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The condom could have come from the couple and not the murder/possible rapist
Ooooh! Of course, I forgot that part. Condoms fall off when one is hoed in the back! Silly me.
Or they had sex. Removed the condom and were laying together. Some people do that after sex.
Care to explain the hoe in the back then? I'd have been looking up to the stars if that was the case you propose.... not have my head in the sand.
And let's keep this pragmatic - it's not personal digs....
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"Gen. Pravit Wongsuwan, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defence, said he instructed police to urgently solve the case..."
So most other cases of criminality are dealt with on the back-burner (excuse the pun), at police's own speed and discretion? Farcical!
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The 'used' condom holds all the evidence, assuming it wasn't used 3 months ago
.... don't lose it guys or throw it into the bin as beach garbage..... That should have been the first thing to be analysed... so let's assume it is right now, and not the post-haste-mortem.
A USED CONDOM as evidence in a rape and murder case? My, what a considerate rapist! Give me a break...
The condom could have come from the couple and not the murder/possible rapist
Ooooh! Of course, I forgot that part. Condoms fall off when one is hoed in the back! Silly me.
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From a UK govt report from 2013. Among the 'Key Findings' was this little gem.
"Thailand has seen a significant increase in hospitalisations (31%) and deaths (31%), despite fewer cases worldwide."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-figures-reveal-fco-assisted-over-19000-brits-last-year
Thailand is a VERY violent place. Despite a lot of retirees, odd's of 2,400/1 that you could die while in Thailand are not good IMO.
That really depends upon who you are, what your profession is, and how long you've been here.
If one is a teenage dick-sweat at a beach party, then yes put yourself in the 2,400. If you are well know and respected, live here, and speak Thai..... there is no risk whatsoever. The UK govt report is aimed at VISITORS, not long term stayers or ex-pats....... let's keep it in perspective, shall we? Grengjai na krap!
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The BBC's Jonathan Head is on the island and is reporting the police are rounding up Burmese migrant workers for interview.
He claims a senior police officer told him the are concentrating on the Burmese as he ( the police officer ) ' COULDN'T BELIEVE A THAI WOULD DO SUCH A THING !
How does he explain the violence, open fire cases etc when it's Thai against Thai for the most minor of reasons ? Well I suppose loss of face isn't exactly minor here.
You can do better than that SS
, the Brit is involved in this, along with probably a few Thai "friends" he made.... IMHO. Why would a "friend" flee, all of a sudden?I'll go with current reports on the BBC rather than barstool theory thx
Police still want to speak to a British man who was with the victims on Sunday evening, but the man is probably not a "major suspect",
"They simply want to question him because they believe he was with David Miller and Hannah Witheridge as part of their group and then left early [on Monday] morning,"
So who said flee apart from the papers and you ? was he a personal friend or just a travelling friend ? is it possible this friend left the Island on the first and only boat out like many do for other reasons than to flee as you put it ? Is it possible this friend dosnt even know about the murders yet ?
I dont know and im 100% sure you dont..... I do know however if this friend needs to be found he will be when he tries to cross a border. They know who he is and have his passport flagged,. being a farang with probably limited cash funds they can have his banking blocked and or withdrawals and purchases tracked etc etc and you can bet the UK is already on that.Chances are its just as likely he had someplace other to be as a traveller and got the early boat, which is totally normal on Kho Tao, either way hes not going far whatever.
As for your interrogation quip, m8 that is one of the most stupid suggestions ive heard here so far.... way to go
Well let's wait for the outcome, and see who's right - before you call me stupid!
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Rape as a motive to murder in this case just doesn't fly. Why would a rapist/ murderer/s pick a potential victim that is in the company of a young, fit and healthy male ? There would be much easier targets in that party enviroment. Theft also doesn't seem to fit either as the couple most likely had minimal baht on their person at the time they were killed considering they were naked.
While rapists generally go after women who are alone, killing the male partner and then sexually assaulting the woman is not unheard of. Richard Ramirez (AKA the Night Stalker) did it. The Zodiac killer stabbed couples more than once (though didn't rape).
It could have been more a motivation to murder than to rape but after he killed the man he decided to rape the woman before killing her.
He since it was dark and he had the element of surprise he might have killed the man easily.
I hope the killer is caught quickly.
He? Not 'they'?? Took more than one to do this, unless it was done in between those small rocks as a matter of surprise, after the event. Would somebody killing 2 people remove a condom after the event. HOE IN THE BACK is not obtained when facing somebody. It is clear what happened, but I'm for sure not going to speculate.
I hope the killers, as a group, are caught quickly!
It could be more than one person yes. But it could have easily been one person. OJ Simpson probably killed 2 people by himself. There are husbands have murdered their whole family before. The gal and guy probably had a decent amount to drink. They are in a relaxed mood, somewhat private little area, it is dark, they dont have shoes on, it would have taken only one or two blows to the head to kill him. She is trapped and is killed.
In the tiny little coved area, do you think he got hoed in the back facing an attacker? Come on, it's obvious when he was hoed in the back, and what happened after that, probably drug fuelled if it was a single attacker...... and lo and behold somebody has fled, to Bangkok.... probably to Suva.
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This reporting just gets worse. They became accustomed when staying within the same resort; they were not staying in the same bungalow. They were not a 'pair', but two individuals who happened to be together at a moment - pls. - be careful with 'pairing'.
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The BBC's Jonathan Head is on the island and is reporting the police are rounding up Burmese migrant workers for interview.
He claims a senior police officer told him the are concentrating on the Burmese as he ( the police officer ) ' COULDN'T BELIEVE A THAI WOULD DO SUCH A THING !
How does he explain the violence, open fire cases etc when it's Thai against Thai for the most minor of reasons ? Well I suppose loss of face isn't exactly minor here.
Could you provide a link to this please?
google is sometimes your friend.
BBC News Thailand is a good start.
Try here if you can't be bothered looking...
Read it this morning thanks.
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Rape as a motive to murder in this case just doesn't fly. Why would a rapist/ murderer/s pick a potential victim that is in the company of a young, fit and healthy male ? There would be much easier targets in that party enviroment. Theft also doesn't seem to fit either as the couple most likely had minimal baht on their person at the time they were killed considering they were naked.
While rapists generally go after women who are alone, killing the male partner and then sexually assaulting the woman is not unheard of. Richard Ramirez (AKA the Night Stalker) did it. The Zodiac killer stabbed couples more than once (though didn't rape).
It could have been more a motivation to murder than to rape but after he killed the man he decided to rape the woman before killing her.
He since it was dark and he had the element of surprise he might have killed the man easily.
I hope the killer is caught quickly.
Why did no one hear noise, ie: screams, i don't think people die in this horrific way in silence.
God you ask some silly questions, and if you're teaching, pls don't forget the '?' after your Q.
If you got a HOE SLICING in your back unexpectedly, do you really think you'd let out a loud scream? You'd be gasping for breath, as the impact would blow your lungs out..
Female quickly subdues, or so shocked and frozen..... no noise comes from her either.
I have walked past beach parties, and all one hears is screams. Boozed up and drug taking (prob 50%) of attendees would not give a toss about screams. Screams also don't carry so far on a beach - depending upon which way one is facing, and I believe they were facing the ground, doing what they were doing.
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"Another theory of the murder might also be from jealousy because the girl was good looking and had many boyfriends coming in contact, he said."
Please tell me that's just a poor translation of what he said and not him hinting about loose morals being to blame.
Um, in so many words, that is exactly what he said.
Classy.
It is loose morals that get people into trouble, is it not? Or idiocy, as an alternative?
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"Owner of the house identified as Santi sae Yang, a Burmese national, was arrested."
Burmese can buy houses here??
That's news to me.
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The BBC's Jonathan Head is on the island and is reporting the police are rounding up Burmese migrant workers for interview.
He claims a senior police officer told him the are concentrating on the Burmese as he ( the police officer ) ' COULDN'T BELIEVE A THAI WOULD DO SUCH A THING !
How does he explain the violence, open fire cases etc when it's Thai against Thai for the most minor of reasons ? Well I suppose loss of face isn't exactly minor here.
Could you provide a link to this please?
google is sometimes your friend.
BBC News Thailand is a good start.
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Im not sure i want to go out today, chances of my surviving a normal day are getting increasingly low !
Do you shag on the beach everyday then?
Can do , but im not telling where i live .
Then I'd suggest you don't go out then.
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Rape as a motive to murder in this case just doesn't fly. Why would a rapist/ murderer/s pick a potential victim that is in the company of a young, fit and healthy male ? There would be much easier targets in that party enviroment. Theft also doesn't seem to fit either as the couple most likely had minimal baht on their person at the time they were killed considering they were naked.
While rapists generally go after women who are alone, killing the male partner and then sexually assaulting the woman is not unheard of. Richard Ramirez (AKA the Night Stalker) did it. The Zodiac killer stabbed couples more than once (though didn't rape).
It could have been more a motivation to murder than to rape but after he killed the man he decided to rape the woman before killing her.
He since it was dark and he had the element of surprise he might have killed the man easily.
I hope the killer is caught quickly.
He? Not 'they'?? Took more than one to do this, unless it was done in between those small rocks as a matter of surprise, after the event. Would somebody killing 2 people remove a condom after the event. HOE IN THE BACK is not obtained when facing somebody. It is clear what happened, but I'm for sure not going to speculate.
I hope the killers, as a group, are caught quickly!
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Makes the poem 'foot prints in the sand' even sound illogical to Thai forensics.
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"A nationwide manhunt was reportedly under way for a third British backpacker whom police suspect of carrying out the attack before fleeing the island."
The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/british-tourists-murdered-thailand-koh-tao
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The BBC's Jonathan Head is on the island and is reporting the police are rounding up Burmese migrant workers for interview.
He claims a senior police officer told him the are concentrating on the Burmese as he ( the police officer ) ' COULDN'T BELIEVE A THAI WOULD DO SUCH A THING !
How does he explain the violence, open fire cases etc when it's Thai against Thai for the most minor of reasons ? Well I suppose loss of face isn't exactly minor here.
You can do better than that SS
, the Brit is involved in this, along with probably a few Thai "friends" he made.... IMHO. Why would a "friend" flee, all of a sudden?-
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The 'used' condom holds all the evidence, assuming it wasn't used 3 months ago
.... don't lose it guys or throw it into the bin as beach garbage..... That should have been the first thing to be analysed... so let's assume it is right now, and not the post-haste-mortem.
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Come on mate, I never even condoned the bludgeoning. I simply indicated that certain actions, if undertaken in Thailand (and even elsewhere), draw attention -
Mate. That really is a completely fatuous argument.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29203485
It's not as dangerous as people believe. Listen to the figures.
If the pair were engaged in activities which are not accepted in Thailand, it is not surprising trouble arrived - although no need for the outcome.
RIP to the youngsters, and condolances to the families of both.
2 people have been bludgeoned to death. Not given a telling off or a clip around the ear.
I don't care what they were doing.
Thailand is in the top 10 mist dangerous places for British tourists. Thailand gives the illusion of safety, but deep down, you can be one comment away from a good shoeing, at worst a random attack like this.
Sad events.
Especially in beach areas!
It's thus not fatuitous or cynical, but simply a pragmatic observation.
The simple problem here is that, in days of old, people came to Thai islands for the sun, sea and sand - NOT the late night parties.
Now, some of the islands are becoming almost like Spanish resorts - late night parties, drugs and booze.
I iterate; that does not in anyway condone the outcome of events, but it does indicate increasing dangers, albeit being introduced by what the younger generations seek.
I go to Panghan every year, of course with my Thai wife, and we are up before dawn, enjoy the beach and the food and relax, and are generally in bed at 11pm.
Now you could call me an old fart, but that is what out visit is for - to take in the sea, the sand, and relax away from work.
That is the primary aim of what the majority of Thai wish to offer their services to.
One is also one comment away from attack in Birmingham, Liverpool, Sheffield, and even the outbacks of Cwmbran, or Suffolk, with such random attacks.
However, to maim every island as dangerous only depends upon what one does there. I think that's fairly simplle to observe, as is the respecting of Thai rules and culture. In addition, I reiterate that this does not excuse any of the treatment people get if they end up paying with their lives for it.
Me too. I am an oldie these days and I never went to a full moon party.
Problem is, Thailand poses itself as a safe tourist destination. That is not the truth. You need your wits about u and need to be extremely culturally sensitive when going about your business.
This should be advertised more. And no, one is not a comment away from attack in those places. How many drunk people get into taxis every day in the UK and are a little lippy but get home fine.
The streets of the UK after kicking out are a mess, but the police are there policing people. Here it ends with a stabbing, shooting or a street brawl. There is zero thought to the fact that drunk people get into trouble.
I lived upcountry for 18 years. 3 years ago we got our first beating by TUK TUK drivers onto a drunk foreigner. Maybe he deserved a clip, but the shoeing he got put him within an inch of his life.
Thailand and cheap boozy tourism doesn't mix well.
Well you hit the nail on the head there, in the very last sentence!
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"police are said to be looking for a British man who apparently knew Mr Miller and may have fled to Bangkok"
http://news.sky.com/story/1336526/backpacker-hunted-over-thailand-double-murder
"fled" being the operative word.
I don't buy the bruising and scratches from a 'fire', and that's my humble opinion. Get this 'friend' and interrogate him.
Anybody found a picture or name of this 'friend' yet?
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Mate. That really is a completely fatuous argument.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29203485
It's not as dangerous as people believe. Listen to the figures.
If the pair were engaged in activities which are not accepted in Thailand, it is not surprising trouble arrived - although no need for the outcome.
RIP to the youngsters, and condolances to the families of both.
2 people have been bludgeoned to death. Not given a telling off or a clip around the ear.
I don't care what they were doing.
Thailand is in the top 10 mist dangerous places for British tourists. Thailand gives the illusion of safety, but deep down, you can be one comment away from a good shoeing, at worst a random attack like this.
Sad events.
Come on mate, I never even condoned the bludgeoning. I simply indicated that certain actions, if undertaken in Thailand (and even elsewhere), draw attention -
Especially in beach areas!
It's thus not fatuitous or cynical, but simply a pragmatic observation.
The simple problem here is that, in days of old, people came to Thai islands for the sun, sea and sand - NOT the late night parties.
Now, some of the islands are becoming almost like Spanish resorts - late night parties, drugs and booze.
I iterate; that does not in anyway condone the outcome of events, but it does indicate increasing dangers, albeit being introduced by what the younger generations seek.
I go to Panghan every year, of course with my Thai wife, and we are up before dawn, enjoy the beach and the food and relax, and are generally in bed at 11pm.
Now you could call me an old fart, but that is what out visit is for - to take in the sea, the sand, and relax away from work.
That is the primary aim of what the majority of Thai wish to offer their services to.
One is also one comment away from attack in Birmingham, Liverpool, Sheffield, and even the outbacks of Cwmbran, or Suffolk, with such random attacks.
However, to maim every island as dangerous only depends upon what one does there. I think that's fairly simplle to observe, as is the respecting of Thai rules and culture. In addition, I reiterate that this does not excuse any of the treatment people get if they end up paying with their lives for it.
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My students don't even know the latin alphabet, I gave them a worksheet to translate from English to Thai using dictionaries. They managed to finish 15 out of 30 words in one hour and told me that many of the words where not in the dictionary. So I showed them that if they just looked at the right place they would find them all in the dictionary, I checked (dictionary made in Thailand, not Oxford...) while making the handout to be sure as it was about agriculture and not common conversion... And these students are studying in higher vocational education (18+)!Judging by the quality of the Thai educational system, it would appear that bookstores are moot since few of today's students care to read (or are unable to read and comprehend anything with any depth). All today's students want are cell phones and TV. We will see the young Thai's minds turn to mush and with it the hopes of a better tomorrow for Thailand. Well done Thailand!
I don't know the Latin Alphabet either and not interested ... Always confuses me when I see the numbers written with that....
You're taking the P, right? I V X L C D M are Roman 'numerals' - not an alphabet. My Lord, what is the world coming to?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29203485
It's not as dangerous as people believe. Listen to the figures.
If the pair were engaged in activities which are not accepted in Thailand, it is not surprising trouble arrived - although no need for the outcome.
RIP to the youngsters, and condolances to the families of both.
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How does one receive bruises and scratches from a fire?
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.... don't lose it guys or throw it into the bin as beach garbage..... 
, the Brit is involved in this, along with probably a few Thai "friends" he made.... IMHO. Why would a "friend" flee, all of a sudden?
Loved and hated, former PM Thaksin is erased from textbook
in Thailand News
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This is just a removal of a 'ghost' from the closet. Ghosts come back to haunt, you know!