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7 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:
Our family dentist recommended a specific dental surgeon at NP International Dental Clinic for our daughter. She received her implant back in January and will have the crown fitted later this month when she returns from university in the US. I'll dig out the name of the dentist and will DM you. He also practices at Chula and another major hospital, if I recall correctly.
https://www.facebook.com/np.idc/
Thank you I would appreciate that very helpful.
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8 hours ago, Lacessit said:
I am not sure that price would hold from 8 years ago.
It was a post and screw implant, after a bone graft done immediately after the extraction. The bone graft material was a Swiss product, the dentist said it was better quality than Chinese graft material.
The dentist was practising at Elite Smile, on the corner of Pantip Plaza in Chiang Mai. They may have moved now.
Thank you
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On 11/20/2022 at 12:40 AM, Lacessit said:
The best bone grafts are Swiss, Chinese material is inferior. That may explain some of the price variation. In Chiang Mai, my three implants were 55,000 baht each.
A quality implant takes time. Rapid implants have a failure rate of 40-50%. Good ones, less than 5%.
Im my case, after allowing an extraction to heal for six weeks, the bone graft material was laid in and the implant post screwed into my jaw. Come back in 3 months. Final stage was installing the cap on the post.
I had mine about 7 or 8 years ago, no problems afterwards.
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That sounds like a good price. What dentist did you use? Also what type of implantc was it. Thank you in advance.
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12 hours ago, DrJoy said:
Non Bangkok candidates get interviewed by their Provincial Halls. After that the file is sent to Bangkok (MOI) where it waits for the approval of the big committee.
Standard wait time for provincial candidates is 40 months from start to finish.
Thank you for the clarification much appreciated.
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9 minutes ago, DrJoy said:
For Bangkok Candidates -
1. Submit Documents
2. Special Police Interview - within a month of submitting documents
3. NIA Interview - within 3 -5 months
4.M.O.I Interview - usual time frame 18- 24 months after NIA + approval from the big committee
5. Minister of Interior signs off your application + counter signed by His Majesty
6. Oath
7. Name published in the Royal Gazette
8. Get Citizenship Certificate from Special Police + 3 certified copies of RG (Not applicable to Women Candidates)
9. Name entered in the Blue Tabien Baan (Non PRs) + THAI ID card issuance at the District Office
10. Thai Passport issuance at any Passport Office
Posting it again for future applicants.
For people in the provinces how would this differ. For example I passed the moi interview last year in May (Chiang Mai) and it was forwarded to the interior ministry what happens next?
Would it be waiting for the big committee to approve the application before being passed on to the interior minister? I was told last year that there are no further interviews and I'm just waiting for approval from Bangkok but I'm not sure if that's the big committee or the interior minister.
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10 hours ago, david143 said:
there was a interview meeting for Thai nationality held on 3rd March 2023.
foreign females with Thai husbands and foreign husbands with Thai wives.
+ with few PR candidatesThank you David for the update, it's good to hear that things are still moving. My MOI interview was approved in Chiang Mai last year and it's waiting in Bangkok for final approval from the committee. Am I to also assume that these candidates will also have to wait for final approval from the committee or is it a different process?
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Interestingly 2 years ago when I called the American embassy in Bangkok and the consulate in Chiang Mai they both said they would not sign such an affidavit renouncing citizenship in the future. However I went into the Chiang Mai consulate in person not mentioning what the affidavit was about and the consul notarized it anyways. They don't always read the letters to be notarized.
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Unfortunately nobody has replied with the right answer which is its very easy for a woman married to a Thai man to obtain citizenship as long as your husband has income and is paying taxes in Thailand.
I believe you can apply after 3 years of marriage with no children.
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On 4/10/2022 at 11:45 AM, gettingby said:
I am an American long time resident in Thailand with with PR for more than 5 years already and looking to apply for Thai citizenship. I believe I have all qualifications requirements for tax, language, references, etc covered and can complete the paperwork/intervies; however I am still unclear on the requirements for providing evidence of renouncing my usa citizenship. Is that still a requirement? and if so how to go about that. Especially as the USA embassy post covid has become very difficult/cumbersome to get appointments/docs/certifications/notarization/etc from.
Anyone with recent experience on how to get through this? I contacted SB several years ago and was told I was more than qualified but then I got hung up trying to figure out what I needed to show (from an uninterested and unfriendly embassy) my intent to revoke, and pretty much gave up in frustration - and then covid hit. ready to try again. any advice much appreciated.
I Just showed up without mentioning anything about renouncing citizenship and the consul signed it without saying anything. This is at the chiang mai consulate.
If one of the consuls in Bangkok gives you a problem then try another one the next day.
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On 4/11/2022 at 3:07 PM, Marcati said:
FYI, the US Embassy will do nothing regarding the renunciation of Thai Citizenship. I went through this 2 years ago. They will not sign or stamp anything.
SB will give you letter and require you to go through the motions only to come back and tell them the US Embassy will do nothing. Then you will need to write a letter in Thai (I highly recommend getting someone to help with the language, SB will ensure it covers everything) that says you did all this and that you intend to renounce your US Citizenship upon receipt of your Thai Citizenship.
This is true if the embassy won't seal your affidavit. But to my surprise even after number phone calls adamantly saying they won't sign such an affidavit I just showed up without saying anything and the consul signed and sealed it without saying anything.
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On 4/12/2022 at 10:04 AM, Marcati said:
I'm aware of the notary services and have used them in the past. For the topic of intention to renounce US Citizenship they would not provide it and they won't sign or stamp Thai documents, even coming from Thai Officials.
I'm not sure if you're having the same problem that I had which is when you call the embassy about getting a notarized intention to renounce citizenship they will refuse on the phone. But when you actually go in person and have them notarized a letter without saying anything about renouncing citizenship they actually go ahead and do notarize it.
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On 4/7/2022 at 6:59 PM, DrJoy said:
Answer - I am quite sure Foreign income is not accepted
This is true in regards to males applying. However this is in regards to the Thai husband. It's likely that foreign income can be used as proof for a Thai husband because of foreign tax treaties.
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Are you sure the lady wasn't from the national intelligence agency? if so it was probably normal for her to request all the documents again as they may be working from home.
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55 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:Hi James one question. I live in CM too and I'd apply here as well and your experience is really encouraging. Where is the Special Branch in Chiang Mai? Thank you!
Here you go
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tVUtfiseMjtY5D5s8It's not the main building it's one building back on the left go up the stairs and make a left. The office is at the very end. Ask for Khun tirawood.
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19 hours ago, Arkady said:
Sounds like they have upgraded the process for applicants in the provinces but I wonder, if that will apply to all provinces or just provinces like CM, Phuket, Chonburi. Since the CM meeting included stateless persons, it seems possible for them to do it in a number of provinces where they also regularly have stateless applicants, particularly provinces adjoining the Burmese border. However, not all provinces regularly have stateless applicants and it seems unlikely that they would convene a large meeting like this if they just have one applicant for naturalisation.
To answer your question. Yes, your application will have to wait for the big MOI meeting because it is required in the Nationality Act that they approve it. However, AFAIK the big meeting takes place 3 or 4 times a year, usually a month or so after the little committee meetings in Bangkok. I was told by a police captain who did 12 years in the SB nationality office that the big committee acts largely as a rubber stamp and he only saw one or two applicants knocked back by the big committee in his time. The big committee is probably a waste of those senior officials time but the law requires it.
Thank you that clarifies many things.
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11 minutes ago, david143 said:
Means if outside Bangkok , they will give permission to DOPA to conduct Interview, that's nice
Do you know if this means that my application will have to wait for the big moi meeting for Bangkok people and they will consider the successful applicants from the provinces at the same time?
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On 2/24/2022 at 11:06 PM, Arkady said:Very interesting account of the interviews and it is positive that CM is delegated to do the interviews. Interviews in Bkk for those not married to Thais have historically more thorough. Mine was 15 minutes but your batch was quite large, so they obviously couldn't spend more than a few minutes on each applicant.
Whereas Bkk conducts separate interview sessions for those naturalising as Thais, women adopting husband's Thai nationality and minorities who apply through BORA, it sounds as if CM batched them all up together. I think you are probably right that the candidates who fluffed the singing were minorities born in Thailand who were not properly prepared by BORA, poor guys. When I was waiting for my interview one of the staffers told me that a Chinese couple were having to repeat the songs and might have been rejected. But she made clear that, as you say, they get invited back to try again at a later date.
Talking to my SB officer today he informed me that Bangkok delegated the provinces to do the interviews. A representative from Chiang Mai will go to Bangkok and present the successful applicants to the big committee for final approval. So in other words we no longer have to go there personally.
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10 hours ago, DrJoy said:
Encouraging news indeed.
Are you sure this was the Ministry of Interior (MOI) interview?
Did you get a letter informing of the same?
I'm sorry I can't be absolutely sure of anything. It was a committee of 35 people run by dopa. I did get a letter signed by the permanent Secretary of Chiang Mai but it had no letterhead. Supposedly the last interview.
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2 hours ago, GarryP said:Could it be possible that despite applying based on marriage to a Thai, the committee in Chiangmai still required that they sing the national and royal anthems and, as such, were not prepared? I agree that it does seem really strange that they would not have prepared to sing the anthems if singing them was required, such as under the PR route.
I will answer your and qualtrough question at the same time.
No they were not married and were applying as single. These three seemed to be either laotians or Burmese. Unlike the 60 or so people that came before them they were the first ones required to sing the anthems.
The interesting thing is they didn't go through the special Branch police they probably went through dopa directly and dopa didn't do a very good job of informing them the absolute requirement of singing the national and royal anthems.
These three persons also seemed like they didn't put much effort in preparing for the citizenship application. And we're actually scolded by the head of the committee. Ones of the three sang part of the national anthem and then gave up. The second one couldn't sing at all. The third one was singing next to me seem to be singing okay but for some reason she decided not to sing in front of the committee.
But here's the important part that may be relevant to westerners. The head of the committee said go and practice and come back next time when you are ready. Basically left the option for them to keep the application open while they practice the anthems.
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36 minutes ago, Marcati said:
Well done! Should be just a year away now from having your ID card.
I assume you had to sing because you're not married to a Thai?
I wish it was only one year maybe I'll be lucky everything's going so fast.
Yes I applied as single after having 6 years of permanent residency.
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Here are some pictures of the MOI meeting today in Chiang Mai. There were only three other westerners besides myself, a Canadian and two Austrians. The other foreigners were most likely wives of thai men.
The interview was very brief probably under 3 minutes only asking the most basic questions like what is your name how long have you been in Thailand and to sing the anthems.
The three persons in front of me got rejected because they couldn't sing the national and royal anthems.
I think I sang it correctly but I was so nervous that I sang wildly out of pitch but still people clapped afterwards. I was told that after this there are no more interviews and just wait for the process to finish.
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10 hours ago, Arkady said:
Potential applicants need to bear in mind that CM, Phuket, Chonburi and maybe one or two others are the exceptions amongst provinces outside Bangkok. The vast majority of provincial Special Branch offices either point blank refuse to accept applications, claim it is not their job or go through the motions but in the end are incapable of doing anything for applicants other than drop subtle hints about backsheesh. Perhaps this will change, if the MOI really manages to wrest the processing away from Special Branch as suggested by the recent cabinet resolution. However, since nothing ever gets easier with citizenship or PR, I somehow suspect that axing SB from the equation will not be in the interests of applicants, if it ever happens.
That's almost exactly what my SB officer said, that he had had a lot of inquiries from other provinces but they were unable to proceed because they didn't know the process. Or couldn't be bothered with all the steps. If anybody in Chiang Mai is interested in applying for citizenship I would urge them to apply soon because he'll be retiring in a couple years.
Who knows the enthusiasm or capabilities of the next person.
It also has been my experience that if administration changes from guys in the special branch police, which it is now to the moi which will be mostly women, things will be much more difficult because women tend to be very careful, picky and scrutinize everything. Just like in the old days when immigration was mostly guys and it was very easy to get extensions etc now that it has changed to mostly women the process has generally become more complicated and detailed. With very little flexibility.
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22 minutes ago, DrJoy said:
James you're a provincial candidate? maybe thats the cause of delay.
My friend applied for it in Bkk around april 2018 in dec 2021 he was Thai, so its a tad over 3 yrs
Yes I think the process and the provinces is a little bit more complicated with more steps but it could just be because of covid because I only applied less than a year ago. The three years is somebody ahead of me in Chiang Mai
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On 2/19/2022 at 11:34 AM, Arkady said:
If the little committee interview is delegated to CM, the CM recommendations should go straight to the big committee, not hang around in the MOI for years.
The SB officer did say that it would take the committee in Chiang Mai about 1 month to come to a decision at which time I would know the result and then it would be sent to Bangkok to be put in some kind of que.
I think the 3 years is the total time since application and for the documents to come back to SB for the swearing ceremony.
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Anutin Congratulates Srettha on Becoming Prime Minister
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by THAIJAMES
That's why they have thaksin under their control.