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I started this thread before but didn't really get a proper answer.
Well it turns out it occurs in thailand but not in my home country singapore.
So far i have plugged my lappy a macbook pro into 2 power outlets of 2 rather high classed hotels in thailand bkk and felt a mild electric current/hum.
I searched this on the net and it mentioned 3 prong doesn't cause this to occur and as you know thailand only has 2 prong outlets but my lappy's charger has 3 cos i purchased it from singapore. I use an adpater to power it up obviously but seems like this doesn't work.
Anyway i asked here last time and other posters mentioned they felt the same thing and it's just the way thailand is cos it seems many buildings didn't ground their electrical sockets or something like that due to shoddy construction or a hackcare attitude.
Just want to know is this true? The US also has 2 prong outlets but are their electric systems properly grounded?
If you feel an electric charge on your laptop or appliance it isn't the appliance's fault but rather the electrical source's fault right?
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My world?
Yup from your place the west.
The same exact same thing you would say to any thai person you met anywhere. You meet a person of thai ancestry in europe for example you would say muay thai comes from his world.
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I wasted two minutes of my life reading the OP, wouldn't even think about wasting any more time buying the book, sounds like a coffee table ornament.
It's a best seller in the west from your world. The ppl that created the idea are not from thailand and the ppl that made is a bestseller are not from thailand. So care to explain this?
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I think this has absolutely nothing to do with Thailand.
Oh yes it does. How the enlightened western world that mocks 3rd world countries like thailand for their superstition for and other silly nonsense actually make a best seller out of a book/idea that seems based on supernatural nonsense unless you can explain to me that the secret works and that if someone thoughyt happy thoughts while in a traffic jam the jam would clear up.
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Spiritually justified greed perhaps?
Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app
Why greed?
I mean honestly speaking they were talking about a traffic jam, If you thought happy thoughts when you're in a traffic ja the jam would suddnenly clear up that's good and it doesn't make you richer but much happier and mind you this book is a best seller in the western world. That is if it's a best seller in the USA rest assured australia will get to hear of it. That is why you had aussie or UK hosts reenacting mockery scenes of it.
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Book came out in 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_%28book%29
Has its own website and it a bestseller
It also has a list of detractors and had a few talk show hosts mocking it.
Anyway here is the premise of how it works. You think positive thoughts and it really affects you in the real world and not in terms of how you behave but in terms of how other people, events react towards you.
They show a few examples. Like there is this guy really pissed off and angry because he is stuck in a traffic jam the angrier he is the worse the jam becomes. The secret says that it is because he keeps on thinking angry thoughts about being stuck in the jam that is why his thoughts somehow reinforce his situation. That is if he had thought happy thoughts instead he wouldn't be stuck in the jam.
They give another example of some aspiring stand up comic that is gay and how when he was thinking negative thoughts he was bullied by his co workers and booed when he did his stand up. when he got hold of the secret and thought positive thoughts the situation changed for him. His co workers stopped bullying him out of the blue not that he maned up and started to fight them. Ppl started to cheer him when he did his stand up etc. It teaches that if you think positive thoughts somehow the world around you reacts to you and responds accordingly and sounds like something out of an x-man comic book. You see how it doesn't make sense at all. Let's say you think happy thoughts despite being in a traffic jam your brain waves send out happy signals and the traffic jam clears out around you. How do you start an experiment to scientifically explain this? It's impossible.
The question here is how did such a book become a best seller in 2006 in the enlightened west? You can actually change the world with your thoughts?
Are you professor X from the x-men? How is this even possible at all? If that was the case i could simply think hateful thoughts of someone i disliked and just simply kill him/her with it.
Think about this. The book becomes a best seller in 2006 in the west where science and logical thoughts reign supreme based on supernatural beliefs that the human mind is able to change the physical situation around it just simply based on thoughts?
If you want to put a thai angle into this the book would simply have added in praying to the elephant headed god.
I am just curious guys why did such a book become a best seller in the modern era in the year 2006 in the west?
You mock other nations and cultures for being primitive and supersititious especially those not from the western world and yet you let something like the secret become a best seller?
Or maybe it is real? What do you think?
If you thought hard enough your physical world changes.
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Yes, it does have to connect. A one-second call should not cost you too much, even from overseas where roaming charges will of course apply.
Or get some friend in Thailand to buy you a 50B top-up at 7/11. I doubt that any third-party top-up would be valid.
3rd party top ups work but they often charge very very expensive prices. Like it costs 4.99 USD to top up 100bht for thaiprepaid.com and that is overpriced.
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It's from Portugese sabão. The English word soap and the Portugese sabão are probably also related via the latin word sebum which means fat.
Correct. It came to Khmer from Portuguese as well. The Portuguese (oftentimes mercenaries and "adventurers," not officially the government) had a long and colorful involvement in the affairs of Southeast Asia (including Thailand and Cambodia) stretching back to at least the 15th Century...
Interesting and it's funny how come i can never find this on the net. Like ppl will say the hokkien word is sap bun for soap and say it's a malay word and that's it but i always knew malay couldn't have created that word and spread it to thailand. If you check malaysia never had any powerful empires and they could not beat the siamese one.
what is the khmer word for soap?
What did the portugese do in south east asia fthat involved thailand and malaysia?
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สบู่ is soap and pronounced sa bu. In sg it's called sap bun and from a malay word but malay language isn't old and malay borrowed many words so it doesn't seem likely that thai borrowed it from malay or vice versa so did it originate from somewhere else?
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Mea Culpa. Hokkien and Teochew aren't derived from Middle Chinese. They're derived from Min, which in turn is derived from Ancient Chinese. (Mandarin, Wu, Xiang, Hakka, Cantonese and others are derived from Middle Chinese.)
The common ancestor between Hokkien and Thai numbers is therefore is Ancient Chinese, not Middle Chinese.
In other words, for Thai the (simplified) inheritance runs
Ancient Chinese -> Middle Chinese -> Thai
And for Hokkien it's
Ancient Chinese -> Min -> Min Nan -> Hokkien
The similarity in numbers is explained by the common inheritance, rather than a direct transfer from a modern language.
Firstly i never ever stated that thai came from hokkien. I just pointed out there were some similarities in them. middle chinese doesn't mean anything it's just like saying middle european.
So min and teochew came from anicent chinese and not middle chinese? That means they are more closely related to the true original chinese and yes in that dialect they call chinese as teng nan or tang ppl rather than the han and the tang dynasty existed before the han.
I noticed that the thai word for soap sa bu is the same as hokkien in singapore but singapore hokkien borrowed that word sap bun from malay. I wondered if thai borrowed it from malay.
Sofa kao ee is also the same in thai. We also have kway tiao.
Kai is chicken same as cantonese.
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Mandarin Oriental.
If you want Chao praya.
Not cheap though.
Sukhumvit.
The Landmark.
Very reasonable.
Wow mandarin is really expensive. Chatrium is better but it seems that that region of bkk meaning the stretch of road along the chao praya where all the majori hotels and attractions are right up til central world and asok bts station are always crowded.
I have decided that the best way would be to stay at a hotel in that area for a number of days and then change to something else lebua sounds good even though it's not that far away and not that cheap either.
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Assuming that it is a TrueH SIM like mine (one of the new ones) then all you need to do is to make one outgoing call (or send an SMS) to add two months to the validity of your credit balance.
Or you can buy a small top-up at 7-11 etc.
The old non-H ones were valid for 365 days without making any calls and a top-up would extend that for 365 more days.
I am not in thailand at the moment so u know if i make a phone call or an sms these are going to be roaming charges i only have 100bht inside my number and top up services like prepaidthai.com for example charge so much money to top up. Unless someone has a top up service that isn't so expensive.
Btw does the outgoing call have to connect?
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I think you will get better responses compared to asking in the bangkok forum cos more ppl are in this forum.
I would love to stay near the chao priya river area near silom/sathorn area where lebua is but i am afraid of traffic and the chao priya river region although close to central bkk isn't that close so taxis/bts/mrts are still neccessary.
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My true move sim expires on the 29th of this month. I previously had someone pm me offering me to extend my sim number for me i think by adding in some money but nothing happened at all after i gave him my number.
What do u need to do to extend it?
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The common ancestor here is Middle Chinese
1 - not borrowed
2 - nzi
3 - sam
4 - si
5 - Å‹agx
6 - ljuk
7 - tshjet
8 - pat
9 - kjəu
10 - zjep
Also borrowed are
100 - ljwi (meaning to bind or string together)
1000 - buan (meaning to coil up)
As discussed elsewhere in this forum Middle Chinese is also at the root of Thai's tonal system.
Could you be more specific what do you mean by middle chinese?
There are a huge number of southern chinese dialects like cantonese, teochew, hokkien and so on and suffice to say they were all in existence during the time of middle china so there isn't a specific dialect called "middle chinese"
Your numbering system there kind of looks like some mixture of teochew/hokkien hybrid.
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PATTAYA: -- The Thailand Prime Minister female clone of Thaksin Shinawatra, Yingluck Shinawatra, visited Pattaya on Tuesday to
oversee the ongoing investigation into the recent Pattaya Ferry Disaster which saw 6 people die and over 100 injured, 15 seriously.Thousands die in the South and she goes flying around the world on shopping trips seeking photo ops.
She couldn't oversee making a cup of instant coffee.
Come to think of it this is funny. Seriously what would her presence there in "overseeing" the rescue operation aid in any way?
She probably doesn't have a clue in rescue operation and procedures obviously so she couldn't organize the various teams in the operation at all.
They should have written she was there to show support and sympathy.
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My gf is Korean. Stick that in your half Thai Chinese pipe and smoke it.
eeeew korean or are we now playing the asian hierachy thing? It's always like this how like the japanese are somehow the best then the koreans and then the chinese and then the other asians.
Are you implying that your gf is somehow a better catch simply cos she is korean? Mind you many koreans look very plain with extremely oriental features they have the smallest eyes for example and the flattest and widest faces.
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Chinese ppl have done very well in SEA. The only way to have a "level playing field" is by outright discrmination or racism like in thailand, malaysia and indonesia in which surprisingly to farang like you find that it's ok but if that sort of laws were introduced towards farangs like yourself like changing of your surname or not being able to celebrate your customs or festivals oh you would be bawling to the skies calling the thais worse than the KKK etc but that is what the chinese had to endure and they don't bawl even 10% of what farangs do.
Ok well, your first point is wasted on me.
As a Brit of Caribbean parentage, I've encountered more discrimination and bigotry than most on here . . . and I ain't talking about the dual pricing <deleted> that so many of the saps bang on about either.
As to your second point, of course the Chinese aren't bawling now - they run the joint, don't they? When they first got here though, I'd imagine they bitched a lot more than farangs do but, obviously, they had good reason, right?
You're just assuming the chinese at that time bitched but you don't have the evidence. The fact of the matter is they managed to overcome everything and now run the joint. Do you think the thais just let them run the joint? Of course not. They overcome everything and run the joint thru sheer hardwork and shrewdness. They deserve respect not contempt cos if they weren't chinese but farang you would be praising them to the skies but display bigotry to them cos they are chinese.
Speaking of the carribean i have a love of jamaica and all so i do know quite a bit of the carribean so care to give examples of discrimination?
The carribean is a region and consists of many island nations and each island nation is different from one another. Take a majority african descent country like jamaica. The ruling elite of jamaica aren't black but white. Like edward seaga. He isn't black but white but still ruled jamaica. Cuba is majority white and i believe in cuban society blacks are below whites. Unless you come from haiti but i doubt it cos they are so poor. Which carribean nation did you come from to experience discrimination that is pretty bad according to you.
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Yup as usual we can expect some farang to feel perfectly fine for chinese to be discrimnated in SEA countries and feel that somehow they don't deserve their success despite overcoming the odds.
Let's take a look at thaksin's wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra
Thaksin's great-grandfather, Seng Sae Khu, was an immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong, China, who arrived in Siam in the 1860s and settled in Chiang Mai in 1908. His eldest son, Chiang Sae Khu, was born in Chanthaburi in 1890 and married a Thai woman named Saeng Somna. Chiang's eldest son, Sak, adopted the Thai surname Shinawatra ("routinely appropriate action") in 1938 because of the country's anti-Chinese movement, and the rest of the family also adopted it.[4]
So thaksin like many thai chinese adopted a thai type of name so his family changed his last name from khu to shinawatra.
To you guys oh that's fine. Yes some chinese had to change their last name no big deal but suppose some farangs had to change their last name. So the robinson family had to thaify their last name from robinson to maybe rachinawatra. Now see the difference the outburst the complaints of racism etc etc.
Despite all of that thaksin's family like many thai chinese managed to overcome all of that and dominate the economic and political climate of thailand and other SEA nations and they complained less than the farangs of course.
Imagine if the farangs had to change their last name to some thai name in thailand just like thaksin and other thai chinese families. Oh no the outburst and the bitching would be endless.
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But if brains were dynamite, many of the TV posters couldn't blow the wax out of their ears.
The only thing that this perception among some TV members about the Thai-Chinese being "superior" in some way demonstrates is that the media and power structure brainwashing that's been used to such great effect on the indigenous Thais also happens to work a treat on the most gullible, suggestible mugs from Farangland too.
At least the indigenous Thais have hopelessly inadequate, third world educational standards to blame for their malleability.
Chinese ppl have done very well in SEA. The only way to have a "level playing field" is by outright discrmination or racism like in thailand, malaysia and indonesia in which surprisingly to farang like you find that it's ok but if that sort of laws were introduced towards farangs like yourself like changing of your surname or not being able to celebrate your customs or festivals oh you would be bawling to the skies calling the thais worse than the KKK etc but that is what the chinese had to endure and they don't bawl even 10% of what farangs do.
Her descendants are likely directly related by a pure blood line back to china. if I as a farang, live in Thailand, marry a farang woman, and have a kid does that make the kids farang Thai, or just farang?
You missed the point: is she Han Chinese-Thai OR southern Chinese (I.e Tai, or Dai) Thai, in which case she would be pure Thai.Thai Chinese is mixed race....
Oh lordy...
Focus!
It's just that the Thai Chinese have a Thai passport, but the vast majority of them intermarry with other thai Chinese families. The majority of Chinese families came from Guangzhou and other provinces.
Just ask her where her grandparents were born. they are Chinese people who happen to have Thai passports. Maybe I will move to China and marry a foreigner in China and make sure my kids only marry other kids born of farangs in China.
I wonder if the Chinese would accept them as Chinese.
Nope you have to look like chinese to be considered chinese. It doesn't just apply to chinese. A child of mixed parentage asian/white wouldn't be considered pure white in europe and in case you're again as usual lamenting on the supposed double standards as in how come chinese families in thailand can somehow be "racially pure" chinese marrying with other chinese thais while somehow you cannot well that's cos china and thailand are so close together and chinese and thais are more closely related compared to farangs. What if some chinese person was complaining of say the jews in europe could marry one another and still be jews racially while they couldn't?
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So according to many TV posters here the thai chinese are of a superior breed compared to the native thais. Well if that is the case then a pure bred native chinese from china itself would be even more superior compared to a half breed thai chinese wouldn't it?
Now this really starts to get tricky cos you know that's not how they think like. This again brings back the topic of racism which is the inherent thought of racial superiority of one race of ppl just for being from that race. Who knows maybe the OP has thoughts of nazism in him.
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Religion's purpose:
1. To offer solace, guidance and help to those in need
2. To offer a moral framework for those who can't figure out basic right from wrong
3. To offer a community for like-minded people who share values, aspirations etc
Spirituality is often contrasted with religion:
1. Path of personal transformation ie gaining wisdom, compassion, higher consciousness...
2. Expanding the bubble/box of awareness and deepen respect for life - actually, it's awe and amazement...
3. Train and purify the mind of the hatred, anger, contempt, fear and the private hell one has created
Buddhism:
1. Meditation is the preferred practice and most direct means
2. Ordinary folk and householders can't dedicate the time so acts of kindness, generosity, respect for living things is effective
3. Also, attuning one's mind to Buddha consciousness through ritual, devotion, contemplation in the temple is very beneficial
Usefulness:
When people practice their religion with an open heart and sincerely, the world is a little more peaceful and less crazy. Just in America over a third of the population suffers from a mental disorder.
When things go wrong:
Organizations (even large ones) are vulnerable to the temptation to become cults, closed systems. A cult when it becomes authoritarian, autocratic and without checks and balances is a very dangerous animal...
When governments hijack a religion, it becomes a political entity often more concerned with money, power, influence etc
Some people fail and others succeed in their efforts - always a few bad apples...
You mentioned this
Religion's purpose:
1. To offer solace, guidance and help to those in need
2. To offer a moral framework for those who can't figure out basic right from wrong
3. To offer a community for like-minded people who share values, aspirations etc
yet why does it seem that farang are abandoning their religion. They don't need solace or guidance anymore? They don't need a community anymore?
Usefulness:
When people practice their religion with an open heart and sincerely, the world is a little more peaceful and less crazy. Just in America over a third of the population suffers from a mental disorder.
Ok a 3rd of the US suffers from some type of disorder but are those the religious nuts or the ones with no religion?
Here's something else i noticed.
In the US and the west there are these well ppl that are really anti religion and of course they vehemently oppose the religion of the west the most which is christianity and of course indirectly all religions but they truly hate christianity they think it's all hogwash.
Yet in asia i believe they have such people these ppl still retain respect for thai religion regardless if its animism, buddhism or the chinese or the hindu elements.
You see what i mean. In the US you have guys like bill mahar who ridicules christianity as some idiot on a cross yet you would never ever see a thai person go on tv and ridicule the elephant headed god even though there should be thais that think it's just plain silly superstituous nonsense.
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Religion is a personal matter...no one has the inside scoop as to which one is number one...the Holy Grail of Religions...although the Christian, Muslim, and Mormons would argue this point...all thinking they are favored by God...more than the others...
If religion works for you...good...if it does not...try not to judge the ones who receive some inner peace in praying to and worshipping another entity...it is quite popular for those professing no religious affiliation...to worship oneself these days...
It appears to me that the Thais use mantra meditation...praying to different size images of Buddha...animal figures...trees...and so on...are asking for blessing for their families and themselves...for future prosperity...a good life...good health...and happiness...I believe they are sincere...
"judge not...that ye be not judged"..."pray without ceasing"...
It's true that religion is a personal thing for everyone but what is rather curious to me is why does thai religion still have some sort of stranglehold or rather a hold unto the thai people. I think i am correct when i can safely say that there are more thai ppl that visit the temples and say their prayers compared to the western ppl some of who have totally given it up. Was there some sort of brain washing when thai kids were growing up?
Snake, have you ever been in a Thai school.. What are the the tenets of the Thai nation? It is woven into this society that to be really Thai, one has to be Buddhist. Anything else makes you a kaek.
Definitely not. I'm not a thai why would i study in a thai school. Growing up in my home country we did have thai students in my school. Must be tough for them adjusting and learning and speaking english all the time.
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Just about everyone in Asia is religious/superstitious. One one hand it's childish nonsense, but on the other it's part of the culture that attracts us to the place in the first place.
Oh puleeze, Just about everywhere in Europe & Latin America suffer from the same problems, how many are attracted to these places to practice worshipping to dead people, buying scallop shells to put on their chest to prove they made a pilgramage to some place that contained "sacred relics", dont want to be placed in "purgatory" (can you please provide a reference in any bible that mentions the place).
You want to see sickos, head to the Philipines, where the devout get themselves nailed to a cross, notice how their church has never condemned the practice.
Its cheap pussy that attracts some of these 400 lbs misogynists, love it when they come to these forums and complain about some girl with no more than a P4 education ripping them off.
Nice. Another one that doesn't suffer from the one sided view and agrees that superstituous and religious nonsense is also apparent in other regions of the world.
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The secret a popular book from the west based on superstition/supernatural stuff?
in ASEAN NOW Community Pub
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I wonder if you feel any sense of irony when you wrote that and when you write stuff on thai ppl like they are superstitious, they are like this or that etc. Apparently it doesn't apply to everyone cos if it's say a thai person he's some poorly educated superstitious hick and that is his world.