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2 hours ago, Yinn said:

The Five Precepts are considered an important source of authority in Buddhism. The third Precept offers guidance on how to achieve a successful marriage. 'Do not engage in sexual misconduct', instructs Buddhists to be content within marriage and not to commit adultery as this will cause suffering.

And it is widely practiced in Thailand.

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2 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Every now and then I go to a bar where 'ladies' are available to rent.  As I have learned to speak Thai- I find them to be one of the most boring places there is.  The discussion is worthless; it's all like a broken record.  

Don't get it man? unless one can catch an STD from a conversation?

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34 minutes ago, inThailand said:

Wasn't this post about falsely reported results?

 

Instead, he's getting lectured by the holier than now TV crowd. Let those without sin cast the first stone comes to mind.

No worries Mate, the howls here may trigger something.

But I am not sure I'll manage to do much better, I must have had over 50 STD tests over the past 20 years, just to show that I am not exempt of guilt. My problem is that whenever I am facing one of those cutely trimmed mounds, my reptilian brain takes over and I can hear lour and clear "PENETRATE". During all the pre-test interviews I met many of those dried out spinsters whose only message was "you must ALWAYS wear a condom". But once one nurse managed to have the right tone; a giggling chubby Swiss girl who said "Yeah good sex always involves a bit of folly, but please try to be careful".

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11 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

couple of points 

 

On your return to clinic why would the doctor think the information provided to you was not correct before looking at the lab results.

 

Would the lab keep a copy of test results especially negative 

 

If the lab made an error in its administrative procedures in providing the written results why would you be confident about the recording of test results onto the computer.

 

 

They had the record, I saw it and I had no reason to doubt what she called up in a matter of seconds. My assumption is that they have automated gear as most labs have, what is missing is the direct certificate printing. And why shouldn't I trust them once they had admitted a clerical error and the whole staff being apologetic. They where genuinely embarrassed. I do not believe one second they would have told me "ok you are negative" if they hadn't been certain I wasn't. Further, they gave me a "negative" certificate, think of the legal implications.

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Who said such c..p? I went back because  they asked me to wait for the results to address the situation of a positive tests. Since they let me go without seeing a doctor again, when I so the positive I rightly assumed it could be clerical error, so I went back to check. Is this to difficult to comprehend?

I stay factual but my patience is running thin...

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2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

The Bangkok Red Cross is best for testing, they are strict with you checking your code with the blood sample sticker. Also they are cheap at 200 baht, Syphilis 80 baht.

 

I also take PrEP

I might go there, but they are a bit out of the way and have longer queues.

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36 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Also, disregarding your stupid and evil way of treating your family, I am sincerely sorry to hear about your cancer.

Thanks, but this is a Prostate cancer that is unlikely to affect my life expectancy. And for a while at least neither will it affect my sex life.

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33 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

So, what you really do is cheat on your wife and family and blame it on that you have cancer. After that you engage in unprotected sex, and even if you test yourself will have a possibility to transfer HIV to your wife. Looks to me that you are a real ar5e that in some kind of way are blaming your wife and family for your own problems.

You have two decent ways to deal with this. That is to tell your wife you will need to, and want to, have more sex before dying and then have it with her. The second one is to explain your urges and see if she can accept that or divorce and be free to live out the rest of your days as you wish. That´s how life works when you are showing respect to people. Nevermind, that´s probably an alien concept to you anyway.

Also, disregarding your stupid and evil way of treating your family, I am sincerely sorry to hear about your cancer.

Was missing your post Mate, very helpful thanks.

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5 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

It seems rather odd you saying that about another man - when you could have quite easily have picked up HIV yourself and be infecting others before your test results came in - along with your wife - who hopefully is seeing a decent man and about to leave you

This hypothetical man wanted to know his status and may have walked away happily thinking he was negative. I, like him, want to know my status, I don't negate the 1 in 5000 or 1 in 10000 chance to get infected whenever I take I risk.

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33 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

1). It only takes one unprotected encounter. you are playing a form of Russian roulette - and subjecting your wife to it.

 

2) Absence of sperm is completely irrelevant to risk.

 

As already mentioned these "clinics" are nto a reliable source of advice or testing.  Not unknown for some to not even do the actual blood test, just make money by going through the motions and telling men what they want to hear.

 

Get a reliable HIV test at the Red Cross Anonymous clinic in Bangkok or a proper hospital. Red cross is better as they do batch NAT testing so can pick up infections earlier.

 

And then (assuming negative) either

 

(1) use condoms without fail, no exceptions, full stop

 

OR

 

(2) Stop sleeping with your wife (or always use condoms with her, but since you have had a vasectomy that would need some explaining....).

 

It is up to you if you want to risk an infection but you have no right to put her at risk, and you have been doing so.

Sheryl as you well know I know all this, and obviously you fulfill your duty here. I am also grateful that you let the thread go on as it may help me, and others, to put things into a more elaborate prospective. I have tried to keep my answers to some posts factual and refrained to respond to insults which may be the arm of the impotent.

 

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9 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Yep, you might well get away with it the first 3 times. But the 4th.......??????? Is a 25% annual risk factor low by your reckoning? Certainly ain't by mine!

Sorry mate but that's Buffalo Excrement.

Sheryl is right in that you MAY catch HIV the first time you have sex with an HIV infected partner. But the actual probabilities are ranging from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 2000, for insertive vaginal sex. Now if one in Five working girls are HIV positive than the total risk is 1 in 5000 to 1 in 10000. There are always two way to look probabilities. You see quite honestly I don't know if I put my family more at risk when I take them for a 100km drive on Thai roads or when I bareback a young girl from Nana Plaza.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Sounds like another quick test would be in order to really clear this up.

I test every time I go to Bangkok. But they let me check the Lab computer record, it was negative.

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2 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

So you took a new test?

They gave you the wrong test report?

The computer printed having a glitch?

 

Unless they gave you the wrong report or a new test this doesn't make sense. I am not judging you, just be safer next time but tell me how their was rectified as a negative result in the end..

They transfer manually, the test result from their lab system into a word document. This especially if you have two farangs at the clinic at the same time can lead to human error. Hence the need to "open" the result in front of a clinic staff.

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14 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

assume they check your PSA or do a finger test?

Lots of Doctors I believe between Issan and Bangkok that can do these tests.  Or, is it your excuse to go to Bangkok for sex?

+ MP-MRIs and Biopsies, good luck if you want to do that in an Issan hospital. Further, Thai doctors hardly know about active surveillance, had to twist the arm of my English speaking Bumrungrad medic, don't see myself doing this to an Issan doctor used to treat rice farmers. Also the most common PCA treatment in the provinces is bilateral  Orchiectomy. Think about it.

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8 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Will you still go on <deleted> about ,unprotected ?, or will

you have learnt a very valuable lesson.

regards Worgeordie

This one is a valid question, the answer is I don't know. My risk is low for the simple reason that the transmission rates are low and that I get unprotected only 3 or 4 times a year. I never put any pressure on the girl I always have condoms and KY in my room. I have had a vasectomy after my last child and I am taking Proscar hence produce a vastly reduced amount of sperm. For some reasons there are girls who just don't bother asking for condoms and when I party I don't think.

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3 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

being an adulterous husband and putting the health of your wife at risk while limiting your lifespan and hindering your children, while having your kids to not trust the sanctity of marriage?????  

 

sure, lovely

Are you a God fearing monolith?

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20 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Your HIV test may actually be a positive. Your false positive, then negative, may also be false. 

From now on wear a condom with your wife and all others on your 3 day "boombooming my head out" trips to Bangkok

Hope you have a vasectomy, as unprotected sex with bar girls can also lead to pregnancy FYI

Peace

I was trying to be informative. If you ask me I do practice safe sex, I could opt for PREP, but several doctors in the clinics said that my level of risk doesn't warrant it. Regular tests is an adequate strategy.

Now I guess many of the hypocritical, sanctimonious, nauseous, comments I am getting here are from people way past their andropause.

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I am a married guy, with a lovely family leaving somewhere in Issan.  Having low risk prostate cancer I have to go 3 times a year to Bangkok to check whether the status of my cancer must be upgraded or not.

 

So, I let you guess what I am doing my free time during those three days? Yes, you are right, I am boombooming my head out. And inevitably and every single trip, I “bump” into some  young girl who happily omits to require the condom. Probably out of respect for elders. It is amazing, that so far, no doctor has identified HIV as a side effect of PCA active surveillance.

 

Since I am not totally irresponsible I get STD tested on every trip, and take a “Rape kit” consisting of 1500 mg of Zythromax and 400 of Cefixime. So last Thursday I went once more to one of the now many clinics in Bangkok to get checked. During the short routine interview I was asked to wait 10 minutes to get the results as they would want to discuss further course of action in case anything was positive. Got finger pricked, waited maybe 15 minutes, and the cashier called me and handed over my envelope, 1000 Bahts, see you again in May.

 

I left and went on with my naughty daily routine. At about 2pm I went to have lunch at Monsoon’s, had a pint of Singh, dug into my Lamb shank, got a couple of glasses of red and decided to have a look at my results, and… oh horror! It showed “HIV positive”. Fraak! I knew it didn’t make sense, they should have kept me and my risk is low anyway, but when reading “HIV positive” on a paper with your name on it you can’t stop yourself from seeing your nice family life falling into pieces. To cut it short I skipped coffee and desert, checked bin, and must have looked quite shaken when leaving.

 

At the lab they didn’t waste any time and the doctor I met said right away, “I don’t think that’s right”. She looked up her screen and it showed my record as HIV negative. They gave me a new test report and three vouchers for free tests. When I left the whole staff of about 5  or 6 people was waiting to Wai me out.

 

What bothers me now, that if I got a false positive it is quite likely that someone somewhere could have a false negative and carry on unwittingly infecting other people. If I had bothered opening my envelope at the counter before leaving this could have been avoided. Also in the past I got test results sent by email, what would I have done if I had gotten a “positive” back home in Issan, food for thought, isn’t?

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

All in all, I am happy to live completely outside the "tourist circuit"; lost in the depths of nowhere in a tiny village of Isaan ...

Hhmmmhhh, Issan is very close to places like Phuket and Pattaya in terms of virus propagation, as there is a legion of working girls shuttling back and forth between their favorite hunting grounds and home. In a nutshell they will carry HIV from their unfaithful Thai husbands to their Chinese customers and bring back the new new Corona-virus.

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9 hours ago, stevenl said:

And with this comparison you again show your lack of knowledge on spreading of viruses.

Steven, I am not sure any of us has and deep knowledge of virus propagation science. But our friend @Chrysaorahere seems to lack any common sense and works himself into a state of hysteria.

 

There is also something else, decisions makers have to weigh the economic impact of their decisions, poor economy is a poly-form silent killer too. Maybe someone has mentioned it, but  I don't bother going through the bickering

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On 12/11/2019 at 8:10 AM, webfact said:

Between 2017 and 2019 around 350 patients a year had to be transferred using the daytime ferry. Others were transferred at night by speedboat but high waves often presented problems for this. 

 

They could easily cover that with a part time helicopter. Another great example of Thai (non) thinking

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7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What was so great about your boomboom last night ?

R U some pervert, a social media voyeur?

Anyhow, had a few more since, but now I am back home waiting for the wife to come to bed.

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50 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

I see, so according to you, although some water entered through the top hatch of the conning tower (submarine) we should not bother closing or sealing it as we dive. 

 

We should drown.

 

Does that sum it up?

Man, water doesn't multiply. The virus will, there are already 5 known cases in Thailand, therefore you can be certain that there are probably dozens of infected people. Way too late to close borders.

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On 1/23/2020 at 12:56 PM, bristolgeoff said:

the farang is at fault that is it

Yeah, "The Ford Ranger with Bangkok plates at the scene was driven by Che Goch Eng" ? In this case the Farang is Korean.

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1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi Momo,

Which was the local IO that refused to issue a 90-day Non Imm O Visa after having returned VE or on tourist-Visa?

Did you apply for reason of retirement or for reason of marriage?

In case of marriage some rogue IOs indeed try to dodge the extra paper-work it means for them.

Didn't apply, but inquired. It was Buriram.

They may have a workload concern indeed.

I have a Non-OA seed with 5 consecutive  extensions for reason of marriage.

 

Question one: Do I need a Health Insurance?  "No, since your Visa and original entry predate 31/10/2019"

 

Question two: Can you issue a two month "Thai spouse" extension, if anything changes prior to my next extension? "Yes"

 

Question three: Can you issue a Non-O based on marriage if I reenter on "exempt" or some Tourist visa? "NO".

 

Have a nice day.

 

I have applied for my next extension for marriage early January. Went in with two sundry unpleasant new requirements. They didn't get back to me since, pickup is early March.