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7 minutes ago, Sheryl said:
Entry on a re-entry permit does nto generate a new permission to stay nor does it extend existing permission to stay. There is no way that one would be required to show insurance for the same reason you do not have to show at entry your 800k in the bank: you are not applying for an extension nor getting a new permission to stay.
in addition the police order specifically states that existing permissions of stay will be unaffected. It is only new permissions to stay/extensions,.
Entering on a re-entry permit is a non-issue. If there will be issues it will be at the next extension.
So, if I'm reading the above correctly, you're saying that any OA granted before 31st October without insurance will allow re-entries in the first year, because it has implicit multi-entry and it will also allow entries in the second year if you get a re-entry permit before exiting at the end of the first year. Is that correct?
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1 minute ago, lkv said:
Basically yes. That is my concern the way I am reading the Police order.
And you might be right.
Or you might be wrong ????
There's no way to know. I'm sure if we could take a poll of all of the IOs in Thailand right now, there would be no consensus, so what chance do we have?
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2 minutes ago, lkv said:
You seriously believe that, on say, 20 October 2020, Immigration will allow entry without insurance to a person with a non O-A issued on 25 October 2019?
Edited just now by lkv
By the same token, I was issued a 1 year OA 3 days ago. If I exit and enter tomorrow, you seriously believe they won't let me back in if don't have insurance? It's rhetorical question, because the only way we will know is when someone tries it, or rather when several people try it because I wouldn't be at all surprised if different people are treated differently, especially in the early days.
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5 minutes ago, lkv said:
However, because it's his second entry already, he must prove he has insurance, and will be granted a permission of stay according to the length of his insurance, not longer than 12 months.
That's your reading of it, but, as far as I know, none of that is confirmed. My situation is almost exactly the one in your hypothetical example. I haven't read anything definitive about a difference between a first and second entry. There is much speculation about how it will play out, but no-one yet has any real-life experience of exiting and re-entering on an OA post 31st October.
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1 minute ago, Pib said:
But if a person is already past that first year validity date and now in his second year because he left and reentered just before the validity expired then if he left without a reentry permit that would kill off the OA/permission to stay date.
I see what you're saying about the Retirement Extension, but I'm not sure about the part above. Say you leave and re-enter just before the end of the first year. You now have another year. Are you saying that if you want exit and re-enter during this second year, you need a re-entry permit?
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8 minutes ago, Pib said:
Or leave Thailand "without" a reentry permit which then causes your OA to die upon leaving Thailand and then reenter Thailand on a exempt entry. Then start the process to convert the exempt to a Non-O within Thailand.
Do you mean leave Thailand without insurance? As I understand it OA is multi-entry. You don't need an additional permit.
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7 minutes ago, Maestro said:
The cabinet resolution was a statement of principle, directing the various government agencies to work out the details. From what I know and have seen so far, there are:
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Thanks for your work in pulling all of these together.
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12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:
The police order that went into effect today states proof of insurance is needed for every entry when using a OA visa issued on or after today.
Right, but the longstay website says that you can use foreign insurance only for the first year, after that you have to use Thai insurance. That's not explicit in the cabinet resolution.
12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:Buying the insurance online is more or less possible through one of the participating insurers. See: https://longstay.tgia.org/home/companiesoa
Yes, it's possible to buy insurance, but point 2 reads, at least to me, as though those mentioned ministries should provide us with more information about what is going on, not just a list of where we can buy insurance. Maybe it's being a bit optimistic to hope for that.
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4 hours ago, Maestro said:
Cabinet,x Resolution of 2 April 2919, English translation, arranged by Jonathan Fairfield.
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So nothing in the cabinet resolution about foreign insurance being for the first year only, although they do voice their concerns. It reads as though they haven't considered that an OA can result in a stay of over 12 months.
I wonder when the ministries of Public Health, Foreign Affairs, Tourism and Sports, and Immigration will be publishing this "updated information" referred to in point 2.
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4 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:
But if applying overseas with this the bank books could be completely out of date and no way to update? I was wondering if an online statement was the way?
If you're with Bangkok Bank, they have a branch in London, where I guess you'd be able to get the book updated. I don't know about the other banks. I have a feeling Kasikorn doesn't have one.
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12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
Read post 330 in this topic.
Just look at the various topics on the forums for further evidence.
The Insurance requirement even applies to extensions based on retirement from expats who entered on a Non O-A Visa in 2008.
I'm aware of that as I said in my post to you above, quoted below. We're really not going convince each other or get to the bottom of it until people start testing it or more information comes to light. Best just to wait and see. I don't have anything to lose by doing that. I'm not buying insurance for the OA. If I have to buy it at some later date, so be it.
3 hours ago, Exploring Thailand said:I'm not aware of that. As far as I know, that has not been confirmed. In fact, I believe I should theoretically be able to exit and re-enter without insurance, because the OA-visa will be dated prior to 31st Oct. The reports I've seen of people being told otherwise were from people who had applied for an extension of stay after the O-A had expired. Though, I stand to be corrected on any of that, because it all seems to be very much up in the air at the moment.
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2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
You didn't even have time to read the information I posted in the PDF before replying.
I read it and I've read it several times before. I think it's badly worded but I believe that what they intend is that everything in the document applies to visas issued from 31st October. There's not much point continuing the back-and-forth; we'll know shortly.
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1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:
Yes, a valid O-A Visa that after 31/10/19 requires proof of medical Insurance attached as a condition to grant entry.
We'll just have to wait and see. As I understand, it is the date of issue of the visa that is the deciding factor. Visas issued before 31/10 do not require insurance to leave and re-enter the country. I appreciate that you read it differently. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see similar differences of opinion between airport IOs, until this settles down.
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2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
If I can use your O-A Visa as an example....
So if I am granted an OA-visa on the 29th October, enter Thailand on 30th, leave Thailand on the 1st November, I will be refused re-entry for having no insurance? That seems like a stretch even for for Thailand. In your explanation, you mention that my permission to stay ceases when I exit Thailand, and that I am granted a new permission to stay when I re-enter. OK, but I still have the same visa. Isn't it the case that the requirement for insurance is attached to the visa, not to the permission to stay?
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In fact, thinking about it, all the IO needs to check is
- Is there annotation
- If if there is an annotation, has it expired yet (i.e. has the insurance expired)?
Any OA with no annotation was issued before the new requirements so there is nothing to check, other than that the visa itself has not expired.
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5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
After 31st Oct, I'm expecting a few topics relating to refused entry on an O-A Visa, because no proof of medical Insurance.
I think all we can do is wait and see. Every OA issued after the new rules come into effect will have an annotation giving details of the insurance. Those that were issued before the new rules came into effect won't have have the annotation because insurance was not required. The only grey area is what happens when somebody with no annotation leaves and re-enters. I think the should be allowed back in. All the IO has to do is check the date of issue of the OA. Whether it works like that in practice remains to be seen.
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12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
Not if your intending to enter from 31st October onwards.
They've taken a responsible approach to the situation, and advising on the requirement, unlike other Embassies who haven't as yet updated their sites with the relevant information.
With 8 working days left to apply, obtain and enter Thailand, that's cutting it fine.
It's good that they're letting visitors to the site know about the requirement for insurance. It's not good that there is no indication on the site that the requirement is not effective until the 31st.
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6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
You are perfectly aware that you'll be granted permission to stay until 29th Oct 2020 on entry.
However if you leave before or up to that date, you will be required to provide proof of medical Insurance to gain entry.
I'm not aware of that. As far as I know, that has not been confirmed. In fact, I believe I should theoretically be able to exit and re-enter without insurance, because the OA-visa will be dated prior to 31st Oct. The reports I've seen of people being told otherwise were from people who had applied for an extension of stay after the O-A had expired. Though, I stand to be corrected on any of that, because it all seems to be very much up in the air at the moment.
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3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:
Yes it is. London aren't processing O-A applications without proof of medical Insurance.
4 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:Ah! Then Insurance nor required.
If you'd have stipulated from 31st October onwards, you'd have received an e-mail requesting proof of Medical Insurance …….that's exactly what happened to a friend.
That's right. You don't need it before the 31st. I replied to you because you said that London are not processing O-A without proof of medical insurance, when actually, they are.
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1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:
What date of arrival did you stipulate?
Have they approved your application and issued the Visa yet?
Arrival on the 30th. They haven't approved it, nor issued the visa yet.
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8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:
It's on the London Embassy website.
http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/84508-Non-Immigrant-visas.html
As I wrote above, I wrote to the London Thai Embassy last week asking them when it comes into effect. They said 31st October. I have also completed an online application via the longstay website and was not asked for insurance details. Despite what it says on the London website, they are not requiring insurance before the 31st.
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2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:
Yes it is. London aren't processing O-A applications without proof of medical Insurance.
Actually, they are. I wrote to them and asked when the new regulations came into effect. Below is the reply I received. I have just completed, though not yet submitted, an online application to be sent to London, and I wasn't required to provide insurance details.
Dear Sir/Madam,
from 31 October hopefullyKind Regards,
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53 minutes ago, KeeTua said:
The more correct translation of that last line is as you suppose:
'To stay in the Kingdom for the period permitted'
Paste into Google Translate to check:
ให้อยู่ในราชอาณาจักรต่อไปได้ตามระยะเวลาที่ได้รับอนุญาต
Right, or even from my own intermediate Thai ตามระยะเวลาที่ได้รับอนุญาต = following/according to the the period of time for which {you} have received permission.
Health Insurance: Non-Imm O-A
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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When I entered 3 days ago, I was granted permission to stay for a year. According to what Sheryl wrote, I should have no problem re-entering during that year.
What is the usual procedure for getting a re-entry permit for use during the second year? Do people wait until after the first 12 months has passed before buying a re-entry permit, or do they buy it before the 12 months has passed? Either way, why couldn't I do the same thing?