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15 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:
The first question is whether you actually need a TIN, do you/will you have taxable income in excess of the threshold this year?
If the answer is no, I'd wait until next year and do as advised. If yes and you plan to file a return, I'd take steps to get one. Which type of Revenue office did you go to in Jomtiem, District, Region or small local? The bigger the office, the more likely they are to understand the rules.
But Jomtiem has such a high concentration of foreigners, it may be harder to obtain one there than other parts of the country so this is new ground for me. I can usually always get anything done that I need to at the District office in Chiang Mai but TIN's are only issued from the Regional office which is located elsewhere in town (at least that used to be the case). You may have been fobbed off because they can't issue you with one at that office and they didn't want to admit it.
Assuming you have a genuine need and desire to file a Thai tax return next January, I would go to the biggest tax office in my area, armed with proof I am a year round resident and that there is a need to file a tax return. Asking for a TIN doesn't require a bank statement (which is another odd thing about what you wrote) but they may want to see proof that you have a legitimate need to file. You could say that you receive rental income in Thailand, along with money/income from overseas and that you need to file....stand your ground and go up the chain if need be.
Perhaps others who have applied for TIN's at Jomtiem successfully, can comment?
Thanks Mike I'm just so frustrated at the minute..basically this is a shambles.I probably wouldn't have owed tax as i only bring in 640000 baht p.a. and my allowances and deductions are 560000 plus credits from the uk thai dta.I just stupidly tried to do the right thing..
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4 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:Once again, if you are then you can ask questions here or you can PM me with them.
One problem this thread has it that some of the loudest voices are the ones least willing to contribute to the construction of the guide, proof read it and submit or even propose content, or support posters such as yourself and answer questions from members, without being prompted. Maybe it's empty vessel syndrome or maybe it's just that they don't care about helping.
I for one appreciate your hard work Mike.If you have read my reply to proton what would you advise me to do when I've tried to follow the law and been sent away by unhelpful staff and without a tin number?
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1 hour ago, proton said:
Apart from Mike is there anyone not confused about all this?
Very few I suspect including sections of the revenue department.I went to Jomtien tax office this morning after following the simple tax guide to get a tin number as per the law and came away empty handed.They told my wife and I to come back next year with a bank statement.This will be way past the mandated 60 days deadline for bringing assessable income into Thailand and my residence cert. might be expired after 30 days.A total waste of time and money!
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2 minutes ago, Thaindrew said:
this is where it will get interesting / complicated as in many instances that 65000 is not coming in as visa applications are submitted via agents who "deposit" 800,000.
I've been curious about this too..
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The stress of all this will probably finish a few of us off.
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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:Folksies -- it's been said before but at this stage both don't panic and don't conclude this won't hit you.
We all need to WAIT!
It's as simple as that.
This situation is in process.
We've heard countries with anti double taxation treaties won't be effected by this, but alas we haven't seen anything close to final language yet!
We know what makes you a tax resident in Thailand NOW, but we don't know if they'll change that.
There is no logical reason to jump to any conclusions, positive or negative, at this time,
100 Percent the best thing to do however easier said than done!
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10 hours ago, Thorgal said:
As per another press release of the same subject this income tax change is only for Thai citizens (no need to thank me...)
"Thais earning income abroad and exploiting a well-known tax loophole are about to have their vibe killed by the country’s greatest party pooper: The government. A statement issued by the Revenue Department Friday announced that all money earned by Thai citizens must be taxed as personal income, effective January 1, 2024.
https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thailand-to-tax-all-income-earned-abroad-starting-next-year/
Phew!
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Seems every 6 months to a year a nightmare scenario appears to disturb our tranquility in the LOS but rarely does anything come of it.I'm guessing/hoping this is just another
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1 hour ago, chickenslegs said:
Just spent 15 minutes trying to find a 'tax rebate' button on my Gov Gateway Personal Tax Account.
Can you point me in the right direction?
Maybe I'm wrong here but it's possible he is referring to self assessment and you to PAYE which is normally repaid via the tax code
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2 minutes ago, Moonlover said:
If you have an on-line account it is a very simple matter to have this problem corrected. So are you registered for an on-line account?
See my later posts mine was corrected yesterday after more than 4 months
waiting and phone calls.I wouldn't say it's very simple having to do hmrc's job for them.
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15 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:
I gave that a laugh, but it's not really funny.
Maybe someone who has been through the process of reclaiming overpayments can tell us the procedure, which forms to complete, and where to find the forms.
Bearing in mind the process took over 4 months this is what I did.When you get your tax code notice and it is wrong you need to go to your gov.uk/personal-tax-account and complete a submission stating what is incorrect in my case my state pension amount.Then wait and wait and wait maybe phone hmrc and have them blame dwp who you then phone and who knows you might get lucky.
There is a video on hmrc's youtube channel ex
plaining things as well
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3 hours ago, mikebell said:
But do I know you?
I will see you Friday ????
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23 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:
I have the opposite problem. I have been receiving my UK state pension for more than 1 year (my total income is quite a bit higher than the tax allowance) but my income tax has not increased.
I informed HMRC online, who confirmed that I was not paying sufficient income tax, but they could not adjust my tax code without confirmation from DWP. I was told by HMRC that I need to request DWP to inform HMRC of my state pension income. I then contacted DWP but was told that HMRC already have access to my state pension information, and that I should contact HMRC myself. I then logged into my Government Gateway account and informed HMRC of my additional income.
This was 6 weeks ago and I have not received a response. Meantime, I am expecting a tax bill of 2K GPB or more when they eventually get around to sorting things out.
Lucky for me that I noticed the underpayment and set aside some money to pay the shortfall.
But, what an absolute shambles!
Indeed now I know what the common catchphrase 'broken Britain' means.
I have read that if you owe under 3K hmrc collect by adjusting your tax code.Good luck.
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16 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:
I am certain that some UK pensioners have been able to do so - and have posted here that they received refunds from HMRC. Unfortunately, the aseannow search facility is no help, but I'm pretty sure that @mikebellis one. IIRC he got a cheque for a few thousand quid. Maybe he will respond with a link to his thread.
Edit: Found the thread ...
Thanks.I know Mike Bell well.Amazingly just when I had nearly given up I checked my personal tax account just now and they have adjusted my tax code today!
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I believe there are many others in the same situation as me has anyone managed to successfully get a tax code corrected and if so how?
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3 hours ago, CharlieKo said:
Does HMRC know you are living in Thailand? If not that might be the reason you are over taxed. Because HMRC assume you live in the UK!
Well they have had my thai address for 16 years.
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2 hours ago, steve187 said:
as long as you keep up with and check your latest tax coding i don't see the problem, can be done on the gov app, or online.
The problem isn't keeping up with the latest tax coding it's getting it changed when it is obviously wrong.
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To quote figures I get 182.81 per week state pension or 9506.12 annually and a private pension which takes me over the personal allowance but my latest tax code letter from hmrc and confirmed on my personal tax account says I have 10458 state pension annually the amount I would get if I had the annual increase.I am paying approx. 15 pounds a month too much income tax deduction on my company pension.
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32 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:
Question. Do you get any other income other than the state pension which takes you over the 12,500 tax free allowance?
The only other income i have is a tiny amount of interest last year it was 40 pence.The tax free allowance is 12570 btw.I also have a company pension see details below .
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2 minutes ago, steve187 said:
as long as you keep up with and check your latest tax coding i don't see the problem, can be done on the gov app, or online.
I sent a submission online telling them how much pension I was getting took them 4 months April to Aug. to 'complete' looking into it but my tax deducted remains unchanged in Sept.
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Another thread about the ongoing scandal of UK pensioners paying income tax on pension increases we have not received..Phoned them today to explain my situation only to be met with the abrupt response 'we can only go off the figures provided by DWP you need to contact them'.Not really interested in helping at all.
So I did and they were much more helpful.They said they would contact HMRC through 'searchlight' which seems to be a way to access customer info. and phone me back with an update..he also said he would post me my complete pension record.
Whether any good will come of this remains to be seen..
It's bad enough not getting the pension increases but then to be taxed as if you were is incompetence on a grand scale.
Rant over any input or insight into what is going on would be much appreciated..
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This situation is intolerable.Surely as long term U.K. taxpayers we shouldn't be put through this nonesense affecting our health as our lives draw to a close.Shame on HMRC.
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On 6/11/2023 at 4:52 PM, chang50 said:
I am in the same position as apparently many others are ie being taxed for an increase I do not get.Made a submission to HMRC thru the gateway site on 29/4/23 to this effect was given an estimated response date of 18/5/23.Still waiting for that their excuse is they are doing technical work on my submission or they are busier than normal.Hopefully this won't drag on too long..
I now suspect this will drag on and on.Although my submission was marked completed about 2 weeks ago I am still paying too much tax on my private pension paid Sept 1st.I will see what happens in Oct...the service is shambolic at best grrr!
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1 hour ago, giddyup said:
You may have to go to the online site and check whether it's been approved, then download the PDF file. I had to do that on my last online report as I wasn't notified by email that it had been approved.
Same here.
Thai government to tax all income from abroad for tax residents starting 2024
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Yes I honestly believed that.My only defence is there are many many things in this world that we have to do at least by the letter of the law that make zero sense to me.