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3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:Don't worry the reunification is just around the corner.
You will lose NI as well as Scotland. ????
Absolute nonsense based on no credible fact.
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2 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:
HAHA, that's exactly what the EU want - a level playing field (competition rules)! You just made the EU's point!
Only it's not level. Not all member states interpret the rules the same. Some are rather creative when it suits.
Start with France and work you way around.
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10 hours ago, Hi from France said:
So the Brexiteers government chooses access to the European energy market over some fish quota, not a big surprise considering the attractiveness of the offer made..
But "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
And even if there's a deal, the British government doesn't trust it can speedily import Covid-19 vaccine from Belgium just across the channel
Now, there are two much bigger hurdles, the first being the UK access to the European market while undermining European standards with low pay or pollution
The second is the newly-acquired reputation of the Brits as liars, signing a treaty and then reneging
Check which current members of the EU pay low wages and check who the biggest polluters are.
But it's do as we say, not as we do, of course.
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21 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:
I asked that question a long time back and the answer is that a driving licence or international driving permit is required to be issued from the country of nationality in your passport if and where it is accepted as valid for short term use, and not from a country other than your original nationality. Unless you have dual and Thai passport to match Thai diving licence.
I've hired cars at Heathrow in the UK using an Abu Dhabi and Thai driving license in the past. I only have a British passport. No international driver's permit; just the licenses.
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14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:
The UK should just cancel the talks. They don't want to agree to a reasonable deal with the EU. Ok, fine, then don't waste everybody's time.
Boris and others always said no deal is better than a bad deal. Fine. No deal is it.
If that is said now then everybody has at least almost a month to prepare for the consequences. There is no point in talking, talking, talking and then on the 31st December nobody is prepared.
Bye bye UK. It would have been nice to continue on reasonable terms with you. But you didn't want that. Good luck for the future, you will need it.
The EU don't want a reasonable deal. They want control and all their own way.
This behavior was so clear it resulted in Johnson being elected with a substantial majority. Other factors influenced that of course but British people were become alienated by the EU childlike behavior.
Had the EU listened to more reasoned voices, like Guy Verhofstadt, and gone on a charm offensive, the results could have been very different, given the close initial referendum result and clear majority of remainers within parliament.
But, like most people, threats and bullying often provoke the opposite response.
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5 minutes ago, polpott said:
No lies. Junker made the Eu's position clear before the referendum. The deal would be on their terms and would punish the UK for leaving the club. If you publicly slagged off your local golf club and terminated your membership would you expect to be welcomed back to the 19th hole with open arms?
Can you provide citation for where Junker specifically said that please?
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14 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:
Expect in two days an article reading “UK and EU keen to get a deal, but time is running out”
Then two days later “We want a deal, say EU and UK, but not at any price”
This starts to feel like that Bill Murray movie. And it will probably go on like this for a while, even after 1 Jan 21.
Totally agree. If you read Negotiation books, one of the tactics is called "broken record" tactic. Basically one side simply keeps repeating its demand / standpoint over and over and over again. The idea being that the other side will eventually tire and give in particularly if all the other points have been agreed.
But here, both seem to be trying the same idea!
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3 minutes ago, polpott said:The EU are playing a blinder. They wanted to make it clear, to the rest of the EU states, the dire consequences of leaving. They are doing just that.
In which case, they have lied repeatedly about being fair and wanting a deal. That should send alarm bells to every member state, apart from France and Germany of course. that the tail now wags the dog.
French intransigence and spite, German neurosis and the rest wondering whose going to make up the shortfall in member contributions for them.
Sure, playing a real blinder.
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19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:It's nice that you are concerned about the people in the EU.
Did you also think about the problems of the people in the UK?
Each country in the EU has still many other countries to trade with according to EU rules. The UK is alone.
Alone - I doubt for long! Both on trading and on leaving the EU.
Watch them leave when the gravy train derails and they have to actually start contributing rather than taking. The job creation scheme for non elected bureaucrats in an unwanted tier of political control won't last, it never does.
The EU was always doomed - too many seeing it as a freebies club.
Shame really because the original ideas and visions were wonderful.
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1 minute ago, polpott said:
You voted to remain in the EC in 1975 (we were already members). I voted to leave. Presumably you voted leave in 2016, I voted remain. You were lied to by the Tories on both occasions. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on me.
Lied to this time by a factional section within the Conservatives to be precise. A section that never expected, like Farage, to actually win. And have little clue what to do when they did.
Notice how quiet some of them are now.
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15 hours ago, worgeordie said:
Yes and the UK is taking exactly the same position....
regards worgeordie
It seems they are both using the same playbook - Negotiation Skills for Numpties!
And are too dumb to notice.
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3 hours ago, puipuitom said:
As the English so overwhelmingly voted for and confirmed by voting Boris Cummings again in Dec '19. Just a 31 days, and all from the UK is a "WTO-Third Country". Not only going inside the EU, but also a lot of countries the EU has agreements of. For instance: cars / lorries, whatever machines: when all components are over 90% of EU origin, it is imported there under the EU treaties for instance road building devices into Nigeria. UK outside the EU, and... no treaty, so the full WTO import duties.
I wish you good luck with your fish quota, you first sold to EU fishermen, and you now want to confiscate back. Do not forget the EU allowance numbers when you want to export your fish into the EU.
Curious who the Australians are going to trust ? The British, who betrayed them so much when they slipped into the EU in 1973 as the "Poor man of Europe"?
A few months ago the EU in the French port of Calais did a trial with the new software: just 70 seconds to verify the documents of the incoming lorries. Result: a 7 km traffic jam.
Your either being sarcastic or simply have little factual knowledge.
Maybe you should start by looking at which country has actually left the UK and how that decision was arrived at. Then you might research the history of France, and their sometimes rather colorful interpretation and implementation of EU rules, when it suits.
Poland and Hungary are looking likely to fester soon, as France tries to lay down the law for all member states hoping Germany doesn't mind!
Most countries are in the EU for what they can get out of it, not for the common good or what they can put in. Another failed experiment in human nature.
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4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
We've left.
Blame Johnson putting his personal ambitions ahead of what's best for the country and his ERG backers. If not for them this would have all been over at least a year ago.
According to UK Fisheries, who know more about this than you or I, the UK imports most of the fish we eat, and exports most of the fish we catch.
No doubt, even if tariffs make it more expensive. But will they buy ours when most of what we sell them can be sourced elsewhere or has, like the thousands of financial services jobs and £1 trillion worth of financial trade, already moved to the EU. Then there are the manufacturers warning they will probably have to leave the UK for the EU if there is no deal.
The level playing field works both ways.
Would you be happy if EU governments subsidised their exports to the UK in order to undercut UK companies and price them out of the market?
Or would you call that unfair tactics by the EU?
I suspect the latter.
We've left; and I'm sorry that we did. But the die is cast and we have to make the best of it.
Which means both sides using some give and take in the trade deal negotiations; which from various reports is happening more and more.
But many Brexiteers still want the impossible dream Vote.Leave promised them in 2016: the EU to do all the giving and the UK all the taking!
Actually the EU does subsidize poorer member states and funds the movement of businesses and jobs to those countries from wealthier states. It also, when considered appropriate, turns a blind eye to state subsidies from some of the supposed wealthier countries who dress up protection of certain industries.
This is usually brushed off with comments about bringing up the poorer countries to the wealth of the richer ones.
Check out who gets more out than they contribute; over years for a clearer picture. And who protects certain industries.
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13 hours ago, ardsong said:
so the hard border between Ireland and the province of UK , North Ireland, is not longer a point of discussion but rather a fact, be it with or without a deal; which could also block a trade agreement with the States of Biden.
Northern Ireland isn't a province
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1 hour ago, wombat said:
Is this where you keep voting untill you get the result you want?
Yes, and then immediately change the rules so it can never be changed back, regardless of what the people might want in the future!
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1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:
I wonder who will be wanting to be the "Queen" of the new country Scotland ?
No Queen, although the British Queen is half Scottish of course. A republic possibly?
And who would be "President for life"???? 555!
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1 hour ago, Surelynot said:Don't you just hate democracy....voters going around determining their own future.... should not be allowed.
....and for those who claim they have already had a referendum.....Brexit changed everything!
Only it's not really democracy when someone wants 4-5% of an electorate to decide a massively important issue is it?
No, Brexit changed nothing. More sophistry.
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1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:They could just hold a referendum and leave without asking the UK for permission. Same as the UK did with the EU. And since Boris established the precedent that he is fine with breaking international law and agreements, I’m sure he would be fine with it here as well.
Yet more false equivalence.
Do you understand the difference between what the EU actually is? And what its member states actually are?
Just like a few Catalonian politicians can't unilaterally decide to leave Spain; or Corsica France; or Wallonia Belgium; Sturgeon can't decide to leave the UK.
Johnson hasn't actually broken anything - yet. Another false comment.
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2 hours ago, pacovl46 said:Surely if the UK have the right to leave the EU then Scotland has the right to leave the United Kingdom! What goes around comes around and karma is a “beach!” ????
False equivalence.
The EU isn't a sovereign nation. It's membership is open to applications and leavings. It's still essentially a trading bloc that's moving closer to a federal/unified state. But all its members are sovereign states and can leave at any time.
The UK is a sovereign nation. Scotland is an integral part of that nation; its population are British and it is subject to the rule of law just like the rest of the UK.
No matter how much Ms. Sturgeon may huff and puff and talk herself up and up.
Johnson has his problems but he's right about this. He and his government decide, not chancer Sturgeon.
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On 11/27/2020 at 3:43 PM, robblok said:
Strange Brexiteers wanting freedom but not respecting the Scots to want the same. Double standards anyone ?
No it's not.
If you can't see the difference between the UK, a sovereign nation, whose people are British, and the EU, which isn't a nation, then you really need some education.
If you note, Brexit referendum was nation wide.
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2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:
We have established this already, vogie. Since at least 2014, the majority of Scots want independence from the UK. Now, the majority of people hailing from all areas but living in Scotland wants independance.
You can continue to live with your fingers in your ears, but facts are facts.
5555! Based on opinion polls.
I'd like no tax, 100% pension increases and a knighthood. Almost as realistic!
Dream on.
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4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:
You do realise that your vastly misplaced exceptionalism is shining brightly, don't you?
Scots want independence from the UK so it simply MUST be about England? It couldn't possibly be about Scots simply wanting Scots to be in charge of their affairs. No, because everything revolves round England, in your mind, it must be a reaction against England.
Here's the thing. England, like the rest of the UK, stopped being relevant on the international stage 70 years ago. Now, we want independence to make Scotland better. It has nothing to do with England or our feelings towards the English.
I am sorry that it hurts you to be so irrelevant but that's the facts of it.
Unfotunately, it's not about Scotland and England. And Wales and Northern Ireland which you seem to ignore.
It's about Scotland and the UK. Scotland is, like the others and integral part of the UK. Only the UK Parliament can change that. Whether they would wish to, take advice from the electorate in an advisory referendum or as part of an election manifesto is debatable.
The nationality of people in the UK is British. First and foremost.
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Just now, Surelynot said:
Interesting argument......how would that translate into the Brexit fiasco (I know you didn't vote for it)....should the EU have had a vote on the UK leaving (they may well have voted leave...55555)
Unfortunately no. The UK is a sovereign state and was a member of the EU. The EU isn't a sovereign state, or federal state. Although some would like it to be. As such any member can give notice to leave.
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1 minute ago, Surelynot said:
So true.....how quickly standards have changed (fallen) since I was a kid.
I remember, as an infant, how MP's, Bank Managers, accountants, lawyers, Councilors and Journalists & Broadcasters were all held in high esteem. Lapses in morals, behavior or being caught lying meant resigning and disgrace.
Now, all the standards seem to have gone.
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'On a knife edge': Britain and EU in last-ditch trade talks
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That's not the point. At no time have the citizens of Britain, or any EU member state been asked if they want "ever further unification, centralization and eventual federalization. An EU army, central budget, central courts etc etc.
Interestingly, at some point Ireland will have to change it's common law system to the codified system favored by the EU and France. Interesting to see how the Irish react to that.
Germany, on the other hand, has already rules that it's courts and constitutional law trump EU law and courts.
Poland and Hungary are being threatened with severe financial punishments for daring to want their laws to trump EU ones.
Hmmm. One big happy Union in which all member states are equal, apart from those that are more equal!