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1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:
Thanks for that.
As I suspected, it's a fishing trip to find out more information. My strongest suspicion is that visa extension fees and money in the bank will be increased before too long, I'm very surprised that hasn't happened before now. The other strong possibility is that they are gauging the ability of expats to adopt new types of visa such as the LTR. This is nothing to do with tax, I'm pretty certain of that.
I came away feeling it is just a survey, and not anything related to the immediate task of extension of stay renewal. Why the survey? It makes sense what you suggest this survey could be for.....
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Generally the extension expiration date is one year later than the current one.
Now there are, such as marriage extension, a one month period of "Under Consideration" which starts from the date of your current soon-to-expire extension, and ends 30 days later; and that is the date to return to the Imm Office to get your new extension of stay stamp in your passport. And that stamp will be one year from your just expired extension of stay stamp.
Note that, if your passport will be expiring before the end of any one full year period, your extension of stay expiration date will be the end date of your passport expiration.
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After signing a few pages of the routine docs supporting my application, I was escorted to a counter where an IO, with the form the agent showed me the day before at the agency's office in front of the IO, asked if I had any income beyond the money in the fixed account which she knew I was using for my financials...she said that it was for info only and no verification or sources of that income was being asked- just an estimated monthly amount. I gave the IO an amount purposely greater than the minimum monthly income requirement of 65K for those that use the monthly income method. The IO emphasized the information being requested was not mandatory for the extension and I could decline and assert no other income; she was prepared to delete what I had already told her.
In the end I saw this as no harm...the info is only info and is not auditable. The conversation was very polite and I felt comfortable.
I want to stress I was told I did not have to provide any info of income beyond the fix deposit if I wished.
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23 hours ago, rumak said:
I rarely get involved with the assorted issues people have at CM immig...... (as you can see it turns into a real circus. the comments. and everyone is "an expert" )
but...... here is my experience as of 2 months ago. I am on retirement extensions, and have fixed account which i leave untouched , for years now . NEVER an issue or question.....BUT THIS YEAR , even with an appointment, they wanted me to go first to the blank blank guy at the window at ground level . He looked at my papers , which are same as always , and then hits me with the Bull that i need to go to bank and get a record . Trying to talk to him was useless so i did not argue ....but i went upstairs and asked at info to speak to an "officer" . Talking to a "helper" will not work. An officer came over and in polite talk I said that i use a fixed account (showed my book, she sees my balance remains the same) and she told me i do not need any "other" info or form.
The next day when i went to my appointed time the attending officer , different than who i asked the day before, started to talk about the bank form ( no, not the letter we always have to bring about proof of funds) .... and once again i say it is not needed. The MAN who presided confirmed this and that was that . I even asked for the form the guy below had talked about and the presiding officer said "NOT NEEDED" . I left it at that.
note: i speak pretty good thai, do not raise my voice (but i might have shown a bit annoyance . very hard not to as the blood pressure raises haha) . Anyways ..... the guy on ground level seems to refuse to accept what i just relayed here concerning people using money in the bank method . (and probably many agents do not understand it either)
So your response is that you had no similar experience whatsoever as requested in my question.
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7 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:
Fair enough, I'm just saying maybe now is not the time to reveal you're working remotely and disclose income to immigration. CM does ask this for marriage extensions so best to keep it hidden as best as possible.
So you were asked during applying for your annual extension at CM Imm about details of your the monthly income- amount(s) & source(s) and you were using the 400K+ money in the bank method and not the monthly income method?
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6 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:
They asked me this also last year for a marriage extension (the first one) before I knew about the new tax laws and I told them everything. I kind of regret this now but I wouldn't be comfortable lying like that on the spot without a good answer. Technically you're now "working" illegally in the country so I don't know why they would ask this knowing what the labor laws are and that you're applying for a 12 month extension.
To whom are you addressing your “working illegally” comment?
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30 minutes ago, CMBob said:Although off topic from your original post, I question your assumption that "nothing is assessable." Presuming (as you later stated in another post) that you transfer funds from the US to Thailand, presuming you are a "tax resident" here (meaning you live here 180+ days a year), and presuming Thai authorities figure out a way to actually verify the amount of incoming funds and how to enforce their so-called new tax law, it may very well be that we foreigners may be taxed on all incoming funds unless we can prove that we are entirely or partially saved by various rules (general exemptions under Thai tax law, prohibitions provided by a given tax treaty, and/or an offset for taxes paid in our home countries).
Parsing what I wrote. My monthly income does not get transferred to Thailand. Period. Therefore it is not assessable.
What IS possibly assessable are monies from outside Thailand brought into Thailand effective 1 January 2024 onwards.
Suffice it to say any and all amounts I may bring in this year and onwards will not be taxable based on the US-Thailand DTA and/or represent income earned pre-2024.....
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Just now, BritManToo said:Tell them you have no income.
It's that easy.
No; I didn't post asking the community what should I do...read the original post and stick to the question or stop commenting
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1 minute ago, Mike Lister said:
You misunderstand....the Immi may be collecting data on monthly spend amounts by foreigners, so they can plan and cost new products and charges.
ok, thanks
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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:I'm betting the 'doctor kicker' wouldn't have had his extension cancelled if he's been on a marriage extension.
If you guys want to go off topic please start another thread and don't hijack mine...thank you
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2 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:
The assumption is that this "check" is about income tax, it might not be that at all. It might be about determining threshold levels of income needed for new visa plans, or about what the charges should really be for visa's. This may not have anything to do with tax whatsoever, which would be my guess.
I'm doing my annual extension of stay derivative from my entry into Thailand 12 years ago on a Non-Imm O-A Visa...doing the same annual extension of stay ever since the first year passed and what I am doing has nothing to do with any new visa plan.....
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14 minutes ago, CharlieH said:
Ok, well that may have pricked someone interest as you have on the surface, NO income or flow in the account.
Perhaps a suspicious mind wanted to know why.
Doesnt detract from the regulation for the fixed sum though. May be just a particular IO being enthusiastic.
I don't think so...I was not being singled out by CM Imm or by the AGENT, who said, CM Imm asks everyone for this info even if the applicant's financial compliance are not based on monthly income. I believe Mike's correct- the agent asked for my monthly income irrespective of what I am REQUIRED to provide. My wife and I have a joint savings account at Bangkok Bank- that's where monies from my US income is transferred to, when we need it...definitely not a monthly thing.....
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3 minutes ago, CharlieH said:
As they have bank statements in the submission process, and copies of your bank bank book, those monthly amounts etc can clearly be seen, why need to ask ? seems odd to me.
No. I use a Fix Deposit account. I put the lump sum of 400K+ in 5 years ago and leave it untouched...the only amounts shown and given to IMM are interest earnings and nothing to do with my monthly income paid within the US to my US bank
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3 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:
I doubt that theory holds much water, the man in the Amphur wanted to know how much I spend every month, when we got married, some people are just nosey or curious.
It's not curiosity when the agent pulls out a full page form that she says Imm fills out on the monthly income details their clients are asked to provide.....
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21 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:
I would not be at all surprised if this was the case, the only sensible way the Revenue has to enforce the new tax law is either via the banks or Immigration, Immi would be a natural bottle neck that will capture everyone and allow them to be checked.
My income does not get deposited in Thailand. So there is nothing assessable.
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25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
They would prefer well off individuals such as myself and you who have enough money we don't have to go the cheap marriage extension route.
Really? It is more efficient for us after doing it previous years based on retirement. Your ed is not welcome
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30 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:
CM Immi. iends to adopt new Immi. rules and processes ahead of other provinces, I've witnessed this several times in the past when they've asked for something such as a copy of your lease and others have laughed at the idea. IF they are now asking for proof of where the money comes from, watch it, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, not for one moment.
The agent's words were just to provide a rough estimate of the monthly pension and no proof needed whatsoever...my conspiracy theory is they're building a record for future taxation...
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BTW. I know IO's around Thailand have their own special needs and requirements. I am looking for any experiences as I have described solely with the CM IMM...Thanks...
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23 minutes ago, johng said:
Jomtien immigration has often asked me where my 400,000 baht comes from but have always excepted my reply without having to provide any proof.
This year they have specificly told me that there needs to be at least 400,000 in the account for the whole under review period.
As for photos, yes they want a photo at the front door with house number clearly shown, I also provide photos of us sitting on the bed,sofa and standing in the kitchen/living room.
This year 2 immigration officers wanted photos of us and them in our house again... a resumption of pre Covidiocy policy.
Our front door doesn't have the house number on it; the house number is on the mailbox on the outside of the perimeter wall; that photo we have and always use.......
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25 minutes ago, sirineou said:
I don't think this is true, because you are only required to have the 400k in the bank 2 or three months, I think it is 2 but I am not sure because I keep mine there year round.
Anyway , a monthly income would require a year long statement, and would prevent those who have been here less than a year from getting an extension,
It's 2 months before applying and must remain until you get past the "Under Consideration" period and get your passport stamped; after that it is totally available to withdraw. The agent even pulled out a form that Imm uses to record monthly financials as "proof" I would have to provide...I still declined to give it to her.
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In preparing our latest annual extension of stay based on marriage, we always submit evidence of 400K+ in the bank to meet the financial requirement. We never use the monthly income method. Now we were told, by an agent, that CM IM wants to also know your monthly income amount and sources. I declined to provide that to the agent and we will see tomorrow if an IO requires this info....never have we ever been asked about my monthly income given we use the 400K+ in the bank method.
Anyone ever been asked to provide monthly income when submitting the 400K+ in the bank method?
And another new one; in addition to photos of us in front of the house address and in the living room, now we were told we need two more photos- one in the kitchen and one standing outside the front door...anyone having similar demands?
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On 3/8/2024 at 2:55 PM, khunPer said:
In general when applying for non-O in Thailand after visa exempt entry, your funds needs to come from abroad, and they do not need to be seasoned.
Maturing of two month is needed when you apply for extension of stay (based on retirement).
A personal recommendation: As soon as you get you non-O, then move the 800k to a separate bank account – i.e. another bank account than used for transfers and daily transaction – so it clear that they have been seasoned and not under the limit. If you can afford it, make it it a 12-month fixed account and just leave the funds there for best interest, which you can withdraw once a year so you keep 800k baht clean in the account. That will make you sleep well – the funds are there – and not worrying about baht exchange rates and topping up from 400k to 800k in time.
Maturing of two month is needed when you apply for extension of stay for either retirement or marriage
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On 3/3/2024 at 11:23 AM, South said:
1. ONE completed TM7 - 2 pictures.
2. Proof of funds. 400K for I think it has to be in your bank for 2 months before and a month after your application or something like that. Bank Letter + Bank Book. The bank letter/book must be updated the SAME DAY AS THE APPLICATION. Some offices like to see a transaction on the day too.
3. Photos of you and your wife around the house. One with you outside clearly showing the House Number and 2 inside the house.
4. Marriage certificate and updated Kor Ror 2
5. Wife’s ID and House Book
6. Driver’s License (photocopied)
7. Map to your residence.
8. Passport and departure card (photocopied)
9. House book/Copy of rental agreement or lease
I do my marriage extension in the Chiang Mai Immigration Office, and note some of what you list is not universal or required; please note:
2. 400K two months prior to applying for the extension and must remain deposited until you receive your updated extension of stay stamp in your passport; then it may be withdrawn. Bank Letter and Bank book must of course match and is acceptable in Chiang Mai to be obtained up to 7 days prior to submittal of the extension request to the IO. Note I use a fixed deposit account and NEVER have to do a transaction on the day I obtain the letter/bank book update.
3. If you were married outside of Thailand you can present a KorRor 22, & not a KorRor 2.
6. I've never been asked to include a DL in a request for extension.
8. Departure card no longer required.
In addition, in Chiang Mai you must submit a TM30 and your latest TM47 (90 day report receipt).
Best advice I can give to all is to go well in advance of your extension expiration and ASK the IO for a list of THEIR requirements....you don't want to make any mis-steps which could lead to rejection of your extension....
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On 3/3/2024 at 11:03 AM, brianthainess said:
So if you are Divorced but your ex is willing to lie, then you still get the marriage extension.
That is why many IO want a new KOR 2 every year, to Prove you are still married, and at my IO it has to be dated same day.
I do not have a KorRor 2 as we were married outside of Thailand. I have a KorRor 22 and CM Immigration only requires a photocopy and not a "new" one from the Amphur
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Unkown speeding ticket.
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Beg to differ. I've driven many times CM to BKK and saw many signs reducing the speed limit from 120 to 90 at U-Turns...these reduced speed signs are almost right at the U-Turn giving you no time to slow down before you pass the U-Turn...I just watch for these U-turns and slow accordingly