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You have to keep the money there for three months. I’ve seen posts where Jomtien wants you to return in 90 days to show them that the money was there for the entire three months. They should tell you that they want you to return when they give you your extension. This return visit is not related to your 90 day report. They are two different things though they may coincide with same dates. Many other Immigration offices do not require you to return in 90 days to verify your bank deposits. Bangkok is one of these. They verifying that to met your financial requirements by examining a year’s banking statements at the time of your next extension.
I am sure that people who use agents will have a different experience about this.
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I was very interested in how they handled the date/time of your insurance. I will be applying for another 1 year extension In November and I will be using my insurance coverage for the first time and I have to synchronize my Pacific Cross policy with my extension dates.
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10 hours ago, Scott Tracy said:I'm getting the paperwork ready for my first O-A extension. Got the paperwork for the cheap Charlie but immigration compliant health insurance. Will submit that tomorrow once I've sorted my brain out.
Has anyone for a checklist or something similar for O-A extension? I have a feeling I may be making things a little more difficult it really needs to be.
This is my checklist for my next (3rd) application for a 1 year extension of stay of my O-A visa at the immigration office at CW in Bangkok. You didn’t say what immigration office you are using.
1 year extension of stay
2019 checklist
For 2020
- One year of bank statements - may take a week to get these
- New insurance - timed correctly - talk to Immigration and Pacific Cross about timing
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Copies of passport
- last stamp of entry Sep 29 page 18
- 2018 extension/multiple entry page 20 - 2 copies
- 2018 year extension page - 2 copies
- Copies of TM6 - Sept 29 entry from US visit page 15 - 2 copies
- Original visa page - 2 copies
- identity page - have 2x already
- TM7 form - 3 copies
- Bank statement (3 months), 4 pages - original, 1copy
- Bank letter verifying account and balance - original, 2 copies
- Passport photos -
- Print Statement document - (Tod Daniels doc) - 3 copies
- TM30 - print photo Supreeda sent to me - 3 copies
- Hand drawn map of condo location
Additional documents to bring (just in case .. . )
- Photo of me in front of condo and in lobby
- reading materials
- stapler, pen, notebook
- Passport
- Bank book
- Google map photo
- Google satellite map photo
- recent 90 day report receipt
- Condo lease
Day of application
- make copies of updated bankbook, name page and transaction
- 1,900 baht exact change
- update bankbook - withdraw 1000 baht?
Re-Entry Permit
- TM8
- 3,800 baht exact change
- Copy of passport pages
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1 hour ago, StewB1 said:
I entered Thailand just under the wire late last Oct 2019 on an O-A issued outside of Thailand which eliminated the need for me to purchase this new insurance.
Is my understanding correct in that I am able to to extend this O-A for only one more year in October 2020 and that no insurance will be required with this extension?
During the first year of your O-A visa when you leave Thailand and re-enter you get stamped with a full year permission to stay. If you exit and re-enter toward the end of the first year you effectively get two years on that visa. However, at this time it is difficult or impossible to enter the country. It will depend on the border policy in October.
You do not have to take advantage of that second year permission to stay. At the end of your first year you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay. You will need Thai insurance to meet the application requirements as well as meeting the financial requirements of 800,000 baht or the 65,000/month deposits into a Thai bank account.
If you are married to a Thai then you can apply for a one year extension of stay based on marriage. You won’t need to have insurance but you do have to meet the financial requirements of deposits in a Thai bank which I think are 400,000 baht or a monthly income (?).
The money needs to be in the Thai bank 2 months before your apply for the one year extension. If you plan to do this then you will need to prepare very soon.
A non-O would be an option to avoid the insurance requirement but that has the same problem of leaving and re-entering the country.
You can choose the cheapest insurance policy possible as described above or you can buy a full insurance policy with a large deductible to lower the cost. I would recommend Pacific Cross insurance if you want to go this route.Good luck.
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How many years do you have remaining on your Elite visa?
Maybe you can negotiate with Elite visa to extend the final date for the period of time you were prevented from entering the country.
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20 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:
Hi @ubonjoe
I am in a similar situation as the OP. I have finished a 2 year NoN Imm O-A Long Stay and now am on the Covid amnesty.
You could have gotten a 1 year extension of stay. If you are already past the second year and are here on the covid amnesty I am not sure you can do that now but you should ask.
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The thing you need to worry about is for the bank notes to be new and unblemished. No tears, missing corners, no significant wear, or writing on the notes. You will have great difficulty getting a bank to accept them otherwise. Currency exchanges might be more lenient but I don’t have much experience with them. Arrange with your home country bank to get brand new bank notes.
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How many copies did you have to make for it to amount to enough money to be worth complaining about? I usually make a couple of copies of my bank book after updating it. 15 baht? so what!
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49 minutes ago, unheard said:
I don't know how you came up with the estimation of only a third of infected being asymptomatic.
It could be as high as 90% - there's no way to know until they run antibodies testing on a really huge scale - might never happen due to the cost/benefit ratio.
Actually, there have been several studies in the past few weeks that have shown about 15-40% of those testing positive are asymptomatic. One example is the sailors on the USS Roosevelt. They found 18% of 382 sailors were both positive and asymptomatic. There have been several similar examinations of past cluster infections. These numbers can be confusing because sometimes mild and asymptomatic get bunched together giving very high percentages. There is also the problem of distinguishing pre-symptomatic from totally asymptomatic throughout the infection cycle.
From a recent issue of Time magazine
"In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%."
"Five of these studies included follow up testing of the participants; they showed that only a small fraction of people who were asymptomatic when they tested positive the first time then went on to develop symptoms. That allowed the researchers to distinguish between people who are pre-symptomatic—those who test positive but eventually go on to develop symptoms—and those who are truly asymptomatic, and test positive for COVID-19 but never develop obvious symptoms. Among the more than 2300 people sampled in the Vo population, none of the 41% who had no symptoms when they tested positive ever developed symptoms over a 14 day period."
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I guess I would define unrestricted as meaning not having to stay in 14 day quarantine. Most tourists will not travel under those conditions. That I think is at least a year away.
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1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:
I'm not a doctor, when sick, listen to what the Doctor says as they are "supposed" to be the qualified one.
We live in an age where there is a lot of information available to the general public including a lot of excellent medical information. I am aware that there is a lot of junk on the internet as well but that doesn't mean you can't respectfully question a doctor's advice if you have good reason to. A good doctor will answer you questions.
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19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:
What about the health insurance requirement? I thought there had been multiple reports recently that you only needed it if your original O-A visa was issued after the 2019 announcement? This sounds like it's needed no matter how long ago your original O-A visa was.
The health insurance requirement applies to anyone who has ever entered on an O-A visa for reason of retirement and has continuously extended it. I got my O-A in 2017 and the insurance requirement applies to me. I was lucky to get my current extension last October before they started enforcing it. I will have to meet the insurance requirement this November when my current extension of stay expires. I already have qualifying Thai insurance.
I believe the insurance requirement does not apply if you extend for reason of being married to a Thai citizen. The other way to avoid the insurance requirement to to get a new non-O visa. You can do this several ways. Get a non-O visa at a consulate outside the country or enter Thailand as a tourist and then converting to a non-O and then applying for a 1 year extension. You have to break the chain of your original O-A visa.
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Well . . . congratulations for going a month early. I do the same to give myself time to fix any problems occur. As others have mentioned, all these new requirements have been in place for a year but it would hard to know if you aren't following visa advice social media sites.
If you are over 70 years old then good luck with the insurance requirement. You may want to consider a backup plan to switch to a non-O visa. There is plenty of information on that on other discussion thread on TVF.
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Yeah. It happened to me too. I went to apply for a 1 year extension of stay from my O-A visa in February 2018 and they told me to come back in November. I had gone to Cambodia in November 2017. This experience prompted me to learn a great deal about visas. A topic I knew little about at the time.
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Just finished my 90 day report at CW. Few people there. Got there at 8:30am. Finished at 9:30am. About the same as always.
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It is not required but you can do it. I plan to go next week. For those waiting until Aug 1st please report back on the crowds on that day and whether it was worth waiting.
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Take the information you get here and just take a lot of photos. There is no penalty to bringing more than you need, it is easy to do and costs very little. I don’t understand why people try to do the absolute minimum and then complain when Immigration says you need something more.
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16 hours ago, oznomad said:
Anyone with experience of applying for OA (in their home country of course) and trying to line up the LMG insurance dates with it?
I suggest you not worry about losing a couple of weeks. You get another year stamped in when you leave and re-enter during the first year. Re-align with your insurance company when you renew your policy.
To be honest, come here on a non-O and then you don’t have to worry about any connection between your visa and extensions and your insurance policy.
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Non-Thais returning to Thailand must have a work permit and permission from the Thai consulate. You will be waiting in the UK until they relax the rules to allow more foreigners to enter.
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Different countries. Different immigration policies. Whether it is good or bad for you depends on your personal circumstances. The key is to accept that you are in a foreign country and they will probably do things differently and there is nothing you can to about it except maybe vent your frustrations on TVF.
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19 hours ago, DrDweeb said:
I cannot see any option for an "O" Visa for me on the Thai Embassy website as I have no dependents or spouse. Am I missing something? So I think not an option for me at this moment, so O-A or 30 day tourist are my options.- I could buy some real insurance because I am outside Thailand, but it seems getting a non-Thai insurer to sign off on Covid19 coverage is problematic, so this probably does not solve my Covid19 400/40 coverage entry issue.
- I would opt for the cheap and cheerful 7200THB "insurance" and apply to the Thai Embassy here for another O-A using this. This would solve my Thailand stay issue but does not solve my Covid19 400/40 coverage entry issue.
- I could enter Thailand using my annual travel insurance, however due to having been stranded several months, the 60 day trip travel limit has expired and I have no idea whether Covid19 is covered in any case. This probably does not solve my Covid19 400/40 coverage issue - I am checking.
- I could buy "Insurance Scam" insurance and apply to the Thai Embassy here for another O-A using this. This would solve my Thailand stay issue. Do these policies solve my Covid19 400/40 coverage issue? How do they even work logistically when purchasing from outside Thailand?
Did I miss any options or issues?
What a clusterf*k
Dweeb
The Covid19 insurance was something that went into effect for a short time before they closed the borders for all travelers. I'm not sure that still applies when they closed the borders to foreigners. You will probably have to wait to see what the new requirements are for foreigners to enter the country sometime after July 1.
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40 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:
No I don't, and I doubt Phuket IO will officially issue it as it goes against the PoliceOrder re the Non Imm O-A mandatory thai IO-approved health-insurance requirement when applying for 1 1-year extension of stay for reason of retirement.
But I have 2 other confirmed reports of Non Imm O-A Visa holders applying for a 1-year extension for reason of retirement that were NOT required to provide any evidence of having health-insurance. So this 'experiment' is ongoing at the moment, and Phuket Volunteers confirmed that it will be evaluated in October, but that till that time there is no need for a health-insurance policy when applying at the Phuket IO for a 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O=A Visa for reason of retirement.
I wonder what it is they are trying to determine with this "experiment". I can only imagine that they want to see if the National Government will tell them to stop experimenting. Otherwise, all they are doing is what they were doing for many years before the insurance requirement was imposed. There is nothing new to learn about that.
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8 hours ago, coastguard said:
For what it is worth
I heeded the siren call of a young lady and child and sold up. It didn't work out, Surprise, surprise! But i didn't lose all my money, and after a long parade of ladies, I settled in with a keeper. The first girl gave me this advice. I love you, but if you lose your money, I am gone, because I need to support my family, She said she wouldn't stay with a man she didn't have feeling for....but she had to be practical as well. Get real guys, this is reality. They DO care for us, but they have families to think of too.
My message, I found a girl 25 years younger that loves me, but conditionally. I need to take care of her and her family. It is the Asian way. I accept that. There is no such thing as unconditional love (except your mum). I am happy this way. The wild sex period of my life is over and I am glad to be free of that. There is affection and love and caring and family that matter so much more. So, good luck, find the right lady, and have some faith.
Everything you said plus, don’t think for a second that your marriage and relationships in the west don’t have a strong dependency on your financial stability. At least many Thai women are up front about the importance of money.
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I am 64 and moved here in 2017. Bangkok. I am financially comfortable with savings and a pension.
I am one of those that thinks your friend doesn't have enough money to retire here at his age.
It sounds like he has been here often enough so he knows Thailand however he knows Thailand as a tourist. Retirement is not like being on vacation. And being here as a tourist is not quite the same as living here full time. In the end though no one can answer this dilemma for him. Changing up your life is a bit of a gamble any way you look at it. It is a leap of faith. You won't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing until after you have done it.
If it is just a matter of loneliness then I would rather be lonely here than in my home country (USA). Also, note that with the current epidemic, Thailand, as everywhere isn't quite what it used to be even 6 months ago.
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Should I extend expired Non OA based on retirement?
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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I came on an O-A in 2017 and am now on my 2nd 1 year extension of stay. I would recommend that you apply for a 1 year extension of stay if possible. With the current border situation being what it is along with all the uncertainties for the future it makes sense (to me) to secure your ability to stay in the country now and in the next year. You need to make sure your can meet the financial and insurance requirements. You do not have to try to get the 2nd year of permission to stay that you could get if leaving/re-entering during the first year of the visa. The border situation makes that impractical. If your ultimate plan is to get a non-O without the insurance requirement then I would not purchase a multiple entry permit along with the 1 year permission to stay. If you do want to leave and re-enter on your O-A you can purchase a single re-entry permit each time you travel. If you want to "kill" the permission to stay stamp then you would leave without a re-entry permit. When you re-enter on a 30 visa exempt you can then go through the process of getting a non-O inside the country. Alternatively you could try to get a non-O outside the country before returning. As far at returning is concerned, there doesn't seem to be any preference toward O-A visa holders. You wouldn't have a visa anyway. You would have a 1 year extension of a previous O-A (now expired) visa. Even Elite Visa holders do not have a preference to return right now. No one knows what the future re-entry requirements will be in December. My guess is that it will still be difficult to return particularly from the US.