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  1. I can guarantee with certainty that immigration does NOT run a cross check and hardly ever access the database unless orders from the top.

    I use to do reporting on line, then it stopped to work for unknown reason . Called to immigration , no one had any clues, finally got through to someone who had some idea.

    He said system was changed so need to register again, which is really silly considering years of reporting.

    From my end system did not change, just says to contact immigration.

    Have not done a single report in few years, not a single word from immigration.

    Have a few people staying long term, never reported them, every year give them receipt and they use it to extend the visa.

    No questions asked, no calls received , nothing at all

  2. This was my experience 2 weeks ago. renewing 5 years for another 5

    I do have WP , so did not need residency cert

    Anyhow arrived at 8:30, handed over the usual copies. (note: no medical is needed)

    With WP, they wanted my employee tax number(this is new, never heard of read anything about that)

    Anyhow, called accountant, and got the number, which is also puzzling,as they simply write it down, so you could give them any number.

    Off to do some silly reaction test, one pedal to accelerate and next one to stop and color blind test(all at the same time, lol)

    Off too freezing cold room(air con super cold)

    Watch some silly video for about 25 mins, NO it was not stopped, it was actually a 25 min video.

    Off to pay the money and get a ticket,

    Ticket called up, make a photo and 5 mins later all done.

    Less than 2 hours to do all.

    This is in Pattaya.

  3. @TheCruncher: So salaries for experienced Thai construction workers, whether around Bangkok, Rayong or other areas in Thailand are around 400 baht per day. 500 baht per day is already a specialist with some special skills. So even if you hire more expensive construction workers at 500 baht per day, that still only makes you 15k per month. Foreign construction workers get somewhere around 250-300 baht per day.

    Hope that helps. There are no construction workers making 30k per month.

    Robert, as I said, time to spend some time in Thailand.

    Many skilled construction workers make 1500 - 2000 Baht a day for at least the past 4 years.

    Even a rice picker will not come for less than 400 Baht anymore these days, and you know what you got then.

    I'm giving up. Your numbers are complete rubbish. And by the way a normal worker at a rice mill anywhere in Thailand gets 300 baht per day. That's it.

    Ignore him, he does not have a clue and just posts utter drivel he heard at some bar or read on somewhere.

    Dare him to show a payslip or any evidencegigglem.gif

    He will just come back with some more drivel.

  4. I guess you haven't been to Thailand for a long time Robert, because a construction worker in Bangkok doesn't go home with less than 30K a month.

    Those rice pickers, who call themselves construction workers a few months a year, are happy with 500 Baht a day but you don't want your house build by them.

    Rubbish.

    Skilled electrician, foreman, with 9 years working for the same company earns 18 000 per month and a company pick up truck.

    A hadnyman for Central Shopping Malls, with 3 years working in the same company, 13 000 baht per month with OT if he does any.

    By bye lemoncake.

    More rubbish

  5. @TheCruncher: So salaries for experienced Thai construction workers, whether around Bangkok, Rayong or other areas in Thailand are around 400 baht per day. 500 baht per day is already a specialist with some special skills. So even if you hire more expensive construction workers at 500 baht per day, that still only makes you 15k per month. Foreign construction workers get somewhere around 250-300 baht per day.

    Hope that helps. There are no construction workers making 30k per month.

    Robert, as I said, time to spend some time in Thailand.

    Many skilled construction workers make 1500 - 2000 Baht a day for at least the past 4 years.

    Even a rice picker will not come for less than 400 Baht anymore these days, and you know what you got then.

    More rubbish

  6. I guess you haven't been to Thailand for a long time Robert, because a construction worker in Bangkok doesn't go home with less than 30K a month.

    Those rice pickers, who call themselves construction workers a few months a year, are happy with 500 Baht a day but you don't want your house build by them.

    Rubbish.

    Skilled electrician, foreman, with 9 years working for the same company earns 18 000 per month and a company pick up truck.

    A hadnyman for Central Shopping Malls, with 3 years working in the same company, 13 000 baht per month with OT if he does any.

  7. The poor are generally not allowed to succeed too much. Once they have something of value, the rich will find a way to take it. Most if not all rich people in Thailand got there money from either crime or exploitation or their family, who got it from crime or exploitation.

    Rather a very silly assumption.

    For starters anyone with big money AROUND THE WORLD, did not and does not make it clean.

    Even to keep the inherited money involves lots of "dirty" work.

    I know a few foreigners, who came to Thailand with almost nothing and now own 3 houses(around 12 million each) nice Benz, 5 kids in private school etc.

    Would not call them super rich, but certainly not living payday to payday

  8. Really ? how do you know i have no experience with the labour dept, how do you know how much i know about the thai legal system ?....granted i am not a lawyer

    Ok So show me 1 case link where somebody has gone to debtors prision over money not paid in a civil case involving a contractural dispute in the manner you describe....just 1 and prove i am talking rubbish

    Your state the DOL take the side of employees, which is true, but if they didnt think there was a case, they would not taken the case and issued the letter in thr first place

    You employed a lawyer so what, win or lose your paying him and he will persue any case you intruct him to

    You work for a company you are not an employer. Unless to appear smart you now want to claim you are not an employee.

    Pick one chair to sit on.

    Again I have clearly explained , first they stated employee needs to sign a waiver. After they contradicted themselves and stated otherwise .

    After lawyer was involved they stated a special waiver form was required.

    This has nothing to do with OP's case, my example was on how labor department operates .

    And yes I am certain a labor lawyer knows little more than self proclaimed expert with no real like experience .

    Though I am certain that would not stop you from posting more rubbish based on what you might think is true

    Still waiting for that link showing a case where someone was sent to jail to a debtors prision for a civil case to show i am talking rubbish...

    Until that time your posting hot air and diatribes....how do you know i have no real life experience you keep making assumptions all the time, i am giving rational, logical argument thats all...

    Now you just trolling for the sake of trolling.

    Last time i checked courts do not post their rulings on internet, unless a very high profile case and you know that.

    For the last time, you have no legal knowledge nor first hand experiences, so stop posting utter drivel.

    Your initial post was spot on, from there on when you decided to be an expert on labor department and thai legal system , nothing but utter drivel

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  9. Really ? how do you know i have no experience with the labour dept, how do you know how much i know about the thai legal system ?....granted i am not a lawyer

    Ok So show me 1 case link where somebody has gone to debtors prision over money not paid in a civil case involving a contractural dispute in the manner you describe....just 1 and prove i am talking rubbish

    Your state the DOL take the side of employees, which is true, but if they didnt think there was a case, they would not taken the case and issued the letter in thr first place

    You employed a lawyer so what, win or lose your paying him and he will persue any case you intruct him to

    You work for a company you are not an employer. Unless to appear smart you now want to claim you are not an employee.

    Pick one chair to sit on.

    Again I have clearly explained , first they stated employee needs to sign a waiver. After they contradicted themselves and stated otherwise .

    After lawyer was involved they stated a special waiver form was required.

    This has nothing to do with OP's case, my example was on how labor department operates .

    And yes I am certain a labor lawyer knows little more than self proclaimed expert with no real like experience .

    Though I am certain that would not stop you from posting more rubbish based on what you might think is true

  10. I reiterate ~ "the reason why the OP has come to this forum, seeking legal advise, is anyone's wild guess?":coffee1:

    Perhaps to seek assurance that he does not have to repay

    or may be because seeing lawyer would cost at least 3000 baht, so any free advise is great

    I have never had good dealings with Labor department,

    Latest one, my staff pushed me to the limit, so i decided to engage a lawyer.

    Just to show how this department works.

    My contract states, employee must give 15 day notice to resign, failure to provide 15 days notice will result in deposit of 3000 baht not being returned.

    First case, Labor department stated that this is not legal, and i have to give back deposit. Employee does not have to give any notice at all.

    HOWEVER, if employee signs that they are leaving without 15 day notice and willingly forfeit the deposit, then it is legal

    Second case, employee signed the waiver, recorded on the video with sound.

    Then she goes to labor department.

    I went there, showed signed contract, showed signed waiver, showed video, was told ok, all clear

    1 month later, letter from labor department that i have to refund the money, all the waivers are irrelevant or go to court.

    So got a lawyer, he went through all the documents and basically explained, labor department represent employees and will say or do anything to help them.

    Labor court would over turn that, however will take anywhere from 3 months to 1 year and legal fees would be around 30 000- 60 000.

    I can not claim this money from employee or the labor department, however i could pay this money, then file civil suit against employee for breach.

    Would win 100%, cost 60 000 upfront. and little chance of recovering this money,

    Employee could end up in jail for failing to pay, however if she/he makes even a small payment then no jail.

    What your talking about is a completely different scenario, taking a deposit off an employee with reference to resignation is an unfair labour practice as your withholding money from them which is rightly theirs, irrespective of what they signed or the terms of the contract....the DOL's case is justified.

    In the case of the OP the company fronted the costs for his employment, therefore would incur a direct financial loss if the OP resigns earlier than stated therefore this clause is valid to claim the costs back

    In your case your with holding money from them before the fact - unfair labour practice

    In the case of the OP they are claiming costs they have incurred after the fact - standard contractual condition in cases like this

    Further in your case the employee will not end up in jail for failure to pay... stop talking rubbish, Thailand has no debtors jail, and this is a civil case not a criminal one

    You are wrong again, as i clearly explained already.

    The only one talking rubbish is you, You have no experience with labor department from employers point of view, so please stop pushing what you do not know.

    I clearly already stated i employed a lawyer and call me crazy, but i am certain he would know little more about Thai legal system than you

  11. I reiterate ~ "the reason why the OP has come to this forum, seeking legal advise, is anyone's wild guess?":coffee1:

    Perhaps to seek assurance that he does not have to repay

    or may be because seeing lawyer would cost at least 3000 baht, so any free advise is great

    I have never had good dealings with Labor department,

    Latest one, my staff pushed me to the limit, so i decided to engage a lawyer.

    Just to show how this department works.

    My contract states, employee must give 15 day notice to resign, failure to provide 15 days notice will result in deposit of 3000 baht not being returned.

    First case, Labor department stated that this is not legal, and i have to give back deposit. Employee does not have to give any notice at all.

    HOWEVER, if employee signs that they are leaving without 15 day notice and willingly forfeit the deposit, then it is legal

    Second case, employee signed the waiver, recorded on the video with sound.

    Then she goes to labor department.

    I went there, showed signed contract, showed signed waiver, showed video, was told ok, all clear

    1 month later, letter from labor department that i have to refund the money, all the waivers are irrelevant or go to court.

    So got a lawyer, he went through all the documents and basically explained, labor department represent employees and will say or do anything to help them.

    Labor court would over turn that, however will take anywhere from 3 months to 1 year and legal fees would be around 30 000- 60 000.

    I can not claim this money from employee or the labor department, however i could pay this money, then file civil suit against employee for breach.

    Would win 100%, cost 60 000 upfront. and little chance of recovering this money,

    Employee could end up in jail for failing to pay, however if she/he makes even a small payment then no jail.

  12. I can assure you as I have an employer who does the same for me every year and I can say without a shadow of doubt that total costs amount to something like 10,000 baht per annum. Unless they are falsifying documents for Visas and WPs there is no reason 350,000 baht can be a reasonable sum.

    Why ?

    if they are using a top shelf legal company to do the paperwork, you would easily run up some significant invoices for professional services...although the OPs wife paid for the actual application fees, the company provided the paperwork, so thats professional fees for 2 people

    THB 10K LOL..you correct on the application fees to immigration, but what about professional fee for drawing up the paper work and the agent who walks everything through ? So if you think 10 pa covers all this your dreaming

    Funny i have an employer and i have no clue what they pay pa for professional fees around WP renewals, and i dont care, not my problem

    Mine cost me yearly about 40 000 baht.

    350 000 is very exaggerated,however i believe they put this amount to prevent people like OP quitting after few months.

    May be the amount also includes OP travel costs, settling in etc

  13. That amount is ridiculous. You should consult the Thai Labor court and file a grievance notifying them of the absurd terms.

    Thai labor court would discard the entire contract, however employer has not withheld any money so Thai labor department has no jurisdiction at all.

    Company can file civil lawsuit seeking compensation in the amount stated in the contract . Will only cost company 60 000 baht, recoverable from defendant upon win.

    If company choses to take this step, OP will not be able to leave the country and will be liable for just as much in his own legal fees.

    If I were OP, I would offer to compensate fair amount, 35000-50000 and end it there.

    Should company refuse, OP can always use it as evidence that he tried to negotiate and settle with fair amount. Thai courts like that and would be more inclined to rule in OP' favour .

    The labour will not discard the entire contract, they legally cant do that, they can invalidate certain clauses if they breach the labour laws thats all and declare them unenforceable under the labour law

    I can assure you they do and they can from personal experience at least 5 times

    I have a contract for all employees and they simply discard it, claiming it is not in line with Thai labor law.

    You are welcome to challenge it in labor court, if you willing to blow 30000-60000 baht with no chance to recover this money.

  14. He is correct!

    If he purchases a condo for 10 million Baht with money from overseas he can apply for an extension of stay based on investment.

    He doesn't have ten million, he's talking around 3-4 million but would that our even 10 million qualify as an "investment" into the country of he only wants to live there himself ?

    And is this meaning unlimited visas for the rest of his life if he owns a 10 million thb condo?

    If that's true it would be pretty good deal for young guys compared to elite cards and the likes

    He is talking about Southpoint condo, where purchase comes with 5 year Elite Visa

  15. Yes I know renewing at the Aust Embassy in BKK is an option BUT for my own (maybe insecure) reasons I'd rather the passport be issued in my own country. Apart from Abbots July 1st, $100 surcharge for out of country applications?? how the f#&k can they justify that when paying local employees (at any embassy) crap wages.

    32 pages, how the f#&k does he justify near on double the charges for additional pages. Probably uses the same rational as he is using in his footy tipping and running 2nd last to the "Village Idiot" in the Age Newspaper compertition!

    I seriously doubt passports are printed at the embassy.

    It is done in Australia and mailed via couriers or diplomatic post.

    $ 100 surcharge is about 1/10 of flight back home alonethumbsup.gif

  16. almost a 100 posts since he last replied,depression or LOVE SICK.

    me thinks we have all been TANGO,ED.

    He did say he only had 2000 baht left in the bank account.

    May be spending 40 baht in internet cafe was not a priority.

    Also considering all the attacks he came under initially, no wonder he has not been back.

    Some TV members really enjoy kicking people when they down and take great joy in seeing someone's demise.sad.png

  17. Why has the OP given up on freelance writing, or work in general? A bad back hasn't deterred most people from contributing some work, and there's always abundant demand for freelance writers, as well as teachers, movie/TV extras, online marketers, telesales staff, etc.

    Back surgery is not a walk in the park, , sitting up is painful, not to mention all the pain killers, that either make you drowsy or sleepy.

    Once he was well enough to return to work, he said company he worked for has closed down or closing down.

    Once one has fallen into a pattern or depression, its not easy to think "out side the box"

    I am also guessing he may not be aware of where to look. How many TV members knew about Thai Visa prior to joining,

    I know it took me good 2-3 years to even discover Thai Visa existed.

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