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  1. 1 hour ago, Old Croc said:

    Good to see someone who has actually done some research before presenting a differing opinion, although your link about a study in India around the turn of the century doesn't particularly excite.

    After re-checking, I concede your point about the age puppies can be vaccinated.  I made the error of stating 12 months instead of 12 weeks and apologize for misleading posters here.

    However, I will maintain that puppies are on sold before that age ergo without being vaccinated for the virus. Infection could occur shortly before sale and not be evident earlier.  

    Many articles, I have read, suggest imported dogs/puppies are the most likely way rabies can be introduced to this controlled island environment of the only Province declared by The Government to be Rabies free.

    Here's one link.

     https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/soi-dog-foundation-responds-to-rabies-outbreak-zone-in-chalong

     

    You're right (again), whatever I might think about certain posters and their lack of knowledge or off topic agendas, I shouldn't state my opinion of them so graphically.

    Perhaps when you've been on the forum for as long as I, and parried so much stupidity, malice and trolling, you too might become a little frustrated with the clowns. 

    You may have misread.  The article that I referenced is from Thailand and dates to 2004 (authors Veera Tepsumethanon...  Henry Wilde et al.).  There is quite a lot of information in the literature on the genetics and epidemiology of rabies in Thailand.  As has been noted, the 2 distinct phylogroups of virus that are circulating, are associated with canine transmission (as opposed to other animal reservoirs).  So yes, the virus was most likely introduced in an infected dog (or puppy).   I respect Mr. Dalley for his commitment and service to both the animals and the community.  He also has a solid understanding of Thai culture and challenges within communities when it comes to controlling diseases like rabies in domestic animal populations.  I also share his dislike of large scale commercial puppy mills.  However,  I am not convinced that puppy mills are a major source for the dissemination of rabies around Thailand or other SE Asian countries.  The point that I am making is that following a 2-8 week incubation,  clinical rabies has a rapid onset and ~100% mortality rate (within 2 weeks of symptom onset).  I cited this particular paper because it illustrates this point.  In a closed environment like a nursery,  you shouldn't see new animals introduced very frequently due to risk of introducing diseases (not just rabies) that could kill your product.   Finally, with the extreme mortality, the breeding stock would die off, exhibiting symptoms of neurological disease.   That should be enough to shut them down (or alert them to the problem).  Furthermore,  once the pet owner presents for Post Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP) or dies of rabies, the Health Dept follow up should rapidly identify the source of exposure.  We just don't see a lot of reports like this in the literature.  Isn't it equally likely and less nefarious that an asymptomatic animal from an endemic area came into town and interacted with some local dogs before succumbing to illness, unnoticed?  We have all seen what happens when an outsider dog crosses into a local packs territory.   Anyway, thanks for an interesting discussion!

  2. On 1/19/2019 at 1:09 PM, Old Croc said:

    Until this one case, Phuket was considered the only rabies free province in Thailand. It seems the problem lies with puppy factories in places like Bangkok selling their animals here. Puppies cant be vaccinated until about 12 months old.

     

    Rubbish! They're vaccinating dogs.

     

    Prize for the most bizarre, idiot statement made this year. 

    We buy vaccines every year and inject our animals, it's available at any vet. 

    80,000 baht to treat a bite victim!  You are a lying fool!

    Guidelines for vaccination of puppies indicate 12-24 WEEKS NOT Months!  Also,  there is very little data to support your statement that the spread of rabies is due to 'puppy factories'.  A rabies outbreak in a puppy mill should be rapidly apparent due to the rapid onset and a fatality rate approaching 100%.  Also,  you would expect to see a fair number of human exposures and human rabies deaths in the absence of post exposure prophylaxis.  These should be identified during the ensuing case investigations by the health department. If you want more information,  there is a good article at this URL with research that was conducted in Thailand.  However, these findings are consistent with other literature :  https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/39/2/278/328860 Please note, I haven't called anyone "idiotic, bizarre or a lying fool".  Perhaps they are used as terms of endearment?  ????

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  3. 14 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

    Where there is life there is hope.

     

    The parents should have had the final word, not the State imo  

     

    Your comment regarding dogs is both crass and inappropriate.

    You don't seem to be interested in the medical facts of the case and your statement is a meaningless platitude.  In many countries, experimental medical procedures on animals including subjecting them to long term life support  is subject to official internal board  review  and requires justification.  So the statement was quite accurate and appropriate.  How much of your personal funds did YOU donate for supportive care? 

     

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  4. On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 6:16 PM, NanLaew said:

    Truly heart breaking.

     

    But it hasn't stopped Newt Gingrich hijacking the tragedy. He's not alone of course but his ramble on Fox News (where else) although pointing out salient issues regarding nascent nanny states (or what he labels 'Britain's scary secular state) and what happens when one becomes inured and apathetic, is more odious than most. By bringing together the heart-breakingly short lives of Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans, playing loose with words like 'condemned to die', 'death sentences for innocent infants', asserting 'how dangerous and heartless government tyranny can be once God is rejected' and otherwise bigging up his belief that Constitutionally protected 'faith' prevents the same happening in the USA, he casually dismisses the unique, multiple daily tragedies that are forever wrapped up in the protections of their Constitution.

     

    RIP Alfie.

    The Newt is an excellent example of how corruption and excrement float to the surface.  We scraped him from our shoes years ago, yet his foul odor refuses to dissipate.  While there is excellent health care in the US, availability beyond basic services is generally limited to the those who can afford it.  The State (Gov) would NOT have stepped in to support the continued treatment, so his (their) care would have been dependent upon support from donors.  The decision to remove them from life support would have to have come from the parents.

  5. The chances that vaccines imported from Spain would be substandard is highly unlikely!  Vaccine production in Europe is subject to ISO manufacturing standards and rigorous quality controls.  In this case, the risk to the company for production and distribution of sub standard vaccines could include both financial fines and criminal charges.  Given the 100% mortality rate in humans, the impact on the company would be enormous, if they were associated with a rabies outbreak.   I would be more inclined to review the protocols used to assess the vaccines before making accusations.   If the testing was appropriate and accurate,  It seems far more likely that the vaccines were either stored improperly or that they were counterfeit, produced in Asia or South Asia!  Seeing how there were human fatalities that arose from the suspected fraud or negligence, i would hope that the Gov performs a thorough investigation.  

     

  6. 1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

    It is the tip of the iceberg in that they are the domestic cats and dogs are the ones getting it from non-domestic animals (the rate of rabies is higher since that is the source of the infection) (i.e. the front line as I said).  Killing off the front line (as some here have suggested) just moves it to a new front line.  The rabies virus is a wild virus and its origins are in any number of wild animals.  We often don't see many of the smaller animals because our pets are the ones most likely to come in contact with them.  Kill them off, remove them from the scene and will come into contact with them more often - with a higher rate of infection.  Immunize them and leave them on the front line and we will be much better off.   Animals in the furious stage of rabies are not going to act as they would normally - so you cannot attribute a certain behaviour profile to them other than if you are anywhere close to them there is a high likelihood they will attack.  You don't control the spread of the virus by attacking our front line, you do it by attacking at it at its source.

    What non-domestic animals are you describing as a reservoir?  Rabies in rodents is very rare, these animals do NOT typically serve as reservoirs (stable sources) for transmission of infection.  They have identified rabies virus circulating in bat populations in Europe and North America, but the frequency of contact with domestic animals is generally quite low and only drives sporadic outbreaks.  There are other animals that serve as reservoirs, but I don't know that they are major factors in SE Asia.  Thus I don't understand what you mean by "attacking at it at its source".  I may not understand your logic, but i agree with you that mass vaccinations of susceptible populations are the best approach to preventing outbreaks.  I would focus on cats and dogs (domestic and feral) as once they are vaccinated, they will not become infected and transmit the virus.   The efficacy of the vaccine in these populations is well established. 

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  7. 8 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said:

    As if the human population can't afford to lose a handful of people to this disease. It's hardly going to cause a population collapse.

     

    I would be more concerned about trying to stamp out breading grounds for mosquito's that spread dengue fever than picking on the soi dog population.

     A noble proposal, but very challenging.  Dengue vectors are container breeders.  Effective control requires widespread, sustained community involvement as well as continuous surveillance of the human population for circulating virus.  Even countries with robust control programs such as Singapore have difficulty controlling transmission. 

  8. On 3/9/2018 at 7:09 AM, bkkcanuck8 said:

    It is not just "domestic" pets that are at issue they have to have an Oral Rabies Vaccine program through bait in the wild to combat the spread of the rabies virus.  The domestic pets are just the tip of the iceberg....  culling soi dogs won't do much, if anything to combat it.

    Transmission of rabies requires direct contact with infected animals, when you state that 'domestic pets are just the tip of the iceberg', you are claiming that the majority of rabies exposures in humans are due to contact with non-domestic animals!  It is hard to imagine what that exposure might be.  Do you have any evidence to support your statement?  Actually, expanding vaccinations of domestic animals particularly dogs and cats is an excellent way of reducing the chances of exposure in the human population and a first step towards rabies elimination! 

     

  9. 2 hours ago, tifino said:

     

    maybe they were adopting the Shotgun Open Butterfly position?

     

     

    What the heck!  I'd only be concerned;

     if I contracted Foot in Mouth Disease from them... but would have only happened if I'd turned around in my seat in front, at a most inopportune time -  to cop a foot in the gob!

     

     

    Anyhows; same rule for ALL, so I guess the next to happen is for the couple to sue the poster

    Unless you have cloven feet, FMD shouldn't be a problem! :smile:

     

  10. On 2/10/2018 at 7:31 PM, oldhippy said:

     

    Buddha's curly hair is a give away.

    So is his halo.

    And his toga.

    And many other stylistic characteristics.

     

    Now before you reply "nonsensical conspiracy theory", google it.

    You will end up in the company of..... Alexander the Great.....

    A very complete but long article is in Wikipedia:

     

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art#Buddha

     

    I have seen the references and they are quite interesting.  I wasn't aware that some of the oldest depictions have been found in Afghanistan and Pakistan... I was expecting Ladakh and the Tibetan Plateau.

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  11. On 1/2/2018 at 6:29 PM, mwbrown said:

    The current generation of LED headlight bulb design does get hot and needs the fan to keep the bulb alive for a good long life.  Check the LED bulbs available on Lazada or AliExpress, unless they are very low power like for a blinker light, they almost always have a fan.

    You are correct, I have only replaced my turn signals with LEDs, not the headlight. Thanks for the 'heads up'!

  12. On 12/31/2017 at 3:00 PM, twizzian said:

     

    Excellent video.

    I’m sure this will help other fellow bikers here :thumbsup:

    I can't imagine why there would be the need for a fan for LED lights they generate very little heat!  I have been through several sets and none of them have a fan!?  In Europe, they were selling a controller that would modulate the power, so that the lights blinked at a slow pace (this was req'd in Switzerland...but not in France).  I didn't bother with the box controller, the LED lights blink at 3x the speed of the original bulb lights...but no one has complained.  :)  Great topic by the way, I was also trying to find a source.  I stopped at the Paddock in BKK but they weren't able to help.

     

  13. On 12/17/2017 at 11:39 AM, phetpeter said:

    So the Americans gave Thailand the sex trade, I don't think so, If you look at Thailand's history you will find that it has been going on for hundreds of years, it wasn't till Victorian era that Thai women started wearing tops, and the trade for sex workers was considered a worthwhile career, when young to be allowed to entertain the 'warriors' at the different camps. US troops R&R in Pattaya was for peace and relaxing on the beach during tours. Guess who told the women to go entertain them?

    Sorry, just repeated your point below.  Didn't properly peruse the posts.  Mea culpa.

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