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Viral structure and infection
An echovirus measures 24-30 nanometres (nm), and is similar to other viruses, since it has a naked protein capsid, which makes up 75% of the virus particle that encloses a dense central core of single-stranded RNA. This RNA has a length of approximately 7.5 kilobase (kb), contains an RNA replicase, viral-coded proteins, and a single polyprotein that is responsible for the formation of structural proteins and other proteins necessary for cellular replication. The structural proteins determine host range and play a very important role in delivering the RNA genome into the cytoplasm of new host cells.[3]
Some viral replication of an echovirus occurs in the nasopharynx after infection and then spreads to regional lymph nodes. However, most viral particles are swallowed and they reach the lower gut tract, where the virus is presumed to bind to specific receptors. The virus then spreads to the lower intestinal tract, replicating but not causing any major cellular effects along the way. Next, the virus spreads to many secondary sites in the body such as the central nervous system, liver, spleen, bone marrow, heart and finally the lungs. Additional replication of the virus will occur, causing symptoms 4 to 6 days after infection. The most deadly part however is delayed when symptoms of a central nervous system disease start to appear. Enteroviruses are capable of infecting any cell in the body. These viruses are highly infectious. They can spread through the air to other hosts 13 weeks after infection and can spread through feces to other hosts eight weeks after infection.
So if this is the case.
The people concerned may have been infected elsewhere before they arrived in Chiang Mai.
Going on the 3 to 4 days incubation period.
And all stayed at the TRENDY Downtown Inn !!
NZ police etc trying to get more info, but all very silent from thai authorities -
Usual LOS attitude of say little and wait for bad publicity to go away !
Apparently they are sending tissue samples to US/Japan for analysis -
of course whether they are samples from the deceased who knows : )
Cynical ... MMmm YES, but after many years as a former Thai Private investigator, thats with good reason !
Interested in any further info on this - appreciate an updates from you CM locals.
choke dee
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Likewise my daughter born in LOS. Was happpy with a private room for around 40k, but Mrs wanted thai/normal ... so went to Ramatipodee Hospital, which was near our Apartment in Victory Monument. Went in the morning, had baby that night, great care, sent home 2 days later, total cost about 4000 bt. !
Had to use mothers family name, but got a kiwi passport [ and criteria same as for UK] immediately, through being NZ by descent, and after we returned to NZ a few years later, just changed her family name by deed poll.
Either / or no probs, but suggest go with what makes your wife happy, and certainly I would have no doubts about Thai hospitals/care.
Once school age started to loom, - I did feel she was better off out of the kingdom, hence the reason I left, and likewise, that is a move, [ for my daughters sake] that I certainly dont regret.
Best wishes to you and the 'family'
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Talking of Dons & Chiang Mai...
had a Saudi based friend ask after ; Don Warford ?
Last known to be in Chiang mai ... but about a year ago, his Thai wife named Duen -
Just an old friend wanting to catch up if any Chiang mai based Guys know of him.
cheers,
TPE.
[The original, now retired and back in NZ.]
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Knowing Thais ... and the information on the thread [ very informative and appreciate those close to steve giving some thoughts ] - I would think maybe the Thai Boyfriend had a fair amount of influence. If he was one of the first, or a long time boyfriend - [ maybe they even had a child ? ] they can retain a very influencing role over the TG - especially if it seemed like he may be able to share in the financial benefits.
Can only reitterate condolances and the tragedy of the whole affair - It does pay to delve as much as possible into your TGs background, especially if/when large amounts of cash become involved.
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Chuchok -
Hi Pal - re Dom Post, I provided some background, e.g. mentioned that Chonburi is a home of hitmen, that the going rate used to be 100,000bt for a farang - and that Thai women who are mia noi's, usuallu understand the rules, the would be upset at getting dumped, but not to the extent of arranging a proffessional hit. As it transpires, it seems it is more than a jealousy things, certainly money involved, perhaps ms Jentana said in jest to someone they could have half the 700,000 bt ? and it was taken seriously, who knows, again I can only agree with other posters, and offer my condolences to those involved, - over the years saw many Westerners ripped off by TGs, and more often than not be those who were not bar girls ... but any cases i dealt with where such 'hits' were involved, always related to politics, and/or vast amounts of money -
Miltia X - appreciate your insights.
regards.
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I find it interesting that defamation is such a big issue in this country, but there is absolutely no problem in speculating on the misdeeds of a victim (especially a foreign victim) and how he somehow "deserved" what he got.
Scott ;
Very true .... as is the fact that no matter where your TG comes from, one of her oft used phrases will be " Som Num Nar " - or if she delves into philosphical thought, it will be 'Wen Gum'
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Mobi D
Can I maybe say in Howards defence, [ whom I have not met ] that by and large farangs, or anyone for that matter, is of course told by Thai Police just what the police feel like - so they may report in good faith, but it may not be the truth, and a different office may give a different tale !
I was framed/thrown in thai jails on more than 1 occasion, when someone wanted me out of the way - not very pleasant, and if i didnt have either the money or contacts, would have spent much longer than the usual 2 or 3 days inside ! - Again I feel it is a desire in this type of case, to have it wrapped and buried ASAP, - unfortunately that does not always mean it is solved correctly -
A number of high profile cases have been re-opened / questioned over the years, people who have been jailed for 10+ years have suddenly been set free ... the renowned [ forget her name, but she has a shocking hair-do] forensic Thai scientist has caught police out on many occasions over the past few years ... all a case of TIT I guess, -
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Likewise I no longer spend much time on local forums - mainly as I returned to NZ several years ago, - I was getting to the stage where may well have copped a bullet also, or else cirrosis of the liver ! - actually I had a baby daughter who's wellbeing I put first, anyway, I do often get asked to comment in NZ on Asian affairs, having perhaps been the countries best known Investigator in S.E. Asia from the early 1990's to 2003, - my comment [ in todays Dominion Post] was that I very much doubted a mia noi would have the money or contacts, to arrange an obviously proffesional hit - we all know chonburi is the home of many gunmen - in my day a Hit on a farang was 100,000 bt, I doubt it has gone down ; we also know Thai [Police/govt] dont like bad news re tourist resorts lingering in the press for long, so like quick closures, - even if not always the correct one !
Allowing MilitiaX is correct in his facts, the 700,000bt does put a different light on things, and would seem to confirm the Girlfriends involvement - obviously the police will access her bank accounts, so that should confirm thing fairly quickly. Without doubt, somewhere along the line, major money will be involved for this to have happened, its not just a case of the girl, [ or other mia nois] having an extreme jealousy fit !
the original 'Thaiprivateeye.'
Mystery Illness Strikes Again Near Night Bazaar
in Chiang Mai
Posted · Edited by metisdead
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Latest idea is perhaps the Air conditioners ... aka Legionaires disease ??
Not surprisingly however, Thai authourities saying very little to the likes of NZ Police/realtives of the deceased.
I daresay the Downtown inn will shortly undergo a name change !
Appreciate any update/local news on the matter -
choke dee
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