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That's why they have thaksin under their control.

Thank you I would appreciate that very helpful.

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That sounds like a good price. What dentist did you use? Also what type of implantc was it. Thank you in advance.

Thank you for the clarification much appreciated.

For people in the provinces how would this differ. For example I passed the moi interview last year in May (Chiang Mai) and it was forwarded to the interior ministry what happens next? Would it be waiting for the big committee to approve the application before being passed on to the interior minister? I was told last year that there are no further interviews and I'm just waiting for approval from Bangkok but I'm not sure if that's the big committee or the interior minister.

Thank you David for the update, it's good to hear that things are still moving. My MOI interview was approved in Chiang Mai last year and it's waiting in Bangkok for final approval from the committee. Am I to also assume that these candidates will also have to wait for final approval from the committee or is it a different process?

Interestingly 2 years ago when I called the American embassy in Bangkok and the consulate in Chiang Mai they both said they would not sign such an affidavit renouncing citizenship in the future. However I went into the Chiang Mai consulate in person not mentioning what the affidavit was about and the consul notarized it anyways. They don't always read the letters to be notarized.

Unfortunately nobody has replied with the right answer which is its very easy for a woman married to a Thai man to obtain citizenship as long as your husband has income and is paying taxes in Thailand. I believe you can apply after 3 years of marriage with no children.

I Just showed up without mentioning anything about renouncing citizenship and the consul signed it without saying anything. This is at the chiang mai consulate. If one of the consuls in Bangkok gives you a problem then try another one the next day.

This is true if the embassy won't seal your affidavit. But to my surprise even after number phone calls adamantly saying they won't sign such an affidavit I just showed up without saying anything and the consul signed and sealed it without saying anything.

I'm not sure if you're having the same problem that I had which is when you call the embassy about getting a notarized intention to renounce citizenship they will refuse on the phone. But when you actually go in person and have them notarized a letter without saying anything about renouncing citizenship they actually go ahead and do notarize it.

This is true in regards to males applying. However this is in regards to the Thai husband. It's likely that foreign income can be used as proof for a Thai husband because of foreign tax treaties.

Are you sure the lady wasn't from the national intelligence agency? if so it was probably normal for her to request all the documents again as they may be working from home.

Here you go https://maps.app.goo.gl/tVUtfiseMjtY5D5s8 It's not the main building it's one building back on the left go up the stairs and make a left. The office is at the very end. Ask for Khun tirawood.

Thank you that clarifies many things.

Do you know if this means that my application will have to wait for the big moi meeting for Bangkok people and they will consider the successful applicants from the provinces at the same time?

Talking to my SB officer today he informed me that Bangkok delegated the provinces to do the interviews. A representative from Chiang Mai will go to Bangkok and present the successful applicants to the big committee for final approval. So in other words we no longer have to go there personally.

I'm sorry I can't be absolutely sure of anything. It was a committee of 35 people run by dopa. I did get a letter signed by the permanent Secretary of Chiang Mai but it had no letterhead. Supposedly the last interview.

I will answer your and qualtrough question at the same time. No they were not married and were applying as single. These three seemed to be either laotians or Burmese. Unlike the 60 or so people that came before them they were the first ones required to sing the anthems. The interesting thing is they didn't go through the special Branch police they probably went through dopa directly and dopa didn't do a very good job of informing them the absolute requirement of singing the national and royal anthems. These three persons also seemed like they didn't put much effort in preparing for the citizenship application. And we're actually scolded by the head of the committee. Ones of the three sang part of the national anthem and then gave up. The second one couldn't sing at all. The third one was singing next to me seem to be singing okay but for some reason she decided not to sing in front of the committee. But here's the important part that may be relevant to westerners. The head of the committee said go and practice and come back next time when you are ready. Basically left the option for them to keep the application open while they practice the anthems.

I wish it was only one year maybe I'll be lucky everything's going so fast. Yes I applied as single after having 6 years of permanent residency.

Here are some pictures of the MOI meeting today in Chiang Mai. There were only three other westerners besides myself, a Canadian and two Austrians. The other foreigners were most likely wives of thai men. The interview was very brief probably under 3 minutes only asking the most basic questions like what is your name how long have you been in Thailand and to sing the anthems. The three persons in front of me got rejected because they couldn't sing the national and royal anthems. I think I sang it correctly but I was so nervous that I sang wildly out of pitch but still people clapped afterwards. I was told that after this there are no more interviews and just wait for the process to finish.

That's almost exactly what my SB officer said, that he had had a lot of inquiries from other provinces but they were unable to proceed because they didn't know the process. Or couldn't be bothered with all the steps. If anybody in Chiang Mai is interested in applying for citizenship I would urge them to apply soon because he'll be retiring in a couple years. Who knows the enthusiasm or capabilities of the next person. It also has been my experience that if administration changes from guys in the special branch police, which it is now to the moi which will be mostly women, things will be much more difficult because women tend to be very careful, picky and scrutinize everything. Just like in the old days when immigration was mostly guys and it was very easy to get extensions etc now that it has changed to mostly women the process has generally become more complicated and detailed. With very little flexibility.

Yes I think the process and the provinces is a little bit more complicated with more steps but it could just be because of covid because I only applied less than a year ago. The three years is somebody ahead of me in Chiang Mai

The SB officer did say that it would take the committee in Chiang Mai about 1 month to come to a decision at which time I would know the result and then it would be sent to Bangkok to be put in some kind of que. I think the 3 years is the total time since application and for the documents to come back to SB for the swearing ceremony.