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16 hours ago, elviajero said:
There’s no problem extending your current entry by 30 days. Any entry can be extended. You won’t “void the visa”.
You can apply at any office, but must use an address within the catchment area of the office you apply at. No proof of address is required at Chaengwattana, not sure about Samut Prakan.
Great, thanks!
I'm also considering doing the extension in Jomtien or Pattaya, as I might be headed there within the validity time and it could possibly save me some time (got at least one hour single journey to Chaengwattana). Would it be possible to use a hotel as the address there? Don't have any proof of address as I'm in an AirBnb in Bangkok.
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I'm in Bangkok on a METV and want to extend my current entry with 30 days. This is not my last entry, I'm still gonna go out/come back one more time in march. Just wanna make sure there's no problem extending an entry even though it's not the last entry I'll make. I heard someone claim that it might void the Visa if I make an extension, but to me that sounds like BS.. am I right?
Also, where is better to go for an extension, Samut Prakan or Chaengwattana? Is it even possible for me to extend at Samut Prakan? Someone said the lines are much shorter there.
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Last year I tried these chocolate covered coffee beans that were available in every 7-eleven, now I can't find them anymore. Does anybody know if they're still available somewhere (in Bangkok)?
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Walked into the new Century The Movie Plaza in OnNut the other day - walked out within 5 minutes due to the obnoxious promotionlady with microphone and PA system. Not to mention the below freezing point aircon blasting at full speed. Honestly I can not for the life of me figure out what is going on in the heads of the Thais sitting and eating in that temperature and noise... hopefully it's just a phase due to the grand opening...
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In the place I'm staying, there is one yellow bin marked "Trash" and a green one labelled "Garbage". I'm not a native English speaker, so the difference is not obvious to me. From what I could find online, the difference is that "garbage" would be "wet" waste from kitchen/bathroom, while "trash" would be other things you're throwing away. Is this the correct interpretation in Thailand as well?
Then there's the second part - how should I sort my trash? In my home country I would sort it into compostable waste, plastic containers, paper containers, metal containers, newspapers, clear glass, colored glass, electronics, "burnable", etc... Not to mention recycling PET bottles and aluminium cans!
So how does it work in Thailand? I usually crush my plastic bottles and put them in a separate bag in the trash, imagining that some guy who will sort it later would find that helpful. But then I heard someone say that people actually recycle bottles - so should I not crush them? It's there any point in sorting different stuff into different bags (glass, plastic, metal)? Or will it all end up in the same pile? I believe I've seen garbage collectors sorting stuff on the truck, but I have no idea how they sort it...
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Can now confirm that it was enough to show a photo of the work permit on the phone to get the Thai entry fee at Ancient City. Also, after 4pm it's half price (Foreigner 350 baht, Thai 175 baht).
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Can anyone confirm if a photo (in your phone) of your original work permit is usually valid to get the lower entrance fee at places like Ancient City, national parks, etc? The original is with my employer, so I can't get to it to go to Ancient City this weekend - didn't realize they had double pricing until I looked at their website.
I tried calling Ancient City, but after 5 minutes I gave up and just accepted that the english vocabulary of the entire staff is limited to "hello" and "speak Thai"...
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Getting back on topic - it seems even the Royal Crematorium, which I would think would be one of the most sensitive places in Thailand right now, isn't spared from less -than-5-star reviews.
What do you reckon will happen to this disgruntled Royal Crematorium visitor?
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49 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
Just because your lucky enough not to see one whilst you enjoy your dinner, doesn't mean they aren't there which is also fact....
True. But again - the power of crowd reviewing lies in the difference between the restaurant where 1/100 reviews mention cockroach sightings, and the one where 20/100 does... and then there's the other factors, such as how did the owners and staff deal with the situation, when did the sightings take place (where they all around the same time a year ago, or do they occur frequently?), etc.
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11 hours ago, rufanuf said:
But isnt this the problem with reviews? If you read them something like 90% + are just opinions, theres no actual facts there. They are all based on a personal perception/experience. That's why I place NO value on either reading them or receiving them. Even the reviews with facts in do not mean those facts apply to the next customer. It was one persons experience nothing more. Then an individual comes along and writes a REALLY factual review...like a competitor or a disgruntled employee who will use anything negative they know about to try and cause your business damage, and that review takes prominence in the review readers mind. The only counter to this is hundreds and hundreds of positive reviews, so then big businesses resort to professional review writers and the overall picture about that business becomes very cloudy indeed. Small business then become disadvantaged as they don't have the same marketing budget to pay people to write nonsense all day long. If your using reviews to make your judgement calls as to which service you choose that's your choice, but word of mouth from friends, colleagues and even customers is a far better way to find great service and great products.
This is getting absurd. Anyone who is not a complete moron will understand that not everyone will have the exact same experience at any given place, not even in the same day. You're arguing that since one person might not have the exact same experience at any given place, there is zero value in reading about their experience.
I agree that it's troublesome that competitors can write false reviews (and that establishments can fabricate good ones), but since that's the reality we live in the best option is to encourage all your customers to leave a fair review so that the fake ones are in minority. I believe people can often spot fake reviews, and those who can't probably don't use the those sites anyway.
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Isn't that what all of those types of online markets do? I've never used Shopee or Lazada, but I have bought a lot of (cheap) stuff on eBay and AliExpress over the years and the few times that there has been a problem it's been up to the seller in question to refund or resend. They all claim to have "buyer protection" and whatnot, but I'm sure that if you read the fine print they won't be applicable in many cases. Good for buying cheap stuff - would never buy a phone there.
Personally I don't really get why anyone would want to buy a smartphone anywhere else than at an official retailer (especially in Thailand where consumer protection isn't exactly up to european standards). To me it seems that phones are the number 1 item that are often tampered with, defect, refurbished, or otherwise something funky with if you buy at a discount price from an unofficial source. I bought a Samsung phone once in MBK - confirmed to be original by the Samsung service center there - and still ended up with a phone that was at best refurbished and repackaged (which I didn't realize until months later, when things started falling apart on it).
Good luck with that repair in Pantip... and maybe next time go to an official retailer.
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9 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
Firstly. So this is your review of the review industry right? And it's different to mine. So who is right? I am saying it's a shit service, based on my research your saying its useful. It's all still just opinion. So we could argue then that its the "majority opinion" that becomes useful to gain a picture of a service or product, but if it then comes to light that this mass opinion is subject to mass manipulation are you still so sure that its useful?
As I have stated already in this thread, our business keeps getting "certificates of excellence" and we have multiple 5 star overall reviews. Did I buy them or did I earn them? Whats the difference? You don't know, so how can this information be useful to you?
Personally I believe I can tell a fake review from a real one most of the time, but I can see how more novice internet users could be duped.
There are ways for review platforms to detect fake reviews, see for example this story about potentially bought IMDb ratings. Also, if one platform is found to not deal with fake reviews then eventually people will stop trusting it and move on to ones that are better equipped to do so. That's part of the reason I personally don't use TripAdvisor anymore, it seems that most of the stories about questionable reviews are related to that particular platform.
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3 minutes ago, rufanuf said:Your first post on this thread seemed to be focused on obtaining personal gain in return for reviews, not on doing a public service.
That's your interpretation, I think most people would interpret it differently though.
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1 hour ago, rufanuf said:
I think if they removed reviewers rights to staying anonymous a lot of the flaws in the review industry would be solved
This I actually do agree with.
But of course that would only work if you're in a country that has realistic defamation laws and a fair judicial process... so back to square one...
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I agree with the OP that it's a problem when people start relying more on asking for donations than taking precautions and responsibility themselves, but as has already been mentioned in this topic there will always be cases where either expenses that the traveller thought were covered by their insurance is not, or unforeseen medical conditions that need urgent funding.
As someone who has a valid motorbike drivers license, an international driving permit, a valid travel insurance, wears a helmet, and usually tries to read the insurance fine print and ask questions about what is covered and what is not, I cringe a bit every time a new "scooter accident victim in Thailand asking for donations" pops up.
Then I remember the first time I came to Thailand as a young and dumb version of myself, without either a motorbike drivers license nor international driving permit and still rented a scooter because I saw everybody driving around on these things that look just like mopeds, which don't require a drivers license in my home country. Also, my friends who had been here before said "no problem" and I was too stupid to believe it. Knowing what's included and what is not in an insurance policy sometimes feels like trying to decipher the Thai alphabet, so I can actually understand that some (especially younger) folks end up thinking they are covered even though they're not, especially since policies vary from company to company regarding what's considered a "high risk activity".
Having said that, I leave it to the family, friends and acquaintances of the victim to sort out the funding.
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10 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
If a lesson in how it worked was required then you wrote it well. But actually which society is more backwards? The one that discourages public humiliation, or the ones that allow it? I think Thailand's defamation laws keep things civil in the public domain, it's hard to argue that's bad thing, and I suspect it comes out of the Thai culture of respect. If you have a legitimate grievance with a supplier perhaps its better off being dealt with one on one and privately?
You're a business owner in Thailand, right? Then what's the problem? Just sue the ones who give you a bad review, problem solved. Good luck with that...
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11 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
This guy is saying he wrote a damaging review because he felt his partner was being treated like a bargirl. Define then how a Bargirl should be treated in comparison to the privelaged one? I thought everyone deserved the same levels of respect and decency? So this business got a negative review because the world is full of Bigots? Is that really fair?
First of all, neither of us are qualified to comment on his review since we have no idea what he wrote. He could have given 4 stars instead of 5 for all I know, I certainly wouldn't consider that a negative or damaging review, if the actual text in his review reflects reality.
Second of all, no, that place got a negative review because it apparently treats bargirls as lesser humans than the rest - i.e. it got what it deserved.
9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:There's a lot of irrelevant posts above on this topic...
Here's the problems with defamation in Thailand, as pertaining to online reviews.
1. Unlike more modern countries where defamation is a civil offense, here in Thailand it also can be a criminal offense. And, it doesn't require the police and/or prosecutors to be the ones to initiate a criminal defamation case, although they certainly can. A private party by themselves can initiate a criminal defamation case against you, which considerably lowers the bar and removes any notion of government discretion on whether the case is warranted.
2. As far as the defamation law here is concerned, again unlike more modern countries, the truthfulness of something put out in the public domain is not considered an absolute defense. Here in Thailand, something can be absolutely true, and you can still be found guilty of criminal defamation, meaning a potential jail sentence, if it's found that your assertion caused harm to the reputation of your accuser. Is that really a judgment you want to leave in the hands of Thailand's esteemed judiciary???
My best sense of this is, typically, bigger public facing companies don't bring these kinds of criminal defamation cases because they have their reputation on the line, and don't want to look like they're trying to jail their customers. More often, it seems to be the private party individual or small business owner who feels aggrieved and wants to go to court over it. But either way, Thai law allows it, and that's potentially a very dangerous thing.
Thanks for getting the thread back on topic.
I couldn't really find any documented cases where someone has been sued for writing a potentially damaging review online though? (except when it relates to the monarchy, or when journalists are involved). Are there any?
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5 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
You honestly wrote a negative review about this? I rest my case BadCash!
Define "negative review" first. Is anything that is not 5 stars (i.e. 4, 3, 2, 1 star) a "negative" review? Personally I would define a "negative review" as 2 stars or less.
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27 minutes ago, rufanuf said:
The world would be a better place if people where not given a platform by which to defame anything they decide is not to their taste. Yes I am business owner and developer too. Our business has a ***** rating on Trip Advisor. It doesn't make TripAdvisor any better though does it? I mean they always wash their hands of what they publish anyhow....sadly though the general public often make their decisions on ONE bad review as opposed to hundreds of good ones, and much of what is written amounts to no more than some ones subjective opinion which is exactly what TripAdvisor uses to exclude itself from responsibility for what it allows to be published on its useless platform.
You should try reading some of the horror stories at the hands of Trip Advisor and other "beyond the law" internet platforms. Its an eye opener. Some perfectly responsible and capable business owners have been ruined by it unfairly.
Not sure if I am allowed to type a link here but try typing in Google tripadvisor warning dot com.
Thanks, I'll have a look at that warning website.
Personally I don't use TripAdvisor any more because of two reasons:
1. I find the opposite to be true - people on Tripadvisor are hyping everything up. Even if something is just "ok" or "nice" there will be a lot of "amazing!" and "spectacular!" reviews. It's like they've never left their houses before. One effect of this is that the top "things to do" anywhere in Thailand will always be temples, temples, and another temple. Come on, they are rarely the most interesting attraction in any area, especially if you've been here more than a few days.
2. Locations on TripAdvisor are always - literally 100% of the time in my experience - incorrect. On the rare occasion that I do use Tripadvisor, I always find out the location on Google Maps so I don't have to spend hours driving around looking for a place that's not there.
Not sure how Google Maps stands up to the criticism you have for Tripadvisor, but as a reviewer they are very fast to either approve or deny edits to place details at least.
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18 minutes ago, rufanuf said:You perhaps ought to be asking yourself a different question. Why you wish to post negative reviews about a business? Would it not be simpler simply to vote with your feet and never return? There's an old saying that goes "If you haven't got something positive to say, don't say anything at all." Its conventional wisdom that proceeds the internet by about ten thousand years, and generally is the right way to deal with society.
If your a business owner and you have had ANY negative reviews on these pathetic websites you would feel as though it is grossly unfair if you are simply doing your best to make your way in the world. I actually don't think Thai defamation laws are insane AT ALL. I think it's right to suggest that publicly bad mouthing someones right to try and earn a crust by providing a service or facility should never be open to MASS criticism, which is effectively what the internet allows, and the parasite organisation that live off this criticism ought to be shut down. You try righting something negative on Trip Advisor about Tripadvisor. See how far it gets you!
Yeah, the world would be a better place if all businesses on Google Maps had only 5 star ratings - the decision making process of choosing business A or B would be a lot easier!
Seriously though, I get that you're probably a business owner who've had unfair bad reviews - I'm a developer who've had my share of unfair reviews online as well. But I actually found that most people give honest and good feedback - so the average would be quite accurate even if there are some morons leaving a 1 star review because they were too stupid to even read what they're buying. I think most platforms allow business owners to post a reply to reviews though, which I always do to help others avoid the mistake that the 1-star guy did.
At the end of the day, if you're really doing your best with your business, a few bad reviews simply wouldn't affect you since the good ones will be in majority. Otherwise it probably means you're doing something wrong, so learn from the criticism and improve instead of blaming the reviewers. The reviews are valuable feedback not only for potential customers, but for you as a business owner as well. You might be alerted to misbehaving employees etc.
If I had a real world business like a restaurant, I would hand out a QR code that links to Google Maps, Facebook, Tripadvisor - you name it - along with the check, so that more people would review my place. Getting more people to review would improve the accuracy of the average, drowning out the few potential morons who leave bad reviews because of something petty. But to each his own.
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1 hour ago, dotpoom said:
I listen to my local "phone in" programme from back home daily (Western Europe). As you might imagine, a lot of the callers are complaining about something or other.
The most frequently used remark by the show's host is..."please don't mention any names".
So I guess it's not just Thailand.
I always thought that was because they're not allowed to give any unfair advantage/disadvantage to commercial businesses on public radio? At least where I'm from the radio hosts will be quick to add "and there are of course many other companies selling XYZ" if some caller mentions a business by name. It got real funny a few years back when radio shows started having their own Facebook pages - for a while they were like "visit us on that big social network site - but remember that there are other sites like it as well" ?
I think they've either changed the regulations or found a loophole by now though, because now they tell you to go to Facebook, Twitter and whatnot at the end of most shows....
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1 hour ago, Lamkyong said:
Please who or what are Shoppe ?
Here you go: https://www.google.co.th/search?safe=off&q=shoppee+thailand and https://shopee.co.th/
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I read in a topic here that a poster was advised not to post the name of a place where he had a negative experience (he was scammed), because of supposedly "insane" defamation laws in Thailand. Several of the replies seemed to indicate that there is a substantial risk of being sued for defamation by posting a negative review of a business on Tripadvisor, Google Maps, etc. even if the review is true. Some even recommending never posting anything negative about any business in Thailand (which of course defeats some of the purpose of sites like Tripadvisor, Google Maps, hotel booking sites, etc.).
Are there any documented cases of this happening in Thailand?
Also, I found this article where a guy in the US was sued by a hotel for slandering them on Tripadvisor. So I'm wondering, what makes the defamation laws in Thailand "crazy" compared to other countries?
I'm a pretty active reviewer (mostly on Google Maps), and of course once in awhile you have negative experiences - sometimes even catastrophic ones. Should I be worried about posting my experiences online??
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I'm planning on going to Thailand in October and back home for christmas. For various practical reasons, the most convenient dates for travelling mean that I would spend about 70 days in Thailand. The thought of standing in line at immigration and paying 2000 baht for an extension which I will only use 1/3 of doesn't seem that appealing... are there any better/cheaper alternatives when only staying slightly more than 60 days? Thought I've seen something about a 7 day extension somewhere?
Thai massage therapists job offer
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the ad, but doesn't "Salary: first year 1000 € in hand with contract" mean a guaranteed minimum salary of €1000 per month? Plus €400-600 in commission and tips, then €350 for accomodation sounds reasonable?