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As far as auto insurance I understand Thaskin told the insurers to pay up if they want to continue doing biz in Thailand. My neighbors new truck is being covered.
That's what happened after hurrican Andrew caused 25 billion in damage in Florida. Prudential, Allstate, State Farm etc all bailed. The then governor essentially issued a warning that if they bailed then they couldn't do any kind of insurance business in Fla. Well palms were greased, claims eventually were paid in some cases taking 2 years and our premiums tripled and quadrupled.
Now we had 4 in a row with one as big as Andrew. Can't wait to see what the renewal premium is next year.
So it goes
Mr Vietnam
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..............Interesting discussion since the insurance company would have to prove there is a God in order for it to be an "Act of God"...........
do policies actually specify "act of god" these days or do they say something like " natural disaster"and go on to list things like flood,storm,earthquake etc.??
When you are chairman of the board of an insurance company you can call it whatever you like.
Mr Vietnam
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Mr. Vietnam, you are making a fool of yourself by stereotyping and pidgeonholing others.
Countries often have "the best government money can buy", but go and talk to the people and they'll tell you that they often choose between the lessers of two selections in voting.
In my experience, the best people will be found in the Red Cross and Red Crescent society, private NGOs like CARE, the Peace Corps (who are often passed over for beltway bandits...), and the like.
Having worked for charitable organizations, it's striking that the largest *numbers* of donors have been people at the middle and lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum (though the largest donations by a select few sometimes dwarf others).
Anyway, it is easier to criticize others than to come up with a creative solution yourself.
I suggest you become part of the solution, like ThaiVisa.com , the many people here posting useful information, OneThailand.com , and others you can see on the web.
The difference is a spirit of love & working together vs. a spirit of hate and the politics of division. Suggested New Years Resolution.
Hahahaha, spirit of love and working together after attacking me personally and attacking America?
Don't make me laugh.
Mr Vietnam
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Why We Need Politics
The tsunami's sorrows will need more than pity.
BY DANIEL HENNINGER
Friday, December 31, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST
Wall Street Journal
A very long time ago, before what we would call modern civilization, people ravaged by the sea, as in South Asia on Christmas Day, blamed it on the gods. The god of the sea, their poets might write, had lifted the water with his hands to rage at some mortal slight, and shaken it, like a quilt across a bed.
But these are not ancient times, and the anger of unseen deities is not available as explanation or cold comfort. We know for a fact that these deaths in South Asia were caused by the violent movement of tectonic plates--dumb, unfeeling nature precisely measurable at 9.0--and by the failure of men to put in place for these coastal nations technologies that announce the onset of tsunamis.
Because the gods didn't do this, the sense of loss is total.
Religious belief, for those whose belief includes an afterlife, is a kind of comfort that even unbelievers would be loath to deny the survivors of this tsunami. Not long ago people would offer solace by saying of the dead that he or she "is in a better place." I haven't read or heard much religious sentiment expressed in public about what has happened to the peoples around the Indian Ocean or the Arabian Sea.
For better or worse, the way we in the West experience the public world now, on television or in print, is exclusively secular. Most of the time when media bring terrible events close, but not close enough to touch, it may seem that the sidelining of religious belief doesn't matter much. But 2004 has been a tough year to absorb, especially because when bad things happen, modern technology lets us see it--a lot of it.
In 2004, we've sat in our living rooms and watched it all: hurricanes raging serially across Florida, bodies blown up unto banality or throats cut by Iraq's nihilistic gangs. And we witnessed Darfur, a genocide whose deaths ooze day after day, now reaching about 50,000.
In a world of extreme images, what happens when we are asked to go to the wells of empathy so often? Two weeks ago, Scott Peterson; last week, the Mosul mess-hall bombing; this week, South Asia wiped out. Time was, we'd watch the scenes coming out of Asia "in horror." Now, I think, we mostly just watch.
Atop its front page this week, the New York Times (whose reporters have covered the tsunami well) printed a 7-by-10-inch color photograph of Indian children lying dead, two of them naked babies. In our age, I guess, this means that even the abject indignity of a bad death must be seen, shared, by all.
With access to large amounts of professional and amateur camcorder footage, television has become addicted to providing similar images--one after an awful other of onrushing water, helpless people screaming and drowning in their ruined lands. The daily death-toll meter ticked upward through the week--25,000, 35,000, 77,000, 114,000.
It is odd the way television, omnipresent and essential, both enlivens our response to these event and then drives us from them. Recall how here people stopped watching images of the burning, collapsing World Trade Center towers. I think if one experiences enough human tragedy by watching it on a screen, a TV or PC, tragedy starts to look like a show. Rather than real, life becomes "realistic," moving us where we don't want to go, close to the experience of a video game.
Modern television news provides little context to its data and images. Print--old-fashioned, line-by-line reading--particularly in the best newspapers, has provided the most help in comprehending this incomprehensible event.
Television's round-the-clock feeds of raw images, such as we are seeing now from Thailand, India and Sri Lanka, are known in some circles as "data passing." In daily life or as now amid catastrophic disaster, technology pushes large amounts of information at us--data--that we don't have time to process and that we don't altogether comprehend. Who has time to think much about the images hop-scotching around Sri Lanka, India or Malaysia when there's more drama on the way, and more after that? The visual of shattered villages and broken families enthralls the eyes, but the emotions, like a pinball machine banged too hard, finally "tilt" and stop.
This is not a neutral phenomenon. The world's leading expert on how emotional, data-passed news can obliterate important context is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. His homicidal bombings can't kill Iraq's 25 million people, but he knows that images and tales of sudden death will suppress calmer, constructive portrayals of Baghdad's five million people restoring their lives to normalcy.
Here's some context for 2004: The number of human beings who died of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa was about two million. The number of people who died of bad water and bad sanitation was more than two million. These deaths broke families and even whole communities with a force as hard as that in Sumatra this week. What is the answer?
The simple and obvious answer sits inside this final piece of disaster data: The Red Cross estimates that for the past 10 years when a natural disaster occurred in a developing country, the number of people killed was 589; but in what the Red Cross calls a country of "high human development" it was 51. That's 11 to 1. (Also, there's no full-time throat-slitting in countries of "high human development.")
The answer is to compress this ratio. We won't do that with aid, important as that is right now. We will never do it with the United Nations. The way we move the world's most vulnerable people away from the high risks of 11 and toward the relative safety of 1 is with the meat and potatoes of politics.
I may believe that liberal market economics joined to repeatable free elections is the way to a safer, more prosperous life for the Sri Lankas and Iraqs of the world. But belief alone never turned rocks into silver, even when all the world believed Poseidon caused earthquakes. Political work is the means the civilized world has for replacing men and ideas that are dumb or dangerous with something better. In the aftermath of 2004's too-numerous unnatural deaths, the only resolution possible is to re-enter the arena of politics and fight the good, slow fight. It's all we've got, and it is enough.
Mr. Henninger is deputy editor of The Wall Street Journal's editorial page. His column appears Fridays in the Journal and on OpinionJournal.com.
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Oh my, hope this doesn't become reality.
Mr Vietnam
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Want to try estimating the costs of the mobilization of a carrier group etc in addition to this?
Carrier task force?? Are they planning an invasion?
I dare say this face saving measure is all in response to being called on the carpet for the puny initial contribution. It needn't have taken 5 days for the "American assessment teams on the ground" to realize the extent of devastation.
Obviously it's way beyond your scope of dislike for us.
Frankly it's no loss. But tell ya what? Next time you have the privilege of meeting an American, go ahead and tell him all about how you "feel" to his face.
Don't worry, the end result won't be what you think.
If it's a typical American, he'll probably just laugh at you.
As people like you really are pathetic and laughable.
Mr Vietnam
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Will insurance pay on this?
Please, how naive can you be? Most insurers will simply leave and that will be that.
Mr Vietnam
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Yeh, we're really evil.
Get a life and don't forget to pay Spain back it's "loan".
Mr Vietnam
White House - AP Cabinet & State
U.S. Boosts Tsunami Aid Tenfold to $350M
1 hour, 30 minutes ago White House - AP Cabinet & State
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
CRAWFORD, Texas - The United States is pledging $350 million to help tsunami victims, a tenfold increase over its first wave of aid, President Bush (news - web sites) announced Friday.
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Special Coverage
"Initial findings of American assessment teams on the ground indicate that the need for financial and other assistance will steadily increase in the days and weeks ahead," Bush said Friday in a statement released in Crawford, Texas, where he is staying at his ranch.
"Our contributions will continue to be revised as the full effects of this terrible tragedy become clearer," he said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by this epic disaster."
Bush also is sending Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) to Indian Ocean coastal areas ravaged by earthquake and tsunami to assess what more the United States needs to do. The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, will travel with him.
The newly announced aid came after some critics claimed that the initial U.S. contribution of $35 million was meager considering the vast wealth of the nation.
France has promised $57 million, Britain has pledged $95 million, Sweden is sending $75.5 million and Spain is offering $68 million, although that pledge is partly in loans.
Powell was traveling to New York on Friday to discuss the crisis with U. N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites).
Bush said disaster response officials are on the ground and the United States has established a support center in Thailand that is in operation. More than 20 patrol and cargo aircraft have been made available to assess the disaster and deliver relief supplies, he said.
"Many of those aircraft are on the scene," Bush said.
The president said the United States has dispatched the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, a maritime squadron from Guam and an amphibious ship carrying a Marine expeditionary unit. "They will soon be in position to support relief efforts to include the generation of clean water," he said.
On Friday, the president spoke by phone with British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin about the relief and recovery efforts and was briefed by Powell and National Security Council officials on the efforts under way.
White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy, who read the president's statement to reporters on the phone, did not disclose details of where the additional U.S. aid was being found in government coffers. He said, however, that the administration was talking with congressional officials about replenishing funds being used to back the tsunami aid pledge.
The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who has experience with extensive hurricane damage in Florida, will travel with Powell overseas. A congressional delegation headed by Rep. Jim Leach (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa, a former U.S. foreign service officer, is scheduled to visit Thailand and Sri Lanka next week.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who often travels to blighted areas, said Thursday he plans to visit India to try to help victims of tsunamis that have left millions of people at risk of disease.
"I feel like I've been hit in the stomach," Frist, R-Tenn., said in an e-mail to friends and supporters. "It is like 9/11 but so different. There is no one to blame."
Andrew Natsios, chief of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said his staff arrived in the stricken areas on Monday, and he stressed the importance of assessing needs and organizing.
"This is a very complex operation," Natsios said Friday on CBS' "The Early Show." "If it's not managed properly, we can actually slow down the relief effort."
Canada was added Friday to a coalition of countries and organizations planning relief efforts. Others are the United Nations (news - web sites), the United States, Japan, India and Australia.
The U.S. death toll rose to 15, with eight dead in Thailand and seven in Sri Lanka. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said some 600 Americans who were listed as missing have been found, but several thousand had not been located four days after the disaster struck.
In Sri Lanka, Boucher said, Americans have been showing up at U.S. consular offices wearing bathing suits, with no money and no clothes.
With the global death toll continuing to rise, European governments discussed holding an international donors conference Jan. 7.
Boucher said the United States would participate in any such gathering, but he did not give details.
Want to try estimating the costs of the mobilization of a carrier group etc in addition to this?
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Give it some time. You haven't seen anything yet unfortunately. Wait till the "rebuilding" starts.
Mr Vietnam
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The Thai government are lying dogs, with Toxin being the chief dog.IA
All governments are lying dogs.
Mr Vietnam
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Mr Vietnam, I am surprized you have not sugested an abortion
I would be equally surprised if you were able to feed and cloth yourself without relying on handouts.
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Whew, never ceases to amaze me.
Mr Vietnam
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. We have talked about getting married and having children for quite some time now. We just got the order a bit screwed up
I'm currently living and working in the U.S. I have insurance that would cover her for any medical care in the States once we are legally married. Would this have any weight in the matter? Should I consult an immigration attorney? It's not a total disaster if this does not come through as she has a wonderful, large, supportive (albeit quite poor) family that can help her spiritually and emotionally throught the next 8 months if she must remain in Thailand. For the health of the child, though, we'd prefer her to deliver in the U.S.
Thanks.
Glad that at least she has family to help out. Doesn't say much about you now does it.
Too bad you can't just point and click on this huh?
Mr Vietnam
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This type of situation generally annoys Consular officials.
I don't blame them.
Mr Vietnam
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Drudge is now repoting 60,000 deaths and that many more could die because of disease in coming days, weeks, months.
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Heard on the news just 30 minutes ago that more than 18,000 people still unaccounted for in Sri Lanka and the ambassador from that land expects death count to increase considerably.
Incredible
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If anyone knows of a person or persons/groups who are personally bringing aid to the people and are as such looking for donations please let me know and I'll advertise them on my websites and Vietnam forum.
I'll also mention it on the various forums I take part in to help get word out.
We raised over $25,000 in direct aid to help storm victims here in Florida despite being victimized ourselves from Hurricane Charley. Surely some of these same folks will want to help there as well. Most of this came in the form of checks which I cleared thru my business and resent, or via pay pal.
These people are all going to need a wide variety of help including but not limited to drinking water, food, and all basic necessities. Perhaps the owners of Thaivisa could help set something up since they are closer to the impact zone?
There's no time to waste or wait for governments to get there as the mobilization should start now!
Rgrds
Tom Pilitowski A.K.A. Mr Vietnam
Thanks for your kind thoughts Tom. Much appreciated.
Just trying to Help Doc. I see a lot of hand wringing, but........
Rgrds
Tom
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If anyone knows of a person or persons/groups who are personally bringing aid to the people and are as such looking for donations please let me know and I'll advertise them on my websites and Vietnam forum.
I'll also mention it on the various forums I take part in to help get word out.
We raised over $25,000 in direct aid to help storm victims here in Florida despite being victimized ourselves from Hurricane Charley. Surely some of these same folks will want to help there as well. Most of this came in the form of checks which I cleared thru my business and resent, or via pay pal.
These people are all going to need a wide variety of help including but not limited to drinking water, food, and all basic necessities. Perhaps the owners of Thaivisa could help set something up since they are closer to the impact zone?
There's no time to waste or wait for governments to get there as the mobilization should start now!
Rgrds
Tom Pilitowski A.K.A. Mr Vietnam
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What's on yahoo over here:
Asia Quakes' Tsunamis Kill Nearly 10,000
4 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By LELY T. DJUHARI, Associated Press Writer
JAKARTA, Indonesia - The world's most powerful earthquake in 40 years struck deep under the Indian Ocean off the west coast of Sumatra on Sunday, triggering tidal waves up to 20 feet high that obliterated villages and seaside resorts in six countries across southern Asia. Nearly 10,000 people were killed in the devastation.
Canadian Press
Slideshow: Indonesia Quake Sparks Fatal Tidal Waves
Asian Quakes' Tsunami Kill More Than 8,000
(AP Video)
Tourists, fishermen, homes and cars were swept away by walls of water that rolled across the Bay of Bengal, unleashed by the 8.9-magnitude earthquake. The tsunami waves barreled nearly 3,000 miles across the ocean to Africa, where at least nine people were killed in Somalia, witnesses said.
At least 4,185 killed in Indonesia, the country's health ministry said.
In Sri Lanka, 1,000 miles west of the epicenter, more than 3,000 people were killed, the country's top police official said; that number, however, does not include the unconfirmed 1,500 deaths reported by rebels who control part of the country.
Elsewhere, about 2,300 were reported dead along the southern coasts of India, at least 289 in Thailand, 42 in Malaysia and two in Bangladesh.
But officials expected the death toll to rise, with hundreds reported missing and all communications cut off to towns in the Indonesian island of Sumatra that were closest to the epicenter. Hundreds of bodies were found on various beaches along India's southern state of Tamil Nadu, and more were expected to be washed in by the sea, officials said.
The rush of tsunami waves brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities on the ocean's edge. Sunbathers on the beaches of the Thai resort of Phuket were washed away. A group of 32 Indians — including 15 children — were killed while taking a ritual Hindu bath to mark the full moon day. Fishing boats, with their owners clinging to their sides, were picked up by the waves and discarded.
"All the planet is vibrating" from the quake, said Enzo Boschi, the head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute. Speaking on SKY TG24 TV, Boschi said the quake even disturbed the Earth's rotation.
The U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites) measured the quake at a magnitude of 8.9. Geophysicist Julie Martinez said it was the world's fifth-largest since 1900 and the largest since a 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.
The epicenter was located 155 miles south-southeast of Banda Aceh, the capital of Aceh province on Sumatra, and six miles under the seabed of the Indian Ocean. There were at least a half-dozen powerful aftershocks, ranging in magnitude from almost 6 and 7.3.
On Sumatra, the quake destroyed dozens of buildings — but as elsewhere, it was the wall of water that followed that caused the most deaths and devastation.
Tidal waves leveled towns in Aceh province on Sumatra's northern tip. An Associated Press reporter saw bodies wedged in trees as the waters receded. More bodies littered the beaches.
Health ministry official Els Mangundap said 1,876 people had died across the region, including some 1,400 in the Aceh provincial capital, Banda Aceh. Communications to the town had been cut.
Relatives went through lines of bodies wrapped in blankets and sheets, searching for dead loved ones. Aceh province has long been the center of a violent insurgency against the government.
Some of the worst devastation was in Sri Lanka, where a million people were displaced from wrecked villages. Some 20,000 soldiers were deployed in relief and rescue and to help police maintain law and order. Police chief, Chandra Fernando said at least 3,000 people were dead in areas under government control.
An AP photographer saw two dozen bodies along a four-mile stretch of beach, some of children entangled in the wire mesh used to barricade seaside homes. Other bodies were brought up from the beach, wrapped in sarongs and laid on the road, while rows of men and women lined the roads asking if anyone had seen their relatives.
"It is a huge tragedy," said Lalith Weerathunga, secretary to the Sri Lankan prime minister. "The death toll is going up all the time." He said the government did not know what was happening in areas of the northeast controlled by Tamil Tiger rebels.
The pro-rebel www.nitharsanam.com Web site reported about 1,500 bodies were brought from various parts of Sri Lanka's northeast to a hospital in Mullaithivu district, 170 miles northeast of the capital, Colombo.
About 170 children at an orphanage were feared dead after tidal waves pounded it in Mullaithivu, the Web site said.
No independent confirmation of the report was available, but TamilNet — another pro-rebel Web site — said some guerrilla territory was badly hit. "Many parts ... are still inaccessible and it was difficult to provide damage estimates or death tolls there," it said.
In India, beaches were turned into virtual open-air mortuaries, with bodies of people caught in the tidal wave being washed ashore.
"I was shocked to see innumerable fishing boats flying on the shoulder of the waves, going back and forth into the sea, as if made of paper," said P. Ramanamurthy, 40, who lives in Kakinada, a town in Andra Pradesh state.
The huge waves struck around breakfast time on the beaches of Thailand's beach resorts — probably Asia's most popular holiday destination at this time of year, particularly for Europeans fleeing the winter cold — wiping out bungalows, boats and cars, sweeping away sunbathers and snorkelers, witnesses said.
"Initially we just heard a bang, a really loud bang," Gerrard Donnelly of Britain, a guest at Phuket island's Holiday Inn, told Britain's Sky News. "We initially thought it was a terrorist attack, then the wave came and we just kept running upstairs to get on as high ground as we could."
"People that were snorkeling were dragged along the coral and washed up on the beach, and people that were sunbathing got washed into the sea," said Simon Clark, 29, a photographer from London vacationing on Ngai island.
On Phuket, Somboon Wangnaitham, deputy director of the Wachira Hospital, said one of the worst hit areas was the populous Patong beach, where at least 32 people died and 500 were injured.
Another survivor on Phuket was Natalia Moyano, 22, of Sydney, Australia, who was being treated for torn ligaments.
"The water kept rising. It was very slow at first, then all of a sudden, it went right up," Moyano said. "At first I didn't think there was any danger, but when I realized the water kept rising so quickly, I tried to jump over a fence, but it broke."
On Phi Phi island — where "The Beach" starring Leonardo DiCaprio was filmed — 200 bungalows at two resorts were swept out to sea.
"I am afraid that there will be a high figure of foreigners missing in the sea and also my staff," said Chan Marongtaechar, owner of the PP Princess Resort and PP Charlie Beach Resort.
Some 200 seriously injured people, most of them foreigners, were evacuated by helicopter from the island after dark, said Maj. Gen. Winai Nilasri of the Border Patrol Police. He said the island, which was crammed with tourist facilities, was without electricity.
There was no tsunami threat for western North America or Hawaii, according to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.
Scientists said the catastrophic death toll across the region might have been reduced if India and Sri Lanka had been part of an international warning system designed to advise coastal communities that a potentially killer wave was approaching.
Although Thailand is part of the system, it has not yet been implemented for the western coast of the Thailand penninsula, where the waves came smashing ashore Sunday, the scientists said. The system relies on a network of earthquake seismic sensors and tidal gauges attached to buoys in the oceans.
Indonesia, a country of 17,000 islands, is prone to seismic upheaval because of its location on the margins of tectonic plates that make up the so-called the "Ring of Fire" around the Pacific Ocean basin.
The Indonesian quake struck just three days after an 8.1 quake struck the ocean floor between Australia and Antarctica, causing buildings to shake hundreds of miles away but no serious damage or injury.
Quakes reaching a magnitude 8 are very rare. A quake registering magnitude 8 rocked Japan's northern island of Hokkaido on Sept. 25, 2003, injuring nearly 600 people. An 8.4 magnitude tremor that struck off the coast of Peru on June 23, 2001, killed 74.
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Associated Press reporters Dilip Ganguly and Gemunu Amarasinghe in Colombo, Sri Lanka, K.N. Arun in Madras, India, and Sutin Wannabovorn in Phuket, Thailand, contributed to this report.
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Mobile services are swamped.. Simply dont have the bandwidth.. try sending him an sms as they seem to get through..
As to insureance.. I would not put much hope in Thai insurances paying out a satang on anything like this..
It's a run for the money and that's all it is when it comes to insurance. 30,000 homes were either destroyed or severely damaged here in Port Charlotte Florida from Hurricane Charley. We lost our roof, fence, a/c unit ripped from the side of the house and thrown 100 ft away, ( we were in the closet while this was happening as it was NEVER supposed to hit us but instead go further up to Tampa then 2 hrs before it actually happened it turned directly to us, no time to do anything but hunker down)
I started legal combat with the insurance co the next day by calling a lawyer on the other coast. Bottom line, we were paid and house has been repaired ( within the last 6 weeks, actual incident was Aug 13th). Most of my neighbors haven't seen a dime and many are still waiting for a claims adjuster.
3 more hurricanes swiped across the state in folling days/weeks. To date there are still 170,000+ claims still not paid in Florida and insurance companies have all been downgraded on AM Best. Flooding from Ivan went all the way up the eastern coast of the USA as far as NE Pennsylvania. ( 1200 miles away)
You need to get right on this and do what you can in getting paperwork filed ( send copies, keep copies, call lawyer in BKK etc etc). I can't even imagine the difficulty in getting claims filed and paid in LOS. So sorry to hear about this.
Take pictures right away. Make inventories of lost and damaged items.
Good luck to everyone
Mr Vietnam
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Look up attorney Marc Ellis in New Orleans. He's extremely qualified and honest.
Our timeline on a K-1 was 5 1/2 months.....from Vietnam.
You can also find him on the immigration link on Love of Asia Vietnam
Good luck
Mr Vietnam
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Yes. maybe, but this is Thailand and it is not!
Maybe i would change your avatar Boozer.
It looks like an Ex (ped's) avatar on here.
Maybe you would be mistaken for the same person
I thought the same thing. That was it managers avitar and when I first saw it again the first thought was it was him. I didn't want to say anything but now that you mention it........
Mr Vietnam
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It's actually easier to set up a business in Vietnam then it is in Thailand. It's also much much easier to arrange ( or have arranged) residence in Vietnam then it is in Thailand.
If you have a few bucks and chutzpah.
If you don't have both, you'll get eaten alive.
Good luck
Mr Vietnam
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with a democratically elected government military style.
The People do vote for these Politicians Right??
If "voting" meant anything or could really change anything, voting would be made illegal.
Mr Vietnam
Smartass American Officials - Get Real!
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by Darknight
/ No slagging matches here.
/keep it respectfull and voice your opinion that way. He's entitled to his opinion and you to yours , please present them respectfully in light of these events.