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  1. Ok. In general it isn't good. But TVF is a good example of this debate. TVF will remove your post if it links to an exteranal falsehood/conspiracy etc. If it's good for TVF, it should be ok for Twitter.
  2. I thnk they will stand their ground as he needs them more than they need him. Whatever the outcome of the spurious Executive Order he's announced, you can be sure it won't be resolved by November and after that? Well it just won't matter because he'll have much more to worry about when he's no longer POTUS.
  3. One last time for those at the back of the room and for the hard of hearing; THIS IS NOT CENSORSHIP. Trump is free to post whatever drivel he wants but from now on Twitter is putting a little sign at the bottom of his rantings saying things like 'Get the facts about mail-in ballots'. He is still free to post. He has not been supressed, he has not be prohibited from posting. Of the approx. 1000 proven instances of voter fraud out of a total voter turnout of some 138 million people who voted in 2016 (https://guides.libraries.psu.edu/post-election-2016/voter-turnout) you get to a whopping 0.0006%. In other words it's a non-issue but one that Trump and the GOP are keen to flog as it does not bode well for either him nor the GOP if there is a large voter turnout. The GOP have benefitted for years through gerrymandering, voter suppression and no/limited mail-in voting so the idea of this happening (and it looks more likely in the midst of a pandemic) fills them with absolute dread and is why Trump is punting this stance whilst also providing no evidence to back his claim. This is why it was rightly fact checked and flagged 'unsubstantiated'. The background of checkers is irrelavant as it's seldom just one person and well, a facts, a fact is a fact despite what Trump and his fans will try and make you beleive. And getting back to the main point, Trump hasn't been censored, he's been flagged for 'unsubstantiated' claims. He is still free to post on his media outlet of choice (including Twitter), he just can't keep spreading false information like he has done for many, many years without getting called out on it. This has got to be a step in the right direction.
  4. Enough of the straw man argument. We are not debating whether censorship is/isn't good (we all obviously know it isn't), we are debating whether what Twitter did to Trump was in fact censorship. It wasn't. And we have laid the 1st Argument case to rest as well thanks to ChouDoufu. Any chance you just be the bigger man and say Trump has no argument agaist FACT CHECKING which is in fact what has happened to him? You are entitled to your 'humble opinion'. You are not entitled to your facts.
  5. And why we are on the idea of the First Amendment, it is quite correct that the 1st Amendment allows free speach but it does not allow for no consequences from free speach. Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions I am not saying Trump has violated any of these (this time) but neither has Twitter by rightfully flagging his post and offering other facts to what is a VERY dubious claim. It's a good middle ground and should be actively encouraged.
  6. One last time for those at the back of the room and for the hard of hearing; THIS IS NOT CENCORSHIP. Trump is free to post whatever drivel he wants but from now on Twitter is putting a little sign at the bottom of his rantings saying things like 'Get the facts about mail-in ballots'. He is still free to post. He has not been supressed, he has not be prohibited from posting. I understand reading comprehension is difficult for many Trump fans but surely even this can be understood.
  7. Good idea. May I recommend a dictionary for your bedtime reading?
  8. Webster dictionary Censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable. His tweet hasn’t been suppressed (it’s still there), it hasn’t been deleted (it’s still there). It’s simply been fact checked which isn’t censorship.
  9. What is there to “understand “? You are insisting he is being censored, I’m saying he isn’t. I’m correct, you’re wrong. And believe it or not, integrity is greater than money for many. Something that Trump fans don’t ever seem to understand.
  10. That is still his prerogative. If fully censored he wouldn’t have that choice. What aren't you understanding?
  11. So by your logic Al Qaeda, the PLO, Boko Haram, all other terrorist organisations, pedophiles, necrophiliacs, bestialty and all other offensive content should be allowed or is censorship not right just when it suits you and your views?
  12. Censorship is defined as suppression or prohibition. Neither has happened to Trump.
  13. He has not been censored. His 'facts' have been flagged as 'unsubstantiated'. He is still free to post whatever nonsense he usually does, but now Twitter is saying the equivalent of 'we don't think this is true and this is why'. Big difference to censorship.
  14. Oooooh, so close. For the first time ever you have actually disagreed with Trump on this forum, but in the importal words of Frank & Nancy Sinatra ' and then you go and spoil it all by saying somethin' stupid like, 'Hopefully, at some point, people will tire of the Twitter, Facebook et al thought police and launch sites where freedom of speech isn't just for leftists.' There's so many sites just for your non-leftist views; Breitbart, FoxNews.com, The Daily Caller, Infowars, Newsmax, The Blaze etc etc that if you are struggling to find a 'reliable' right wing sources heres a list for you https://www.therighting.com/conservative-website-traffic-december-2017-top-twenty. You're welcome.
  15. As many others have pointed out to you, '1071 proven instances of voter fraud' out of a total voter turnout of some 138 million people who voted in 2016 (https://guides.libraries.psu.edu/post-election-2016/voter-turnout) represents a meager 0.0006%. In other words it's a non-issue but one that Trump and the GOP are keen to flog 'that mail-in ballots will be anything less that substantially fraudulent' as more voters do not bode well for either him nor the GOP. The GOP have benefitted for years through gerrymandering, voter suppression and no/limited mail-in voting so the idea of this happening (and it looks more likely in the midst of a pandemic) fills them with absolute dread and is why Trump is punting this stance whilst also providing no evidence to back his claim. This is why it was rightly fact checked and flagged 'unsubstantiated'. With ant-vaxxers, dangerously false claims regarding C19, wild conspiracy theories and even the likes of flat-earthers, misinformation has thrived with social media, so social media has rightly come under a great deal of pressure to regulate it's content more thoroughly. Twitter has taken a stance of being more accountable for it's content, hence the flagging of this post. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to use it. It is entirely hypocritical of Trump and Trump devotees to insist in one minute that you cannot let the likes of Al Qaeda, the PLO, Boko Haram etc spout their violent ideologies, hatred and lies but more home grown lies and misinformation from Trump are allowed. You can't have it both ways. And finally, Trump hasn't been censored, he's been flagged for 'unsubstantiated' claims. He is still free to post on his media outlet of choice, he just can't keep spreading false information like he has done for many, many years without getting called out on it. This has got to be a step in the right direction.
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