have been kidnapped?
Didnt think so...
Suthep has multiple times on stage called on his supporters to kidnap Yingluck and government officials. There are news posts by The Nation with evidence and videos on YouTube. What more evidence do you want?
Calling for a head of state and cabinet members to be kidnapped is a serious offense.
and whom, precisely, has been kidnapped?
I didnt think so...
If calls on stage are accountable, i would like to refer you back to the 2010 Red Shirt protests where multiple protest leaders (i think some of them are actually MP's - or were) called everyone to burn bangkok to the ground.
True but a different scenario. The reds were being assasinated, to order, and it was purely a defiant cry on the retreat. What would you have them say from the stage. "look everybody the nice gentleman in green are shooting your chums in the back, we think its better we pack up and go home now". Plonker
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Knowing how "impartial" the Thai judiciary is, I'm sure they'll find supporting an insurrection and kidnapping government officials less serious than appearing on television for pay.
Would you kindly provide some links/evidence to support your claim that government officals have been kidnapped?
Didnt think so...
Suthep has multiple times on stage called on his supporters to kidnap Yingluck and government officials. There are news posts by The Nation with evidence and videos on YouTube. What more evidence do you want?
Calling for a head of state and cabinet members to be kidnapped is a serious offense.
As I referred to earlier..a Al Jazeera translation showed a geriatric coffin dodger on the PDRC stage saying he would show respect to the PM when she reached menopause..cue clappers and whistles. Are they real these people. They need a good un with the hairy side of my hand...youths would be clouted for showing so little respect. Please god rain for a month and remove the stench from the streets
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"we don't even know if the majority of Thais want this reform or not.'
Well 55% didn't bother to vote, and many more voted NO, which seems to indicate they do want reform.
Didn't bother to vote or were prevented from voting? And "many more" voted "No Vote", how many?
A "No Vote" does not mean I want or don't want reforms, does it? Or was there something printed on the ballot in regards to reforms? When I wrote the post, I never expected someone to give such a ridiculous answer, so I'm giving you a chance to go back and post again, but this time something that makes sense.
Thank you.
How many were prevented from voting in Chiang Mai (55% turn-out), Udon (55%), Ubon (55%), Surin (50%)? PTP were the major party in all those electorates, and PTP itself has estimated their TOTAL vote was ~10 million. The support for the incumbent has dropped to disastrously low levels. How can a party claim a mandate with less than 25% of the available votes?
A No might not mean the voters want reforms, but it sure as hell means they DON"T want PTP. Sorry if that hurts (not really).
And if Abhisit had manned up to take another rear rooting and provided some opposition we can be sure another 5 million PTP would have turned out. Hardly a poster anywhere in Thailand..pointless campaiging when the oppo is a paid for mard arse
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A bunch of corrupt criminals trying to take down the democrat party through the courts...
Ironic or what?
You know nowt to very little. All MP's by nature are corrupt.. Suthep made his family nearly a billion baht for his family by running down national stocks of palm oil and not importing to avert a crisis. if you remember when cooking oil prices shot thru the roof..that was purely Sutheps doing and he abused, beyond belief, his position has Head of the government committee on Palm Oil. His own party members detested his behaviour for trying to sell cabinet seats to coalition members, he brought down his own government in the 90's for selling land to his mates and making millions. Bunch of crimminals.all of them and Suthep is top of the pile
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Execute those warrents and arrest the protest leaders... then you will have your civil war, mark my words.
I think the police know this, they also know that they will come under some significant physical resistance should they try and being the cowards that they are, they dont have the balls to do it...
... There will be more blood on the streets of Bangkok if they try
Its the financial backers of Sutheps mob that the police are scared off. Please try thinking who they might be and we can discuss it on here..nothing to do with being cowards. Its the heirarachical system of Thailand. Little boys never cuff the big boys
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This is I believe the fifth or the sixth time they have issued an arrest warrant? Were the previous warrants just for fun?
It is different. Earlier they have sought arrest warrants, but court not approved them. This is a game changer since it is Criminal Court that says OK to the warrant.
Also it is not an arrest they can jump on bail same day. This give the authority the chance to keep them jailed for 7 days and not even tell CC for 48 hours. That is significant.
I doubt the leaders will let themselfs be arrested. They will taunt the authority from behind a line of unarmed peaceful guards. Dont be surprised if the same unarmed peacefull guards suddenly shoot from their fake louis vuitton manpurses if police try to get the 19 leaders.
If they like walking so much let them do it round the prison yard
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Still don't believe the mob at Lak Si trying to stop voting were supported by masked men in black? The pictures have been all over the web - can't be bothered to find the one of the 'unarmed protesters' unloading weapons from the van, but that is there too.
An anti government protestor firing his M16 from a fertilizer bag..cant hear any return fire
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He said these gunmen would be arrested with no bias of which side they belonged to.
However there is no doubt which side the three identified ones belong to.
They know nothing about the other 19.
The world knows they belonged to the anti democratic PDRC. Finally we can put to bed the 'black shirts are cambodians ' working for Thaksin. You can bet they are the same black shirts from 2010 that were supposed to be red shirt followers. The black shirt from 2010 were agitators deployed by the government of the day not Thaksin. Likely ex soldiers with access to M16's.
Anymore debates you would like to lose...you have lost nearly every thread since pre election 2011. Thick skinned like Suthep
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Not even the army will comply with you, you old witch!! ha ha ha
Saw an Aljazeera translation of Sutheps brother in arms..Abhisit calling the Prime Minister a "dumb cookie" on the PDRC Stage (the movement he has no links with..his quote not mine). Is there any wonder this clown can not create policies or strategy to remove this government. As for your comment it will never be seen as one of the great Oscar Wilde, Winston Churchill retorts of this century.. For christ sake grow up or shut up if you have nothing to add to a serious debate.
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Grapes tasting sour?
Geez you just don't get it do you?
Do you 'get' that today the people of Thailand have ignored Suthep and gone out to exercise their right to vote? The people have spoken
Obviously you don't understand.Let me explain it to you.
Today was not about voting. Today was about reforming the system before an election.
Now I don't give two hoots about who won and who lost so long it is a fair fight.
At the moment it is not a level playing field.
Neither side wants to win for the people they both want to win for themselves and that is bad for the people.
What they should do is reform the the rules to make vote tampering a thing of the past and hold new election banning existing politicians, friends and family from standing and basically that is what, love him or hate him, Suthep is trying to do.
If you seriously believe that you dont understand what is going on. Suthep by hook or by crook, with mighty financial backing, must be at the trough for the next chapter of Thailands history. Failure to achieve this will mean his backers, who have benefitted greatly from the current regime, will never be in the game again as long as Thaksin is alive.
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Looks like Suthep and his lackeys failed to stop democracy!
Democracy???? You can only vote for the government or Chuvit at this election....Welcome in the democracy East Germany style.
And why so few options to vote for...cant have nothing to do with Abhisit being in Cahoots with the anti democratic Suthep
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im waiting for his die-hard supporters on here to chip in there noncence..
I have yet to see a "die-hard supporter" of Chalerm on TV. Please point them out so I may laugh hysterically.
Btw, its: nonsense.
Laugh at me..I like Chalerm. Every government has them....guys who do the dirty jobs and really dont care. Lets clean them Bangkok streets boys...
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its probably been said already by someone more knowledgeable than me in the previous 8 pages and they may well correct me but here goes:
i think this current stand by the government is about one thing only . PT somehow have to cling to power for the next 180 days.
If they succeed the amnesty bill will pass and their paymaster proxy PM Thaksin will be absolved of his crimes and be free to return to Thailand.
Once absolved of his conviction he can stand again for a place in Thai politics.
As a convicted criminal, he cannot.
If they succeed Thailand will forever be under the thumb of this megalomaniacal tyrant and his corrupt family
Thaksin not interested in direct involvment in politics. hes a 'shoe in' for another job. Thats why Suthep is on his soap box every night.
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So sick of all this meaningless nonsense. Can we just skip to the coup already?
Sorry to disappoint but there is no Army coup coming. Never has been if people actually bothered to listen to the Army.
Some will say that once the courts have busted the Shinawatra's and the Pheu Thai's lawless, lazy, incompetent and morally corrupt <deleted> again for their misdeeds that it will be a judicial coup. But hey thats what courts do when you think you are above the law and the constitution.
So the ultra corupt Judiciary, Constitution court and EC get to remove the PTP..what then. Thaksin has a majority on his own he does not need the coalition and I belive unlike before when Newin sold him up the river for his few million dollars and the promise of a bus maintainence contract, these coalition members will stand firm (even when they are made offers they cant refuse) So we have another election and guess what Thaksin wins again.
This behaviour is amount to dereliction of duty, like being a spy for the enemy in times of war, and they will not be able to put a Reform Council in place because the only answer to that is Civil War. For sure these gutless b4stards will be nowhere to be seen
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PTP, Yingluck and Thaksin. Your shit is piling up, big time. Well "som nam na"
Hope somebody is logging all these names of the"outed" just in case the 16,000,000 need to vent their anger at someone
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Why will the Shinawatras want to instigate any killings as it will only get all the fingers point at them?
The government has been purposely non confrontational for most of this charade and now Suthep Luvvies would have you believe they would screw it all up when they are on the eve of a election landslide which can only be halted by Suthep Mob violence. Whatever its a win win for Thaksin..so he shoots a few strays...you need to check what you are posting before you hit the enter key. ( failing that read after posting then quickly and select edit post to save you from embarrassment)
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Shinawatra democracy at work again.
RIP
Groundless accusation at work again.
Read & Instist on Proofs first
I dont need to SEE the world trade center to see what happened toit - just as I KNOW SHINAWATRA is behindd the criminal attacks on protestors!!
Absolutely no facts to support that. Like your beloved leader ...all reforms and no facts
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well well well,(not 3 holes in the ground either) the reds are at it again, thaksins orders being followed to a tee. These red shirts are worse than the muslim terrorists down south, pathetic
Is this your assumption or do you have links we dont know about
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Killing someone is always wrong but are we surprised it happens when this is what happens when wanting to vote?
is that a red shirt guy?
As we have no idea what brought this on, how can you make a jugdment
before the photo was taken he could have spit in this guys eye
or even kicked and punched him
take a good photos and then create a spin so it fit you bias
Can you put some spin on this....
Or spin your way out of why this Democrat leader said on Channel News Asia that the Democrat Party had no links with Suthep. Nice whistle
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Murder is wrong, and I think a lot of us condemn the killings on both sides. But having said that, a systematic attempt to close polling stations to stop people exercising their democratic right to vote is a criminal act that goes well beyond legitimate protest. Can we really be surprised if people who fear that their votes will be taken away become violent? Many TVF posters who subscribe to the 'one evil man' theory have peddled the argument for a very long time that cutting off Thaksin's alleged payments from abroad would result in all those terrible red people settling down again to their lives as part of the rural and urban under-classes. Others of us have contended that it is already too late to put the genie back in the bottle, and that attempts to disenfranchise the 'uneducated northerners' will spark a violent response. We are not endorsing that violence, just saying that that is what happens in such circumstances. If I had to make a prediction I would say the violence will escalate if there is a coup.
Just wondering how I would react to a century of repression, no money, being told constantly that you only vote for who pays them, being told by some up her arse socialite your too thick to vote. Having all this blasted at you for 80 days by a very small minority, from hundreds of trucks with speakers. The only thing many poor have, that makes them feel equal, is their right to vote and somebody is trying to take it away. So today that right is physically taken away by some silly paid for activists who look down on you like you are shit.
How would I react... NUT..stitch that you stuck up ponce. Thats not inciting violence but it may help the yellow activists on here realise where these people are coming from
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There come those times when you've got to put up and defend yourself with your fists, a knife, a baseball bat or a gun, whatever.
No one has advocated violence, except Suthep, until now and the people behind and alongside Suthep have had a long run of fighting and being fought with words, but there comes a day when it's time to lay it on the people who are prepared to run right over you.
Today was the day, elections and voting, and some men drew the line in the sand and the election blockers got a taste of frontier justice. Richly deserved imho.
And yes, you prevent me from exercising my right to vote in a democratic election, especially one that the opposition has done so much to frustrate in every underhanded, imaginable way and you'll find me well hard and going after the culprits to make sure they know unequivocally where the line is.
Since when has Suthep advocated violence? Except for a few bouts of violence, this 3 month protest has been relatively peaceful. It is the protestors that have been shot at and bombed.
A little person has actually talked about 'defending with your fists, a knife, a baseball bat or a gun, whatever.' Well newsflash, after today's assasination, you can bet the protestors will be defending themselves. Whatever violence that happens next, the Shinawatras are to blame because they are the ones who just martyred one of the protest leaders and gave the protestors the moral high ground,
What dont you understand..It was in the main non violent because security forces adopted a hands off approach after the intial run ins at government house. They have been left alone to do what they want. There was always going to come a day when these people had to be moved on. Suthep has been pulling the tigers tail for too long. Doubt we will see him walking in Bangkok no more. Death is never to be belittled but this has been coming for weeks and the message has been sent...there is no limits to which the 'democratic voters' of Thailand will go to to get their vote. Now they have made a martyr..
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This government and their red pawns, are getting away with murder AGAIN! Any wise leader, would step down, at this point, if it was a true democracy. What is Yingluck afraid off? If she really has the majority of people behind her, she would have nothing to worry about. There will be elections again, in a year or two.
Why not let some intelligent people run the Country for a while?
R.I.P. Khun Suthin. Our condolences to the family!
If Suthep has his way...there will be elections when the time is right..that maybe a decade or two. You honestly take this man at his word...hes rotten and corrupt to the core
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Wait for the flood of Nay sayers, will question the validity of the poll,79.6 answered they will vote on February 2, 2014.
51,5 believe the election should be held as planned, 28.1% favored reform before the election!
47.1 % were determined to vote on election day, 34.3% would wait and see if no violence!
It does not say for whom they intend to vote< just that they plan to vote,What it does document that Suthep boycott has not changed the voters right to cast their vote on election day.,
Suthep again does not speak for the majority of Thai Voters!
What he has always championed is appointment to power of the minority, to rule the majority!
I told you so!
Last I knew 47.1% isn't the majority of Thailand either, so I don't know what you're going on about.
100 seats more than the Dems ..now thats an ass wooping not a majority
- the call to burn down bangkok was prior to the red shirts pouring hundreds of litres of blood over Abhisits front gate, which was long before the red protesters when intoi 'retreat' mode. Id be happy to be proven wrong but i think you will find the burn down bangkok chant was quite early i nthe red protests of 2010.
Suthep says plundering rice warehouse is next step
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By the people he means those close to his chirade...not everybody in Thailand. Last I heard he wanted a 400 strong committee of which he already had 300 names...which he refuses to list for public scrutiny. For a man holding the country at ransom you may be right to think he would have more details about his reforms for public consumption but no he just keeps moving the goalposts and claiming false victories for his dwindling band of merry clappers.