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7 minutes ago, transam said:
Back home, insurance cost is based on a few things, including performance of the vehicle.
The acceleration of an EV would put it into a very high insurance bracket.
Also, I would expect to see more folk killed in an EV if they start using the available power and didn't know what they were doing.....
Anyone here got an EV in the UK, if so what is the insurance premium...? 🤗
Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them
Lack of parts, Long period off the road waiting for parts from China ,No documentation on how to repair vehicles, mismatch in the viability of repairs Chinese costs vs European Costs
No Supply Chain
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/
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2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
You do post some nonsense now and again.
Its only nonsense from your point of view clearly this subject is being discussed by many different groups from the video in the op to the Bloomberg article and not everyone agrees with your point of view
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1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:
So do you think they would only limit acceleration for EV's
Is there any reason why it shouldn't apply to ICE too?
How do you think Porsche, Rimac & Lotus would react?
The will look at which group of vehicles that where the number of deaths and serious injury are increasing to an unacceptable level due to extreme acceleration
if ICE vehicles come into that group then or course they will apply similar measures to ICE vehicles but if they don't then there is no need to apply
3 years ago if someone stated on these forums that in 2024 there would be a separate policy definition for car insurance for EV compared to ICE vehicles and that there would be sliding scale on the amount for battery coverage they would have been told it will never happen
Porsche, Rimac & Lotus will do the same as every other brand that needs to adjust because laws change
If you go back 80 years there was stiff opposition from customers regarding the installation of seat belts some customers requested the manufacturers removed them when fitting became mandatory some customers challenged seat-belt laws in court
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt
At the end of day EV's are about climate change not extreme acceleration so i imagined that any courts cases for maintaining EV extreme acceleration would be rejected and thrown out but we will have to wait and see
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11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
And if you asked the government about alien bananas arriving from Betelgeuse to take over the world they would say
Currently we have no
plans to apply any changesup to date information on the plans of alien bananas that would result inlimiting the acceleration in our carsthe earth being invaded however if we were mandated toapply such a change from the Transport safety officedisclose such plans in your country then we would have no choice but toapply such a changenotify youGet my drift?
Seems I have hit a nerve with you I expect it will be mandatory the 0-100 km acceleration must be higher than 5.0 for road cars and lower than 5.0 for track cars not licensed for road use
https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/acceleration-electric-car
End of the line for demon king drivers
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27 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:
Vinny actually has a good point and EV owners might soon "volunteering" lower their cars performance, to avoid paying an insurance premium.
In Russia, having a dash camera reduces insurance cost and we know EV owners are penny pinchers at the pump or power cable, so most will go slow 🐌 to save a few baht.
Thailand is known to be one of the most unsafe countries worldwide when measured by the proportion of people who die in a road traffic accident. In its most recent global report (2018), the WHO ranks Thailand as the number 9 country with the highest road traffic death rate, with 32.7 deaths per 100,000 population (2018)
We know what the main causes of accidents are: motorcyclists not wearing a helmet, people drinking and driving, and speeding. These three risk behaviors, often combined, make traffic dangerous for both the drivers and the passengers, but also for pedestrians, bicyclists and other road users.
https://www.who.int/thailand/news/detail/03-01-2023-a-new-year-s-resolution--for-life
Once we have seen a major accident in Thailand resulting in a number of children deaths and the root cause of the accident was ev extreme acceleration I expect the Government will pass laws that mandate acceleration be limited in EV
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20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
Definitely not.
I cannot see Porsche limiting their EV's Taycan & Macan. If you do EV's you HAVE to do ICE, nope, never, not going to happen.
If you ask MG for a guarantee that they wouldn't apply any changes to reducing the acceleration in their cars
the stock answer will be
Currently we have no plans to apply any changes that would result in limiting the acceleration in our cars however if we were mandated to apply such a change from the Transport safety office in your country then we would have no choice but to apply such a change
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3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
A chart from Robert Bryce who is funded by big oil
Also untrue, see https://www.ey.com/en_us/newsroom/2023/06/ey-research-nearly-half-of-us-car-buyers-intend-to-purchase-an-ev
Not going to happen.
Do you do it to EV's? if you do then you have to do it to all ICE's ie Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Koeniggseg, Spyker etc etc
Never in a million years 555
I think you will find limiting EV extreme acceleration will happen sooner than you think
there is a huge difference in numbers on the road of high performance ICE vehicles vs EV's
Insurance companies and Government safety agencies are already looking at Number of deaths , accidents and serious injuries from EV's accidents compared to ICE
Electric car acceleration ‘makes crashes more likely’
Broker says premiums are being driven up by the higher number of EV accident claims
Electric car drivers are having more accidents because they are not used to the powerful acceleration, a top insurance broker has claimed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/27/electric-cars-acceleration-powerful-crash-more/
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When the number of deaths and serious injury increase to an unacceptable level due to extreme acceleration
Expect that manufacturers will be required to mandatory apply a change to all existing and new vehicles to limit the extreme acceleration on EV's
Extreme Acceleration Is the New Traffic Safety Frontier
The electric vehicle revolution has also helped deliver a new golden age of automotive horsepower — and safety regulators aren’t ready for it
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-01-06/welcome-to-the-age-of-extreme-acceleration
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5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
Ok, I'll try one last time. Oh, and by the way, you can't have it both ways. You posted an article that says 22% of Chinese EV owners surveyed said they would not buy another one. You're happy to post that. But when I say that means 78% are fine with their decision you say it's not allowed because "The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not".So it's ok to post the negative aspect without knowing the exact question asked but not ok to infer the opposite without knowing the exact question asked.
So, if the article is saying 22% of those asked said they wouldn't buy another EV what question do you think they were asked? Do they like turnips? What's their favourite colour? Or perhaps "would you buy another EV?". Maybe?
I hope you can see the hypocrisy now. Probably not, but for sure everyone else can.
I posted "A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car
yes we don't know the question asked in the survey it might have been Will your next car be a NEV
Now what we don't know is what was the response of the other 78% it might have been yes next car will be a NEV or it might have been a % for yes and a % for not sure or a % will say depends on what is available when we come to replace our current model
So we don't know the question that was asked and we don't know the response from the other 78% there may have been multiple replies
As stated
All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy
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7 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
I don't get it. I hate beetroot, just my personal taste. I don't go on vegetable forums and tell people beetroot are stupid, that 22% of people who bought a beetroot didn't like it, I don't search for links and surveys to try to convince people who like beetroot that they are wrong. Why would I waste my time doing that? I just don't like beetroot.
I honestly don't understand the motivation of these people. Why not just say "I don't like EVs, I prefer petrol". That would be fine as it is a personal opinion. Say you don't like them and move on and get on with your day. What triggers people so much about a different propulsion method that they have to waste their time (and ours) posting nonsense about it?And I don't get why you would post that I posted a link claiming xxx when I clearly didn't post such a link
And why you attempt to extrapolate a point of view where no such information is available from within the article
https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/
If you think my posts are nonsense and wasting your time the simply answer is to ignore them and don't reply
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1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:
Why do you bother?
I don't understand your motivation for hating EV's, have you ever driven one?
I wouldn't expect you to allow anyone on this forum to get away with posting fake information about EV's or ICE vehicles on this forum unless it was favorable towards EV's
I don't plan on changing vehicles until 2028
And yes I have driven an EV
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1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:
EV mating season.
Tesla has been ordered to recall nearly 4,000 of its Cybertrucks due to an accelerator pedal that can stick in place when pressed down.
The cause, according to the regulator: soap.
“An unapproved change introduced lubricant (soap) to aid in the component assembly of the pad onto the accelerator pedal. Residual lubricant reduced the retention of the pad to the pedal,” the NHTSA wrote in the recall document.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/19/business/tesla-cybertruck-recall/index.html#:~:text=Tesla
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3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
Sigh, it is simple maths. 22% regret their decision and wouldn't buy another EV. Subtract that from 100 and you get 78% who obviously are fine with their decision to buy an EV and wouldn't change it. No?
So 90% are happy in 1st and 2nd tier cities - great! That's a lot of people. China is a big place so if the infrastructure is poor in 3rd and 4th tier cities it stands to reason that the ratio would be lower. TBH I have no idea what the charging infrastructure is like in Chinese 3rd and 4th tier cities. Same as anywhere else - if you don't have home charging or need to drive long distances and there are not enough CSs then it's not going to be a happy ownership experience - that isn't news and no one denies it.
Ok, let's just leave it. You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision. I said that's about the average approval rating for most types of cars and you kept pestering for a link so I gave you one that happened to come from the States. I am not sure why you are fixated on this because it is not a massive claim, it is just life, and it is incidental. Let's move on as this is pointless.And Once again your posting rubbish please provide the link where I posted "You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision." as I know that I didn't post such a link
All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy
The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not all it states
Once again a tissue of fake claims try reading the article slowly
One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another
A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,
The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities.
All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy
The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/
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39 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
Jeez, you forgot already that you posted that 22% regret their choice of an EV. Ergo 78% are happy with their choice, no?
https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/
Because it is so important to you I have found a link that shows that is kind of an average approval rating for a car. Here's how many people would buy the same car again (interestingly an EV brand tops the list, sorry) A 78% approval rating such as in your story is actually quite high.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy
The article does state
The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities. The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.
https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/
Your average approval rating is strange as now your quoting a US website previously you were quoting figures from a SMMT survey and most people should know that the
The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) supports and promotes the interests of the UK automotive industry at home and abroad.
Best cars to own: Driver Power 2023 results
The best new cars to own in the UK right now according to the people who already do. It’s the 2023 Driver Power results!
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results
No ev's in the top 10 some do appear in the 11-75 listings
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results
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10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
No need to get your knickers in a twist. I am not claiming something surprising, You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV. I was merely pointing out that, generally, that is about the average for any type of vehicle. It's not a major claim, just common sense. If I said the sky was blue would you need a link? What about saying water was wet?
Of course some people will regret buying an EV if they haven't properly researched things. Buy one without home charging and you would regret it for sure. Buy one if you need to drive hundreds of kilometres at a time on a regular basis and you would probably regret it. You said 78% of people are happy, that sounds about right. The 22% made a mistake.Personally I regret buying an ICEV as I spent 2.4m baht on it and now I could get a BYD Seal Performance for 800k less with better technology, much better performance (0-100kmh in an instantly accessible 3.8s as opposed to the sluggish, non linear and noisy 6.6s that I have now) and with a much nicer driving experience. I could buy a Deepal L07S for 1.15m baht less, and they are fantastic (I have been in one and it is gorgeous). Heck I could buy one for my wife too! Of course they weren't on the market four years ago when I bought my ICEV but if I had my choice again today it would be a no brainer.
Please provide a link where I posted " You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV."
I know you can't provide a link to support your post like you can't provide a link to support your previous post on this thread
Looks like my summary of your posts were 100% correct your post is 100% pure bull
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Overall New Energy Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Decreases, J.D. Power Finds
Interesting that only Deepal , GAC AION and Changan appear in the top 10 of Chinese Brands
While Byd, Ora, Neta and Wuling appear in the Bottom top 10 of Chinese Brands
The overall CXVI score for Chinese domestic brands in 2023 is 768, down 27 points from 795 in 2022, while the index score for international brands is 779, which is 23 points lower than the score in 2022.
CXVI = Customer Experience Value Index
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35 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
New headline for you: 78% of Chinese EV owners happy with their choice.
"According to a survey conducted by the UK's Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) in 2020, approximately 75% of car owners in the UK are satisfied with their current vehicle.Here's a breakdown of the survey's findings:
- 75% of respondents reported being "very satisfied" or "satisfied" with their current vehicle.
- 15% reported being "neutral" or "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied".
- 10% reported being "dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with their current vehicle.
It's worth noting that these figures are based on a survey of over 2,000 UK car owners and may not be representative of the entire UK population. Additionally, the survey did not ask about specific aspects of car ownership, such as fuel efficiency, reliability, or maintenance costs.
It's also important to consider that car ownership is a complex and multifaceted issue, influenced by a range of factors, including personal preferences, lifestyle, and environmental concerns."
Can't link to it as it was a summary from Grok, but the point is obvious.If you can't provide a link to support your post then your post is 100% pure bull<deleted>
If I posted something without providing supporting links I would expect to be told the same
The SMMT is not known for doing these types of Survey's and searching the SMMT website you will find zero results using keywords from your post
Top 10 best-selling cars 2024
Without further ado, here are the UK’s official best-selling cars of 2024 so far, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-selling-cars
Not a single EV listed in the Top 10
Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them
While Britain sees an influx of Chinese marques, many insurers are hesitant to underwrite the new EVs for a number of reasons
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/
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Chinese EV owners queue for well over an hour for a charging station during holidays and then wait another average 50 minutes for the vehicle to charge, according to a 2023 report by the China Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Promotion Alliance (EVCIPA). On busy days, long queues form on highways, and 70% of surveyed Chinese EV owners reported dissatisfaction with waiting times. In rural regions, charging stations are scarce or simply out of service.
https://restofworld.org/2024/ev-battery-swapping-china/
I have seen posts on Facebook groups in Thailand where the owner has access to both an EV and ICE vehicle choosing to use the ICE vehicle over Songkran rather than the EV
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One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another
A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,
The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.
However, this growth has outpaced infrastructure development, particularly in the provision of charging points, leading to grievances among electric vehicle owners, the report said.
https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/
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5 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:
Exactly. Second hand value of EV's will be pennies. Anyone buying a second hand EV will assume that a battery replacement will be necessary and that does not come cheap, not to mention the charging time and the availability of chargers.
Last October in the Facebook groups I did see approx 10-20 Byd atto 3 appear from owners that want to sell and buy the Seal model used prices advertised were from B800,000 -B1,100,000 the top end pricing was very close to the official retail price for the extended version
Problem for both sellers and buyers as finance wouldn't lend on used ev payment options were limited to cash or taking over the finance contract (Can be expensive if original buyer went for low down payment option and finance repayments over 72 months
So some people took a B400k hit on a few months old car because they wanted the seal model
I have seen recently someone wants to offload their November Byd Atto3 model problem for them total outstanding on their finance agreement was B1.3million baht no-one is going to pay that amount on a used 2023 model when a brand new atto3 extended can be purchased for B949,900
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1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:
Exactly. Second hand value of EV's will be pennies. Anyone buying a second hand EV will assume that a battery replacement will be necessary and that does not come cheap, not to mention the charging time and the availability of chargers.
Electric vehicle market faces risk from non-performing loans
Pinyo further explained that if these seized EVs were to be sold in the second-hand car market, it’s unlikely that financial institutions would provide loan schemes for potential buyers of used EVs. The lack of confidence in granting loans in the second-hand EV market stems from the market’s expected small size and the continued fluctuation in new EV prices, making it difficult for banks to calculate the value of used EVs, said Pinyo.
https://thethaiger.com/news/business/electric-vehicle-market-faces-risk-from-non-performing-loans
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12 hours ago, josephbloggs said:
Elon Musk posted this on Twitter / X this morning. Absolutely shockingly misleading! They are close to $40k - you can't include petrol savings in the list price (with small print)!! And the petrol savings are over what timespan?
I generally like Elon for his achievements and vision, although dislike his ring wing nonsense. But this just seems desperate and is really shady. Imagine a train company saying London to Liverpool is £40 (rather than the £100 it actually is) because you are saving the £60 you'd have to spend on petrol if you were to drive. Tesla must be seriously hurting, and stunts like this diminish their credibility.
The Tesla website shows $6,000 gas savings over a 5 year period 10,000 miles per year
https://www.tesla.com/modely/design?financeModalTab=gas_savings#overview
if the buyer qualifies for a federal tax credit then $7,500 would be taken off the $42,990 base price
So potentially a combined saving of $13,500 from the $42,990 base price
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1 hour ago, steve187 said:
the nation reports there are 512,343 ev's ( nov 2023)in Thailand against 20,463,502 (nov 2023) ice vehicles(ceicdata.com)
Not everyone on this forum would consider them to be EV's
This number can be divided by categories as follow:
Battery EV: 120,719 units; Hybrid EV (benzene): 326,178; Hybrid EV (diesel): 11,596; Hybrid EV (LPG/benzene): 400; Plug-in hybrid EV (benzene): 53,172; Plug-in hybrid EV (diesel): 278.
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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:
Simply 'follow the money'
Of course they are pushing cars that need to buy high profit fuel to run, and require expensive upkeep & repairs, vs cheaper electric at home or on the road (location dependent) and little to no regular servicing or repair.
You don't expect them to disrupt their 'money train' ... of course BEV are evil & impractical.
automotive manufacturers have no input into the price of fuel be it petrol, diesel or electric
Even when the price of fuels go down end customers see little difference as governments normal use any long term fall in prices to increase they % of taxes built into the price
In 2020 the price of oil in Texas when down to -$37.63 per barrel but is bounced back the next day so end customers wouldn't have noticed anything
The reality
in Thailand Motor Discussion
Posted
I think the majority of parts for EV's are supplied from China
There will be a EV supply chain park opening at the end of this year
In current terms of economy, jobs supply chain ICE is the key provider example toyota hilux built in Thailand as built 90% from locally supported parts
https://aseannow.com/topic/1325045-chinese-firms-eye-ev-supply-chain-in-thailand’s-smart-park/#comment-18846391