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16 minutes ago, internationalism said:
Yes, that is wrong english translation on the foreign ministry website. Think about serious diplomatic relations being screwed up by wrong googletranlation.
apparently, some consulates have different wording on their own sites, the correct one and within the spirit of this ruleI think the FAQ is Thai is worded wrong. If some consulate has a different FAQ or similar, it would be helpful so that people if someone could post so people could print it out.
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On 12/24/2021 at 2:09 AM, internationalism said:
"within 72 hours after the original flight time"
does anybody know if arrival is also possible 72h before the original time?
I have read ubonjoe replies, but if during check in they would demand an official wording they might be not happy with "after".
it would make sense to offer full flexibility and offer also within this time window.
Possibly english translation is not correct and should be "before or after"?
72 hours before or after seems entirely reasonable as there could easily be a flight cancelled and an earlier one being the only option. They aren't trying to hit a quota per day, only to pre-screen that people have assembled the required documents and fulfilled requirements. I scanned mine and the only dates are the issue date and expiration date. The cert itself has the arrival date. It would be nice if they just added "within 72 hours of..."
The Thai is "หลังเวลาของเที่ยว" which Google translated as "after the time of travel". Though they seem to have had a person do the Thai government website and added "original." Since the government website has a translated version above the Thai version, the gate agents could only really go by the English already there, unless they read Thai and it was possibly "before and after".
A problem is the airline staff have to be the enforcer at the time of boarding. So it could go smoothly or not. I had to delay a day and on the original day the counter staff at JAL were saying I needed to apply again. I found the reference and printed that out for the next day and did not reapply.
When I was at check in, I had an agent who I had talked to the day before who was much more understanding of how often things can end up one day or the next. So I did not need to talk him into it. However, the next lane over, they told the guy that they would allow him to board with the one day difference, but he must apply for the Thailand Pass while waiting to board the flight so that it would be in the system by the time he reaches Thailand.
I did the same just in case, but it did not matter. I had the new one by the time I reached Tokyo, but did not tell anyone since they looked at the printed old one and accepted it. The priority in BKK seemed to be on helping people fill out the health paperwork and not scrutinizing everything. There was nowhere where anyone in Thailand scanned it and checked anything against any information provided.
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There are two different FAQ about Thailand Pass. It appears that the first one said that changes can't be done, and the second says flight changes within 72 hours are ok.
First from October:
Second from December:
Thailand Pass FAQs - Department of Consular Affairs Ministry of Foreign Affairs (mfa.go.th)
- Yes. However, flight changes are permitted within 72 hours after the original flight time registered in the Thailand Pass without the need to apply for a new Thailand Pass QR Code, provided that all other required documents remain valid.
Unfortunately they added that vague sentence at the end "provided that all other required documents remain valid." Which brings up the question in my situation of I had to change the hotel reservations dates, so the original documents are no longer valid. The gate agents were leaning toward I need to reapply, which would be fine, except I'm going back to the airport in less than 12 hours. One told me to call the consulate using what I think is a number intended for airlines, and of course the guy there said my situation was ok, and then I said, I don't know if it is posted anywhere, but if they called you tomorrow, could you verify? And he said it is on the Thailnd Pass website. So I searched and found the second FAQ. There is a .pdf download at the bottom that repeats what is on the page.
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I've never seen that mentioned on lists of requirements and my test last December for USA to Thailand travel did not have it. I just did another test for a trip in a couple days from the same lab and it doesn't have it either. I'll know soon if there's an issue.
The IATA website states "a Covid-19 RT-PCR test result issued at most 72 hours before departure from the first embarcation point. The test result must be in English or Thai."
Though note, they've forgotten to specify negative test result. JAL, which I'm flying on, says "Travelers must have a negative COVID-19 RT-PCR test result. The result must be issued a maximum of 72 hours before departure to Thailand. "
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On 12/14/2021 at 1:55 PM, wn78 said:
No cloth masks at all? Does it have to be a disposable surgical type of KN95 mask?
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I wore a cloth mask from December to June, while I was there. The quarantine hotel even gave a cloth mask at check in last December, though that was a bit small and uncomfortable to wear. I believe most people don't use them because they don't want to keep cleaning them. I just boil water and leave it in a coffee cup then hang to dry.
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1 hour ago, SunsetT said:
I used travel travel insurance for a COE from the UK for a 90 day O retirement visa last year and re-entry permit this year.
That's good to know. If I had planned ahead a bit more, I might try that route. The only concern I have is coverage for mandated quarantine without symptoms or minimal symptoms, since I don't think that is "reasonable and customary" care. However, some travel policies this year include "charges for hospital confinement" in costs they will reimburse. But it takes a long time to find wording that seems to work.
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1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:
Others have used travel it insurance to get a COE or now the Thailand Pass.
You could use the insurance that is offered on this site. https://covid19.tgia.org/
Thanks. I was using a link from a commercial AQ website and they directed to an AXA website, which is what I thought I used last year. But now I realize I had looked at AXA to consider changing visas.
I looked for a link at the DC embassy website and LA Consulate and couldn't find one this year. Those websites have been so edited on the fly that they're confusing now.
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Has travel insurance worked to qualify for entry? (I am aware of the issue that it might not cover quarantine without symptoms or with only minimal symptoms.)
The reason I ask is I just tried the AXA website for the Thailand insurance. Last year I received a policy just fine. This year, it says I'm not qualified for the policy. The only thing different is I'm a year older but nowhere close to the limt of 75. Also I take meds for blood pressure and cholseterol, but not even high doses. I'm pretty sure they asked the medical question last year as well, and I'm taking the same.
I do have regular health insurance, but getting a document from them specifying a certain minimum dollar amount of coverage for covid isn't going to happen.
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On 11/26/2021 at 10:56 PM, ubonjoe said:
I think 12 is just a statement that does not require anything after reading it again.
You enter your address on another line.
On the upload page, they are all required uploads. They have red asterisks next to them. Attached .pdf. I'm going to just do passport page if that works. I was worried they were going to ask for house title or lease agreement, or similar. I also considered driver license like the OP, though mine has an old address, but only 10 miles away from the new. Which should be ok since it is still a legal license, but I'll go with passport and try to avoid non matching info.
If left out it will give an error for 12 "Please upload a applicant must apply for e-visa via specific embassy/consulate conforming with his/her consular jurisdiction and residency. applicant is required to upload document that can verify his/her current residency."
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5 minutes ago, BKKTRAVELER said:Even if you didn't make it today, you would probably just get a 500 baht fine overstay tomorrow and get your extension done. But still, to be safe rush and you should be good today. And say sorry many times, always help.
I never dealt with immigration until this year, but from the recommendations, I always dressed up and am polite. But every renewal, one or more of the others has been wearing t shirts and shorts, t shirts and sweats, or even a tank top and sweat pants, with a baseball cap. But I also was never even been asked any questions, and sailed on through, so I guess it does pay to dress up and act polite.
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You can eat out. A relatively low percentage of places are closed.
Others have spaced all the tables out with only one chair so that they don't seem to allow people to eat together. Not sure if they'd let people move a chair and sit together.
But places with booths seem to have people eating together. And also at restaurants that haven't cleared out so many tables.
My general impression is that when they allowed dine in again as of Monday, the restaurants really embraced it. They really want that extra business.
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2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:
The day your current extension ends.
You can make an appointment to do it here. http://203.151.166.132/immigrant_queue/booking/
I had mixed experience in Bangkok. First covid ext was from the date of application. They asked if I wanted to do it that day the first time since I was 10 days before the tourist visa extension expired and they said it would be from that day. I did because I had paid the tollway and half tank of gas for a friend to drive me there and I was planning on leaving the country quickly.
The second one, I waited until 2 days before the expiration so that it wouldn't matter so much whether they used expiration date of application date. And the date is 60 days from the end of the first, not the date I applied. So maybe leaving too much time until expiration the first time led them to use that date.
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4 hours ago, SodaManao777 said:
I was told today at Chaengwattana that proof of a 90 day report was needed to apply for a new COVID extension. I was instructed to go to MTT and file for one.
I am on a Non-imm B that was cancelled in September 2020 when I lost my job due to a layoff. Since then, I have been on 60 day COVID extensions. I was not aware that these extensions required 90 day reporting. My former company filed my last 90 day report in September 2020. It has never been mentioned when applying for an extension before.
I went to MTT and the first officer I spoke with said COVID extensions did not need 90 day reports, but then he told me to talk with another officer who told me the 90 reporting was in fact overdue and I still should have been filing them because my (cancelled) visa is a Non-imm B. It was a contradiction between the two officers in about 60 seconds. I raised the fact that the previous officer has just told me it wasn't required and the new officer seemed a bit angry.
They were asking for a 2000 baht fine in order to get straight with the 90 day reporting. This seems to be contradictory to what is in this thread as well. Is there anything I can point to in the immigration's own published guidelines that supports this? It would save me 2000 baht I suppose.
I didn't pay today, because I also require a TM30 this time around. This is due to obtaining my last extension in Surat Thani while on a getaway. The first time I have ever dealt with a TM30 and trying to navigate that as well now too.
Clarification on this 90 report fine would be appreciated. Thanks.
For tourist visa extensions of stay, they haven't required it. However, with the visa you entered on or were last on, you were in the normal procedures, with at least one 90 day being filed. So that's probably why you'll have to do them. It is expected for your visa type. Even if cancelled, it is the ability to stay on that visa that is being extended.
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I was all set to do a 90 day earlier this month on a tourist visa, but was told here i didn't need to. So i didn't, and I received a second covid extension after that date and they didn't mention it. The 60 day cycle means you're reporting your address more frequently than 90 day reports would do. So they seem to realize and accept that. I have had a different hotel address on each extension application.
For clarification, the immigration website (English version) says that the first application for extension counts as a 90 day report, so that was a bit under 60 days in country in my case. So counting from that was 30 day extension, and first 60 day extension. Around the time of the application for the second covid extension was when i was going to do the 90 day report. But it was less than 150 days in country at that point. Which i think is one of the reasons they have not required it for tourist visas. It will always be off the day count that normal long term stays are on. And with the extensions in Bangkok going from the application date, it gets even further off the extension renewal cycle. Tourists would be in the office nearly every month.
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4 hours ago, darksidedog said:
Snip .. I don't know anywhere else where simply doing your job justifies such publicity.
You haven't watched US live press conferences at the scene of incidents . They spend half an hour congratulating other government employees or their own employees on how great a job they are doing or did. Then each new speaker ads new people they'd like to thank or commend. If there's a politician involved if it's even worse. It gets left out if they run the info later because no one wants to see that part of it, but it isn't just in Thailand.
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1 hour ago, Surelynot said:
Surely these are fitted with all sorts of alarms and shouldn't they have known beforehand what the crane is licensed to lift........what am I thinking?
May not be a capability issue. It is sitting on relatively loose fill. You can see the metal plates where the back legs were sitting. They're on top of maybe concrete columns laying on the ground to distribute the weight even more. But where were the front ones sitting? On the left, if they're visible, it looks like it was pushed down. There's not a greyish square metal plate.
Unless the entire thing was slid forward and those are the pads for the front legs. But there's no gouging from the feet dragging or wheels dragging.
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28 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
If you stay in Thailand for 90 consecutive days, then you either have to report to Immigration or leave the Country, dependant on the Visa type you entered on.
In the case of entering on a Non O Visa, permitting a 90 day stay, then applying for your first extension of stay, the visit is counted as a report and Immigration should issue you a with a 90 day report receipt of the next due date.
Why you would even take copies of Immigrations notice is beyond me.
The reason I asked us all the 90 day reporting threads are people with non O or similar visas.
But not everyone staying over 90 is on a non O these days. A tourist visa, which i have, is 60 days, plus a 30 days extension. Plus a covid extension is very common. Some places may go to covid extension right after the first 60 days.
So on day 80, when i applied for the covid extension, it is clear I'm going to stay over 90 days. And the website says the first application counted as a 90 day notification, so it sounds like a reasonable regulation. I may have been too informed for my own good by looking it up at the website.
I'm going to be taking a print out with me because that's what I was going by. Maybe I'll get a fine or maybe someone will accept it, but I at least won't look like I was blowing it off.
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Per the English version of the Thai Immigration website under 90 day reporting, this is true:
"5. The first application for extension of stay by the foreigner is equivalent to the notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days."
But when I decided to print the Thai version to take with me for the report as well as the English version (to explain why I don't have a 90 day return receipt), I found out the Thai version does not have this line. So my guess is the rules changed at some point and the Thai version of the website was changed, but not the English. But maybe it was the other way around??
Here's the English version #5 right in the first section:
Notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days – สำนักงานตรวจคนเข้าเมือง – Immigration Bureau
And the Thai version:
การรับแจ้งอยู่ในราชอาณาจักร เกิน 90 วัน – สำนักงานตรวจคนเข้าเมือง – Immigration Bureau
In the Thai one, #5 disappears and #4 becomes a double asterisk item below the first 3.
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I was wrong about them putting a "few" per bus. It looks like they put more on each bus because they use big buses.
Go to 1:57 of this video from the LA Consulate about State Quarantine and they're having people get on the bus from the airport. Double decked buses and from the people already on, maybe seated every 4th row, and probably staggered on the opposite side. Guessing maybe 12 per bus and in that case at least 2 buses to one hotel (Ambassador).
Ambassador is on the ASQ list as well for 45,000 for a 25 sq m room and 49,000 for 60 sq m 1 bedroom. I think I'd go the extra 4,000 for the much larger room if I were staying there.
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Probably just logistics and cost. With just a limited number of repatriation flights, they only have to arrange for transportation and lodging on about 2 flights per week from the Asian carriers and Ehiad and Qatar. Plus whatever others may come out of Europe. I doubt they only put 1 person per van when going to a state paid quarantine. Probably buses, each with a few people all going to the same hotel. One person could probably keep up with tracking changes and making arrangements. Then there's only a presence needed at the airport for several hours for each flight.
If they allowed Thais to come in on any flight they could, then it is a lot of coordination to do and it would be 24/7. It may be several people arriving spread out over the course of a day, almost every day of the week. The current semi-commercial flight list has 10 daily flights and maybe on average 10 more flights per day depending on the day. That means someone to meet them and a van or vans depending on how many on that flight are going to state quarantine. And then all the arrangements with the hotels.
People would have to constantly update changes and then somehow they have to track who makes it onto their flight and then they could cancel vans and hotels if missed. That's a lot more expense in payroll and transportation.
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On 7/8/2020 at 1:20 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:
And so your point is??? It's OK for them to die from CV, because they're older and have other health conditions... Basically meaning, probably like most of the TFV membership.
I never quite follow these incessant claims by some that those who die from CV are (mostly) all elderly and with health issues. Even to the extent that's true, that doesn't mean that the YOUNG and HEALTHY won't catch the virus, some get sick, and even if they don't, will inevitably spread the virus to those around them, both young and old.
The point is anytime ANYONE comes down with the virus --unless they totally isolate themselves which in most cases is unlikely to happen -- it's bad for society at large, because the virus continues to spread, infecting more people, and causing illness and death to some share of those.
BTW, do you have any authority/citation for your 99% claim, which I find very unlikely to believe.
Here's a link to New York City's info, which is a rare source with underlying conditions as part of the data shown. NYC is probably a good overview as only 7 countries in the world have higher deaths than NYC all by itself, and they have a very diverse range of ages and ethnicities there.
They used to break out numbers by condition, but no longer do. I believe diabetes was the most common, with high blood pressure, and heart conditions also right around the top. Also, obesity did not used to be considered an existing condition, so it may not be included now.
Go to the "Confirmed Cases" section about half way down on the Deaths page and click the "Underlying conditions" bubble.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-deaths.page
You'll end up with about 88% with underlying conditions overall, less than 1 percent without underlying conditions, and 12 % pending.
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I don't know if they're still made with the same stuff, but when I was a kid, we would mess around by carrying the coils on foil and the mosquitoes would drop dead right out of the air onto the foil. The foil was just there to catch the ashes, but when we noticed a few dead ones on it, we of course had to try to see if it was really from the smoke. You could try it with the ones you have now to see if they kill as effectively as they used to or are more of a deterrent.
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Check it out for yourself here. There is no six month rule.
Yeah. Thanks I'll bookmark that. Also saw reference from a 2013 thread that it is no longer required or not required.
Passport required.- Passports issued to nationals of USA must be valid for the
period of intended stay.
But then there's places like the website of the Thai Consulate in Los Angeles:
List of Countries - Allowed 30-Day Stay Without a Visa ( For Tourism Only) - Passport MUST be valid for at least six more months.http://thaiconsulatela.org/service_visa_detail.aspx?link_id=28
The US State Dept.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/thailand.html
Quick Facts- PASSPORT VALIDITY:
Six months from date of entry
Embassy website in Bangkok says "The passport must have at least six months validity remaining to be allowed entry."
http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/service/thai-visas-for-americans.html
So the theoretically authoritative websites say 6 months required, while Star Alliance says different. Guess I know that getting on the plane shouldn't be a problem.
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There is no 6 months limit.
As long as the validity on your passport is long enough to cover your stay
you will be fine.
Only staying 10 days will be no problem at all.
Is that a visa exempt thing, or does it also apply to obtaining a tourist visa or other visa? That's just for information as I'm planning on sending for renewal right after I get back. Everywhere I looked said 6 months passport validity required for entrance to Thailand, though most were not official sites, and I'm not sure how updated the English versions of the Thai Consulate and similar websites are. But I doubt I saw any official website on visa exempt, since they tend to focus on applying for visas.
Hello,
I entered Thailand by air when my passport was good for a bit more than
6 months and left the kingdom when it was valid for less than 6 months
no problem. It's been several years since then, though.
Good luck.
Thanks. There are tons of posts here and elsewhere on people just under 6 months time left. Couldn't find any just over, which I took as a positive sign, but wanted to be sure. It always seems like they stamp me through much faster than the people in front of me, but I still am waiting for that day it doesn't go smoothly.
Delhi to Taiwan, with transit, immigration in Bangkok
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
Posted · Edited by Carmine6
Fixed month info and added new source
Taiwan stopped allowing transiting in May and last I checked a month ago was still closed, or else that is where I would have connected through. I'll double check it since they could have changed recently, but highly unlikely.
Best I could find was reference to the original prohibition on transiting in May 2021:
News Ticker - EVA Air | Global (English)
Effective from 00:00 am on 19MAY2021(local flight schedule departure time). CECC imposes entry restrictions for non-R.O.C. nationals and travelers transiting through Taiwan are temporarily prohibited.