Sviss Geez
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Discrestion only within the law. The law doesn't allow them to deny entry based on x previous entries. People being denied are being denied for suspicion of working, not the number of entries.Entry into the Kingdom is at the immigration official's discretion....which negates your last statement..regardless of the "legality"Thailands own regulations allow for multiple visa exempt entries. The abuse of this privilege by illegal workers is the reason why immigration are targeting visa exempt entries for extra scrutiny. It's not because of reasoning like yours.
Please provide a link to the "law" you are quoting from a government website...or are you making this up as you go along????
No problem.
Here is the link to the regulation change made in 2008 that cancelled the 90 day stay limit in any 180 days and introduced the 15 day limit when entering by a land border. The 15 day rule was later lifted for G7 countries. If you read the order dated November 2008 it confirms the "granted multiple entries".
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy778-2551_en.pdf
You do have a small problem though, here's the first part of that order that you conveniently ignored...
"3. Any holder of a passport or a substitute passport whose nationality falls under the category for which the Minister permits a temporary stay for tourism purposes,"
The OP is obviously not a tourist, he has a wife here.
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When was the last time an extension or visa based on 10m investment was granted?
Never seen a report of one here.
Hardly a surprise.
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The embassy may be the best and most obvious place to ask.
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You would report it at the same place that you should be reported for your being corrupt also.
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Well you're right, in Thailand normally most bills can only be paid if you are physically present in the country.
Doesn't sound like you tried hard enough though last time you were here. Or you could perhaps ask someone in the country to pay on your behalf and then you pay them back later.
Still, doubtful there would be an issue on entry - your refusal of entry is a far greater issue.
You might be refused service by the companies in question in future, but in general, Thai authorities have little ability to enforce non-payment of bills with things like debt collectors and leans on your property or taking possession of belongings etc. doesn't happen here. Those kind of things only happen in more developed countries.
On the other hand if you ever deal with loan sharks then all bets are off. They will cut your head off before you can even mutter the words "can I pay you tomorrow?"
"Thai authorities have little ability to enforce non-payment of bills with things like debt collectors and leans on your property or taking possession of belongings etc. doesn't happen here. Those kind of things only happen in more developed countries."
Nonsense, official debt collecting happens here all the time.
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I might come back to Thailand at Chong Mek on a visa-exempt stamp after
I've cancelled my Non-B. Having gone through this border so many times,
I remember that there's a Krung Thai Bank exchange booth with an ATM
right at the border. It's not even a 1-minute walk from Passport Control, I
believe. Would they allow me to go through to the ATM and check the
balance for them first if I should be asked to show them the money on
the spot?
One more question now.
Would I get stopped and asked some questions at the border posts if I
tried to come back to Thailand on a visa-exempt stamp after I have lived
here on a Non-B with a WP for more than a year? Would they suspect me
of going back to work illegally?
"Would they allow me to go through to the ATM and check the
balance..."
Of course they wouldn't, you cannot enter Thailand without being stamped in by Immigration and if you can't show that you have the funds, if they ask for that, you won't get that stamp.
You won't be quizzed about previous visas but even if you were, you would be able to explain it, wouldn't you?
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Theoretically the passport is "defaced" and not valid.
Best seek advice from your Embassy before attempting to use the passport again.
Theoretical nonsense, how many times do passports get "defaced" by staples securing arrival cards or 90 day report receipts and then torn slightly by their removal, or written on? The passport does not become invalid.
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So Embassy here must be different from other Embassies then seen this situation a few times all over the world and always the British Embassy has been there for people especially on two occasions where mental health issues were involves. Personally I would go to Embassy explain problems if they refuse help sit there don't move remember Embassy is British soil therefore cannot be arrested by Thai Police. Make sure someone goes with him with a camera. But I don't belive it will go that far I belive there would be help in the case of mental problems
The British embassy will not just let anyone walk in, you need a reason to be there and also have to get past security.
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Overstay bit might work hand himself in explain he can't pay overstay fine then deportation to UK. Might be an option
Won't work.
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Overstay bit might work hand himself in explain he can't pay overstay fine then deportation to UK. Might be an option
But you have to pay for your deportation, IDC will keep him locked up until he can pay for the ticket
...and the fine, immigration don't let you off that.
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I just want to know what the actual rules are concerning back-to-back visa runs? As far as I know, spending two/three weeks in Thailand during the past six months does not constitute visa running, or even visa overstaying.Has anyone come across a 'maximum 3 times' rule or anything similar to my situation?
Forget it.
Seems a little strange that your initial panic has eased and you now just want to discuss the back-to-back rules at the border. If you really have been denied entry discussion of the rules will be useless, go and get a visa.
When you say "maximum 3 times rule" surely you mean "maximum thrice rule"?
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There's obviously more to this incident, if indeed it's really happening.
The tour operator is not able to assist in negotiating with Immigration or at least explain to you what the problem is? If you're really there can you post a picture of the name of the crossing point that is probably staring you in the face?
Have you been asked to show sufficient funds and been unable to do so? Have you done something to warrant the immigration officer's refusing to stamp you in? Do you have the kind of appearance that would suggest something to the IO? If the answer's affirmative then you've already had all the advice that can be given, probably thrice. Get a proper visa or try another crossing point.
The tour operator is on the other side of the border, so I am unable to contact him (I was told that I would be greeted by a board).
They did not ask me anything else, but just inststed that I was a visa-runner, which can't be true since I have only been in Thailand for two/three weeks in the past six months.
Your tour operator doesn't have a phone number?
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Here is a method that will probably bring good results for you, it has been confirmed to work very well in the past.
Wait until there is a queue at the immigration office and then storm to the front pushing everyone else out of the way. Whilst using as many expletives as possible (the IO won't understand what you're saying but he will be taken aback and put off his stroke, so to speak) bang both your fists violently on the IO's window exclaiming that you're British and demand to be allowed in, as is your right under some international convention or other.
If that softly, softly approach doesn't seem to be working demand to see the highest ranking officer there and irately demand your rights from him. He will then meekly stamp you in and help you make arrangements for your onward travel as the tour bus has probably long since abandoned you.
If this doesn't work the first couple of times, try it thrice.
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you already got several answers. The local border immigration officials have the authority to deny entry. Now, care to state which border visa run service you used? What type of visa did you leave Thailand with? You said you stayed in Thailand for a few weeks during the past six months. Care to explain that timeline? The most recent weeks, three weeks duration five months ago? The timeline I think you are making up doesn't seem to fit a Visa exemption on arrival.
It wasn't a border run. I went on a tour to Angkor Wat. I have only used visa exemptions in Thailand.
The last time I was in Thailand was a few months ago, and that was only for a few week (just over two weeks). Prior to that my stays in Thailand was in 2014.
There's obviously more to this incident, if indeed it's really happening.
The tour operator is not able to assist in negotiating with Immigration or at least explain to you what the problem is? If you're really there can you post a picture of the name of the crossing point that is probably staring you in the face?
Have you been asked to show sufficient funds and been unable to do so? Have you done something to warrant the immigration officer's refusing to stamp you in? Do you have the kind of appearance that would suggest something to the IO? If the answer's affirmative then you've already had all the advice that can be given, probably thrice. Get a proper visa or try another crossing point.
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This is sounding spookily alike the infamous 'Stuck at airport' thread after the junta's crackdown-that-never-was last year, which ran multiple click bait pages until posters either sussed or got bored and left.
Maybe it's Thaivisa's new owner breaking himself in.
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If you're talking about 90 day reporting, you don't need to show a lease.
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"PS the british consulate and embassys in uk and mongolia were a complete waste of time i am disgusted by their..."
I'm surprised that you found a British embassy or consulate in the UK, where was it located?
Where you disgusted enough to refuse to take the emergency travel document that they issued to your passport-losing partner by which you were able to continue your travels?
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Did the OP get a receipt for the 200B.
I doubt it so once again its corruption, or ?
Of course it's corrupt, no-one is denying that, but the OP is no less corrupt as he was party to the transaction he's complaining about because he couldn't prove that he had 20,000 baht as required.
Do you think that the OP asked for confirmation in writing from the IO that he entered the country illegally having not satisfied the country's regulations?
Actually in this case whoever is forced to pay is being extorted of the money and is a victim of crime., because they are compelled to pay up to have a normal administrative act performed.
When an officer or public servant abuse the system and misuses regulations for their own interest the blame is on them 100%. Saying otherwise is being apologetic to the crime of corruption.
Also note, the cash requirement can be asked, but is not mandatory to have it, like for example having a valid passport. There is a big difference,
I'm not condoning corruption but he wasn't compelled to pay anything.
As the OP would like us all to think that he is a man of considerable means("...I said no problem and presented him my platinum Thai credit card...") he had the choice to walk away back over the border, go to an ATM and get the cash ready for the next entry attempt when he wouldn't have to pay the 200B.
He chose, as probably all of us would, to pay a bribe because he couldn't show the cash that the IO was requesting. Why didn't he protest? Possibly because he realised that had he protested he definitely wouldn't have been stamped in Or maybe he couldn't raise 20,000B on his credit card?
In practice I think you'll find that if an immigration officer asks for proof of funds then it will be mandatory to do show it.
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Did the OP get a receipt for the 200B.
I doubt it so once again its corruption, or ?
Of course it's corrupt, no-one is denying that, but the OP is no less corrupt as he was party to the transaction he's complaining about because he couldn't prove that he had 20,000 baht as required.
Do you think that the OP asked for confirmation in writing from the IO that he entered the country illegally having not satisfied the country's regulations?
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Proof of sufficient funds.. please tell me where that states that is has to be cash ?No. The rule is that you have to show cash. There's no "making up their own rules".If a Thai bank book were to be acceptable (which it's not), there would need to be a letter from the bank confirming the balance and a transaction in the book dated the same day if the letter is not dated the same day. Those are the standards which Immigration uses to accept a bank balance as proof of wealth.
The OP either didn't bother checking the rules or chose to ignore them, so having to pay the 200 baht is his own fault.
Otherwise your just hot air.
It doesn't have to be cash. Travellers cheques are also acceptable.
A bank book is not because it is not "proof of sufficient funds". The account holder could have withdrawn all the money and not updated the passbook.
I asked for proof.. not your interpretation. The 20k could be loaned from the local money lender too.
Officially where does it say it has to be cash ?
It's not just his interpretation, it's a fact, whether you know it or not. If you want to see the official regulation then perhaps you should do your own homework.
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Robin Reliant delboy.
Or a Cortina Ford, a Viva Vauxhall, or even a Regal Reliant. A Reliant Robin was a bit upmarket for Delboy.
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Think of the source. The Chao Phraya river. I'd hate to think of what's been dumped into it. Including chemical waste from upstream. Think of the credibility of the local government. Then, consider how well maintained the pipes are from the water plant to your source. One small crack can let all sorts of nasties in. Some 600 recently got sick in Rayong from tap water. I'll stick with the bottled water.
Think also that it's treated, not straight from the river.
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Let me guess a new rule only for farangs?
Obviously, why would a non-foreigner need confirmation of residency cert?
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Did you already have your extension stamp put in your passport? If so, maybe she wanted the paper desperately to cover her own ass...
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Perhaps. Yet a small gift would not only be appropriate, but potentially beneficial in the years to come.
Really nice to read a story like this. Might I suggest a nice food gift sent to her, but to be shared around her office.
Nice ideas in theory but possibly the most inappropriate thing to do.
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Obviously IOs cannot "make up law" but they are the ones, "as competent officials", who decide who gets permission to stay in Thailand, as stated in the Act you link to.
"Section 34 :