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  1. Sorry. What was the experience of the 89 year old with Covid? Was it better or worse than the minor reactions people who get vaccinated experience?
  2. Once again, you posted: ""No vaccine I have been able to find have passed any sort of clinical trial." That is very clearly false. We are in stage 4, which occurs after three clinical trials have been successfully completed and the vaccine is approved. From your source: "If, after the first three phases, researchers find a drug or other intervention to be safe and effective, the FDA approves it for clinical use and continues to monitor its effects. " "A Phase IV trial for drugs or devices takes place after the FDA approves their use.
  3. You have the stubborn denial of facts I would expect of an anti-vaxxer. From the source already provided, which you studiously ignored: "After initial development, vaccines go through three phases of clinical trials to make sure they are safe and effective. For other vaccines routinely used in the United States, the three phases of clinical trials are performed one at a time. During the development of COVID-19 vaccines, these phases have overlapped to speed up the process so the vaccines can be used as quickly as possible to control the pandemic. No trial phases have been skipped.
  4. A death rate for Covid of 1% to 2% means a 98% to 99% survival rate. A death rate for some vaccines (those with the highest rate of negative side-effects) of 0.0001% means a survival rate of 99.9999%. Getting vaccinated isn't a political statement, it's just a smart by the numbers thing to do. BTW: Most people who get vaccinated experience nothing worse than a slight run-down feeling for less than 24 hours. What was your experience with Covid like?
  5. When faced with a highly contagious pandemic killing millions and crippling the world economy, the drug industry sped things up. That's a good thing.
  6. You posted "No vaccine I have been able to find have passed any sort of clinical trial." As my link showed that was clearly false and dangerous misinformation.
  7. Yes, prior to 1970 there were no government restrictions on pesticides that weren't directly sprayed on foods. There was an absence of science investigating pesticides. What is your point?
  8. Do either of you have a point pertinent to this topic? Are you arguing that death is preferable to masking?
  9. True for allergic reactions, and has been true for a long time. According to 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22, "No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings." https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-pharmaceutical-companies-immune-covid-19-vaccine-lawsuits-1562793 It
  10. Fake news is rampant here. As already noted, vaccines are tested and immunity from prosecution only extends to rare allergic reactions. Tens of thousands of people are tested before approval of vaccines in an attempt to determine effectiveness and allergic reactions, but that is not enough to catch the one in a million allergic reactions.
  11. Absolutely, blatantly false. Every vaccine approved for use in the west has passed a three phase clinical trials process. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/distributing/steps-ensure-safety.html
  12. As already stated, the global stats are unknown. You rely heavily on statistics and stories from New Zealand, a remote island nation that is one of the few to have kept Covid 19 under control.
  13. "The chances of a bad reaction are small,yet no one knows the long term ramifications." The same is true for catching Covid 19, the life-long consequences of long Covid are unknown. However the death rate from Covid is known to be much greater than that for vaccinations.
  14. Total cases and deaths globally are unknown. Even using your numbers, the death rate of those infected is over 2%.
  15. There are no credible statistics for the world population regarding Covid 19. I use statistics from large countries such as the US in which Covid 19 has established a foothold. The US totals are: Cases: 32 million Deaths: 574,000 (1.8% of cases, 0.17% of total US population). https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home Hospitalizations: 5.7 million (https://covidusa.net/ Regarding vaccinations: "Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 03
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