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Not being pedantic, but I noticed that none of the above, including the official document list, mentions SIGNED copy of id card, SIGNED copy of house book, SIGNED copy of passport, etc. The copies don't need to be signed?
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5 hours ago, Maestro said:
That makes you the house-master, meaning the chief possessor in any other capacity whatsoever, for example as a squatter.
OK thanks wait, not to be pedantic, but what if there is already a house master? Am I still the house master? ????
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5 hours ago, Tanoshi said:
Are you currently staying on a Visa, or an extension of stay based on retirement.
What address did you state on your TM6 arrival card.
Thanks. Extension of stay based on retirement, and the address of a friend where I can get required documents but I am not living there.
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40 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
Find another place to live with a decent landlord, speak to the existing landlord, or take the matter into your own hands and report the situation to Immigration.
Ok thanks. There are actually two other options. One is to file a TM-30 somewhere where I CAN get the documents I need (but I don't live there). And two, pay the fine if and when it is levied (but this doesn't fix the other problems arising from lack of TM-30).
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Of course, the answer here is to have a system that someone like me can FILE A REPORT of landlord who won't file a required TM-30. I have mentioned it before, it fell on deaf ears, but it would solve EVERY problem of people wanting to do TM-30 but are somehow prevented by someone else, which is my case and many others.
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18 minutes ago, rumak said:
I suspect that there is a reason that this person is not on the lease . You have not asked him.
As an owner, I would not let someone rent if they did not agree to being on the lease and understanding that we would file a tm 30 reporting their presence. ( We were once asked not to report ! request to rent was denied
Very suspicious, and yes you can ask. The original deal was I would be on the lease so I could do all these documents from immigration. Then I paid the 2 months deposit, got the key, stayed there one night, then the story changed "Oh it's difficult to have foreigner on the lease". Ex GF is on the lease. She is long gone, and apparently so is my deposit because landlord most likely won't pay me back, she will want to pay the lessor. Landlord is happy to accept my rent check every month. Classic bait and switch, lesson learned, and I got out the whipping post all readers can take a shot.
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17 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
If you stay there more so than the owner or the tenant who has the lease, then you could under the definition in law be considered the chief possessor and therefore the House Master under the Act.
Similarly, I live in my wife's house. I am not the owner, I have no lease, so not a tenant, but I spend more time in the house than the family, so for all intents and purposes I am the chief possessor.
Yes sir got it, thank you. And if I stay there LESS than the owner or signer of the lease?
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15 hours ago, Maestro said:
It is legal. Please see section 38 of the Immigration Act and the definition of House-Master in section 4.
Thank you for the reference. From Section 4:
“House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.
So if I stay at a leased apartment and I am not listed on the lease, then I cannot be the house master, correct?
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5 hours ago, edwardflory said:
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Related info for renters...
IF your landlord does not or will not file a TM-30 and you have TM-30 PROBLEMS, try this:
I did a TM-30 signing as "POSSESSOR". Look at the SIGNATURE line on the form, strike out the 2 other titles. Say to the IO something like; my landlord is traveling, or why landlord is unavailable, and I can't contact him, I have signed the TM-30 as "POSSESSOR" because I just moved to the property, and am here to comply with the regulations - DON'T LIE about anything!!!!! ) Do within 24 hours.
If you plan your move in advance ( I try to do 30 days in advance ), you can get utility bills / deposit receipts / instillation paperwork to add proof to your legal "POSSESSION" of the property.
Have ORIGINAL Lease and 2 copies, complete a TM-28 ( some offices use a TM-47 instead ), complete a 90 day report ( TM-47 ), copy of PP photo page, copy of extension stamp page, copy of Departure Card ( TM-6 ), copy of entry stamp ( and re-entry stamps if you have ) page. Hand the " package" to the IO within 24 hours ( open IO days - best to move after 6PM on a Friday ) of moving ......
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Good info thanks. Will this work if the lease is not in my name?
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6 minutes ago, jackdd said:
Probably depends on the immigration office, here in Chiang Mai they were happy with a copy of a signed copy of the landlord's ID card and house book, they didn't ask for the "original signed copy"
If they had asked for the "original signed copy" i would have showed it to them, but explained that i have to keep this for the next TM30 report and they can keep the copy of the copy for themself. If you are at an immigration office where they would not accept this it would of course become more complicated.
Another gem thanks. Keep the original signed copy of landlord ID and house book.
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18 minutes ago, jackdd said:
Then you don't have to report yourself, your ex-gf or the landlord would have to report you.
You might of course encounter the problem that the IO tells you you would have to report yourself (which you can't), and try to fine you before they would give you an extension.
But for this situation you could try to play them. Complete a TM30, try to turn it in (no additional documents, besides copy of passport). They will of course refuse it, and ask you if you are renting the place or whatever, tell them you just stay with a friend, act stupid. They probably will explain you that your friend has to report you, and you just stay there so you don't have to report yourself.
After your TM30 has been denied apply for the extension, if they want to fine you for not having done a TM30 refer them to the other IO who just explained you that you don't have to do a TM30 because you just stay at your friend's place.
Thanks again and yes this is the dilemma. And the I/O will be thinking "Let's see, agree with the troublemaker farang? Or collect 1,600 baht? Hmmmmm that's a tough decision.".
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22 minutes ago, jackdd said:
When signing a rental contract you should insinst on these documents anyway, how else do you know that you are renting the place from the owner?
Maybe just a scam, somebody saw an empty house, sacks your deposit and rent, and a few months later the real owner show up with police and tells you to move your ass out of his house.
You can probably report him at any police station, the question would be if they move their ass and if this helps you.
If you are renting the place then you are the possessor, so both of you are breaking the same law, one of you two has to report you.
OK thanks this is good info, it belongs in every guide book, because NO it is not obvious or this thread would not be so popular. My room is in a big apartment with security and everyone knew the landlord and no it would not be misconstrued to be a scam.
But don't they ask for a SIGNED copy of ID card, and I am assuming that doesn't mean a COPY of a signed copy of an id card? So you would need to get it new every time you returned to your place?
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4 minutes ago, jackdd said:
When signing a rental contract you should insinst on these documents anyway, how else do you know that you are renting the place from the owner?
Maybe just a scam, somebody saw an empty house, sacks your deposit and rent, and a few months later the real owner show up with police and tells you to move your ass out of his house.
You can probably report him at any police station, the question would be if they move their ass and if this helps you.
If you are renting the place then you are the possessor, so both of you are breaking the same law, one of you two has to report you.
As I stated, the lease is in my ex-gf name, she's long gone. I am staying there and also paying the rent, but I am definitely not the possessor.
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8 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:
They will send you away, demand housebook and id copy which i don't have...
I couldn't get a proof of address for the tax id without doing 90 day report and couldnt do 90 day rep without tm30....
What's the option here? Move somewhere else? That's hilarious ... ill break my lease and risk a litigation case and lose my security deposit and have all the costs and stress of moving somewhere where i don't even know if the next landlord <deleted> will do his <deleted> job.
In the end had to hire a lawyer to get my tax id... and that with elite visa.
If i move because of crap like this, it will be to portugal -.-
Amazing. My sincere condolences.
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20 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:
That is not correct. The immigration act states the owner, head of household or the possessor can do the report.
Many people do them do the TM30 reports themselves.
OK thanks Joe. But if no documents, then I could not be any of those things. Is there any system to report a landlord for failing to report me? ???? that's what I need, and apparently others on this thread as well.
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1 hour ago, userabcd said:
If you stay in a hotel in BKK they should report you automatically, if it is a private residence then you should report yourself to BKK immigration, when you return to Korat then you should report to immigration within 24 hrs of arrival at your residence.
See, this is where I draw a blank. My lease is in the ex-gf name, she's gone, landlord won't give me any docs, could someone please explain how to "report myself"? Let's say I arrive in the country and go camping at Kow Yai. No documents. How to "report myself"? Thanks.
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Excellent info thanks. It means the bank statement will not be the same date as submitting the application. I wonder how that will go ???? Probably will need BOTH the yearly and the same date statements.
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The Thai system builds a CODE into your account number which indicates the branch. That's why changing branches ALWAYS requires a new bank number.
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In the 60's and 70's the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 21 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.
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What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting.
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Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?
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Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”
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2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:
Your God didn't give you a sense of humor, evidently. It's a trait observed in many fanatics. Possibly it's a combination of smell and eyesight, as they are the most renowned trackers on the planet.
There is no such thing as pure water outside a laboratory, and that takes specialised equipment even there.
Religious groups put a lot of effort into discounting evolution, as it is terribly inconvenient for them.
So glad we now in agreement that all humans are highly similar which agrees with the latest scientific research.
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2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:I generally agree with your post, but can you expand on this ?
Certainly sir. A good example is the parable of the man born blind:
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
See? The world has been cruel to this man born blind, the obvious response would be that this was a work of Satan, yet Jesus didn't say that. He said "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.".
Question: what the heck does that mean? Answer this question and you will understand the world.
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35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:
It is certainly possible to believe in a god that created everything, but doesn't have a "hands on" attitude, so leaving humans to do whatever they want, for good or ill.
This is good and getting close. The world is exactly how it needs to be if God's promises are true. Example: no one could receive a crown of long-suffering if there was never any long-suffering.
The problems of this world are not due to Satan,, and anyone that says so, even if it is Billy Graham himself, lacks understanding.
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2 hours ago, Lacessit said:
Aboriginals can smell water. I've seen them do it. Permit me to doubt even with lifelong acclimatization, you could achieve the same ability.
Possibly your great grandchildren could evolve that facility, although it's a scary thought that your line would go that far.
Water, in it's pure form, has no smell, but it is possible they are detecting humidity or the impurities in groundwater. And as I already said, I don't think the Londoner could do it, as that would be a learned skill, honed since birth.
My friend says he detects water with his divining rod, and sometimes he has, so can I assume you believe him?
Please get back on topic, and personal insults merely shows everyone your weakening position. DNA scientists agree that we are highly similar, much more so than any other species, and much more so than would be expected from an evolution hypothesis. Do you agree?
From The Smithsonian:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics
"People today look remarkably diverse on the outside. But how much of this diversity is genetically encoded? How deep are these differences between human groups? First, compared with many other mammalian species, humans are genetically far less diverse – a counterintuitive finding, given our large population and worldwide distribution. For example, the subspecies of the chimpanzee that lives just in central Africa, Pan troglodytes troglodytes, has higher levels of diversity than do humans globally, and the genetic differentiation between the western (P. t. verus) and central (P. t. troglodytes) subspecies of chimpanzees is much greater than that between human populations. "
Please take up your petty argument with them, not me thanks.
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4 hours ago, Lacessit said:
I can guarantee you would not survive more than a day or two at most in the Australian desert environment, while Aboriginals can.
And how much of that is lifetime conditioning and learned survival skills rather than genetics? If I grew up in a tribe my whole life, I can guarantee that I could survive as long as a native.
And conversely, if an Aboriginal grew up in London his whole life, wasn't conditioned, didn't learn outback survival skills, he also would not survive. There is no question that genetics plays a role, but not as much as you might believe. I say again that we are all remarkably similar and there is a reason.
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Yes this is true but just gently asking why is the search function unable to be improved? There is general consensus that it is useless. How many people over the years have wasted hours trying to use it and finally given up? Myself included.