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33 minutes ago, HampiK said:
Mean you also work in Thailand with a work permit!
As for PR you need to prove of have paid tax in the last 3 years as well. And if yes, then you could go direct for Thai Citizenship, as you are married with a Thai. Not need to do the PR first.I'm a bit confused, is working/having a job mandatory? I do have an income but my wife's is higher and from my understanding just one of the married partners has to have an income above 30k THB, not both? We don't have children (yet) if that makes a difference. Maybe I am mistaking, haha.
I mostly work freelance but with some convincing I think I could get a full-time job for a company if that would be necessary. Thanks for bringing it up.
Is it recommend to get Thai nationality over getting permanent residency? Are there no disadvantages comparing one to another?
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5 minutes ago, DrJoy said:PR requires 3 years of UNBROKEN work permit & extension of stay.
You never open your PP and have a look at it?
Near the 'extension of stay' its written in clear English - 'To keep your stay Re-entry permit must be made before leaving Thailand'
Thanks. And yes, but like I said.. it just slipped my mind.. I was excited about the thought of seeing my family after over 2 years and my head was filled with other thoughts than Thai visas and entry permits.. but lesson learned nonetheless.
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12 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:
You need 3 unbroken extensions of stay.
I was thinking about applying in about 3 years so that sort of works out. Thank you.
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Thank you all for the helpful and detailed replies.
Glad to hear I won't need to leave and re-enter Thailand to apply for my new non O.
Won't make the mistake of forgetting my re-entry permit again, that's for sure.
Sort of related question:
In several years time I would like to apply for a permanent resident status, could this incident in any way negatively impact my application a few years from now?
Once again, many thanks to all of you for your friendliness and kind help.
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Hello everyone
My Thai wife and myself just returned from visiting family abroad and on arrival the immigration officer in very broken English notified me there was something wrong with my visa. He called a superior and she explained I missed the required entry permit, which I did forget to apply for because of not traveling so long during the coronavirus period, it just slipped my mind.
They told me they would give me entrance but I would have to figure it out with our local immigration office as soon as we were able to leave our 7 alternative quarantine.
We know the staff at our local immigration office quite well so we sent them scans of my passport to see what we could do to rectify the issue.
They told us that the immigration officer cancelled my non-immigrant type O (based on marriage with my Thai wife) and gave me a W.30 (30 days tourist visa). They told us that we probably have to do the whole type "o" visa process again, completely from the start. This would mean I'd have to fly back home, apply for a visa from my home country, and then come back to Thailand? This surely can not be the case just because I forgot to apply for a re-entry permit in advance? I moved here about 3 years ago, have my dear wife's family here and can't imagine this is possible what they are telling me?
Am I crazy for thinking this situation is crazy?
Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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5 minutes ago, steve187 said:
why not just go to savannakhet and obtain a multi entry non imm 'O' vusa, no financials required
I'm not 100% sure on this but I think with the ME visa you have to leave the country every 90 days? I'd prefer to just get a single entry and get my stay extended for a year every time. Since I'm flying back home anyway, I thought I might as well apply for the visa there.
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14 hours ago, userabcd said:
If you have a non-b and have been working and paying taxes in Thailand then your tax card shows your adddress or you could get a certificate of residence from the tax department. Do you have any water electric utility bills in your name which are mailed to your address?
The tax card/certificate from the tax department is a good idea, thanks. Water, electric and other utilities are in my wife's name.
11 hours ago, ubonjoe said:Are you sure they are not asking for a copy your wife's blue tambien ban and/or her ID card. I have never heard of a embassy or conulate asking for your yellow tambien ban.
I am sure a a one way onward ticket to a nearby country would be accepted instead of a return ticket.
They specifically asked for a copy with translation to English of my yellow tambien ban to prove that I reside in Thailand. I'd prefer to stay in Thailand and just use a one-way ticket, if possible.
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Hey everyone,
I currently live in Thailand and stay here with a Non-B visa. Next month, in December, I'm going back to Europe for the holidays and in January I'd like to return to Thailand with a Non-O visa, based on being married to a Thai.
I contacted the embassy in my homecountry and they said for a single entry Non-O visa they require a return ticket, if I have a one-way ticket I need to be able to show my yellow tabien baan housebook or "government proof of address".
Last month my wife and me got married but we didn't get around to apply for the Tabien Baan yet. Is there another document that I can use as proof? Would the 90 day address report paper be valid?
Is it just easier/faster to apply for the yellow Tabien Baan? We have about a month of time before we leave. I live with my wife but we don't have a rental/lease agreement because the house is owned by her aunt if that changes anything.
Sorry if this has been asked before, I tried searching but couldn't find a relevant enough result.
All tips or advice are very welcome! Thanks!
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17 hours ago, overherebc said:
Multi entry O you must leave and return every 90 days for a year.
Single entry O you must leave after 90 days and get a new visa.
You dont have a B visa. you have an extension of stay.
You can call it what you like but its not a visa if you are doing 90 day reports.
Understand that and accept it. It doesnt need 20 more explanations than you have already had.
16 hours ago, overherebc said:If you really want to learn fast then get a single entry O visa somewhere, come back to Thailand and after 90 days go and do a 90 day report.
Make sure you have 1900 baht with you and a flight out to somewhere booked in the following 7 days because you will be using that flight.
You've had all the advice you're getting from me.
16 hours ago, BritTim said:A Non O (and Non B) visa only allows for an initial 90-day stay. At the end of that time, you must either have your permission to stay extended, or leave the country. The Non O visa (unless extended) is to visit your wife, not live with her.
You have an extension of stay on the basis of working. You are not staying in Thailand on the original 90-day stay that you received from the Non B visa.
Ok, thanks for all the help.
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On 8/12/2019 at 6:31 PM, 4evermaat said:
@Cyclenshaven It will be a lot less painful if you apply for ME non-o now. Any of the 90 day entries you can apply for the 1 year extension. This gives you maximum flexibility. The only thing you "lose" is a few extra bucks on the visa fee (single vs multiple non-imm). Other than that, you are golden.
Especially in light of the recent issues at immigration (TM 30, extra money seasoning in bank, et al) that could possibly delay your application, the ME will give you more options until you get settled.
On 8/12/2019 at 9:30 PM, BritTim said:Bear in mind that a multiple entry Non O does not preclude you applying for the extension of stay. It simply provides you with another option when your permission to stay is expiring. The only downside of a multiple versus a single is the former is more expensive.
On 8/12/2019 at 10:21 PM, overherebc said:Hope you don't mind me adding for info for the OP.
Your multi O may be valid for a year but your permission to stay is only for 90 days each time you leave and re-enter as you must do.
Thanks all for the replies and sorry for the delayed reaction. Am I mistaking that I can just report my address every 90 days at the local immigration with the single entry non-o after I get my stay extended for a year based on marriage? Or do I really have to leave the country every 90 days with any type of non-o visa, even with a marriage visa? It just seems weird that you'd be forced to leave the country and your spouse every 90 days even though you're legally married to a Thai citizen?
How come I don't have to leave the country with my current non b visa? Are they just different in the benefits they have?
Sorry if I'm mixing up things or not understanding, as mentioned earlier English isn't my first language and I have to read the sentences a few times to try and fully comprehend them.
Thank you all so much for your patience and helpfulness.
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5 hours ago, overherebc said:
The multi O visa best suits someone who likes to/has to travel a lot. You have to leave every 89 days and on return you get stamped in for another 90 days.
Basically that could cost a bit, flights/travel out and perhaps a night or two in another country.
You can get a WP based on it but it won't be considered for PR application.
Unlike like an extension 'B' ( doing 90 day reports ) it doesn't get cancelled if your job finishes. Multi O based on being married and extension based on being married you keep when work finishes until it's valid until date.
Some consulates will only issue single entry the first time ( Penang is one I think )
Seems you can apply for PR if you are supporting a Thai family but obviously that would mean, I reckon, a substantial and ongoing income from somewhere??? or investment of 10,000,000 baht.
Only 100 applications from each nationality each year can apply.
I am open to correction on that.
Thanks a lot for the help, overherebc.
Then I guess I'll be going to the single entry, as mentioned a few posts ago I only travel a few times a year and I don't want to go border hop every 90 days in case I don't leave the country in that time frame. The man from the consulate said with the 1-year multiple entry O visa it's the same process that you only have to report your address every 90 days, but I guess he's mistaking then because I clearly asked if I had to leave the country every 90 days and he denied this.
So for my case the Single Entry O visa seems the best solution, then get my stay extended based on marriage and get a single or multi re-entry permit if I leave the country, right? When I return to Thailand with the SE O Visa, will that give any issues with my job/work permit?
On a side note, is there a difference between SE O visa or ME O visa to get considered for PR?
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
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On 8/10/2019 at 2:08 AM, elviajero said:On 8/10/2019 at 12:58 AM, BritTim said:
Note that the extensions of stay will not help with PR unless you are working with a work permit and paying taxes.
That is not the case for all “PR” applications.
On 8/10/2019 at 8:50 PM, overherebc said:True, but it's the first thing they ask for
Just out of interest, what are the alternatives?
Question related to the topic: I had contact with the head of the Thai Consulate back home, not the lady who I had the initial contact with, and he was very friendly and explained I can apply for the single entry O visa but he would recommend applying to the multiple entry O visa if I meet the requirements and have the documents. His reasoning being, if you're eligible, why not get the one you prefer?
I remember the first time I applied for a multiple entry B visa I got the single entry in stead because I didn't have a B visa before. Does this apply for the O visa too because I never had a O visa before? Or should I be fine to get the multiple entry O visa because I've had the non-imm B visa for almost 2 years now?
Should I apply for the multiple entry O visa instead? Would this be easier/harder to get extended than a single entry O visa and separately get a multiple re-entry permit?
What are your thoughts?
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4 hours ago, overherebc said:
Just a quick add on.
First is a visa. O-A.
Second is an extension of stay.
Totally different circumstances apply to each.
To be very honest, I never fully read the text on the stamps, I only checked the dates. Thanks for the extra info!
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1 minute ago, Mattd said:
You currently have an extension of stay that is valid for one year, it is NOT a B visa, it is an extension of stay based on work, that is extending the permission to stay of the original entry on the B visa, do not mix the two up, it is important.
If you want to change to an O visa, then you need to get a SE O visa overseas, then enter Thailand, you will get 90 days permission to stay, in the last 30 days of this permission to stay, go to an immigration office in the area you live and apply to extend your permission to stay for 12 months based on marriage, others have already explained the criteria required for this, i.e. money in the bank etc.
The PR application process and timing will be interrupted, there is nothing you can do about this, unless you continue to work as you are now and extend based on work for another two years, plus the time taken to process the PR application, which can be a long time.
Great explanation, thank you. It's alright, too bad it will interfere with the PR timeline but there's worse things than waiting a little longer.
I'm going out of Thailand for a few weeks by the end of this year and while there I'm going to apply for the SE O visa. When back in Thailand I will do as you just said.
Thanks again Mattd and everyone else for their help and useful input
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4 minutes ago, Mattd said:
You do not need to get a ME O visa, in fact they way you describe it above, then you do not want a ME O visa, with a ME O visa you would HAVE to leave the country every 90 days.
Get a SE O visa and extend this based on marriage, get a ME reentry permit for those few times a year out of the country.
I don't think I fully understand, you mean I should initially get a SE O visa and get a separate ME Re-Entry permit? This way I don't have to leave the country and only report my address every 90 days? If this is easier then a ME O visa, why doesn't everyone do this?
Is there no way to have a O visa that's valid for one year that I only need to report my address every 90 days?
9 minutes ago, Mattd said:No, currently you are reporting your address every 90 days, your extension of stay will have been valid for one year.
Note for PR application, then the rule is 3 consecutive extensions of stay, so 3 years, plus 3 years of Thai income tax payments, from a previous post, you said you could not extend based on 40k THB per month earnings within Thailand for the O visa extension of stay based on marriage?
Correct, I have a B visa that's valid for 1 year. I thought it would be the same for a 1 year O visa.
Currently I am making about 50k THB but next year (after I get my O visa), I am looking to do something else for a while which might result in lower or no income for a certain period.
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7 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:
What does that mean?
I am no longer a resident in my home country, have my Thai address registered at my countries' embassy in Thailand and have the certificate of residency from the local Thai government that I live in Thailand on my current address.
I meant I'm not a tourist visiting on a temporary address, maybe I worded it wrong by saying officially? Sorry for that, I don't know how to translate it better.
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1 minute ago, overherebc said:
Another difference between a visa and an extension of stay.
If you are considering applying for PR or whatever a multi entry O visa, ie having to leave and return every 90 days isn't accepted. It must be 3 consecutive extensions of stay
You mean I can't leave the country? Maybe I'm confused by your wording. My goal is to get a 1 year multi entry O visa, and then get my O visa extended yearly until I'm eligible to get a PR. I'm not planning on leaving the country and getting a new visa every 90 days. I live in Thailand officially and only go out of the country a few times a year.
Currently, I get my visa extended at the Immigration office every 90 days, unless I'm leaving the country for travel or business before the 90 days are up.
Thank everyone for the help and advice.
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2 minutes ago, elviajero said:
You don’t need to provide any financials for a 60 day extension only the 1 year. But it’s a one time extension after which you must leave or extend for 1 year.
When you apply for a 1 year extension you need 400K in you account 2 months before applying. They will take 30 days to process your application (formality) and you should keep the 400K in the account during that 30 days. Once the extension is issued you can withdraw all/any of the 400K, but need to top up again at least 2 months before the 2nd year application.
I guess the process is similar to my current NON-IMM B visa, which I have to extend every year too.
As I moved here with the intention of staying here permanently I would be applying for the 1 year extension. The money isn't that big of a deal, I use it in Thailand anyway and have some extra in a fixed deposit account as well, that counts too right? Or does it have to be a savings/checking account?
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4 minutes ago, overherebc said:
400,000 for 2 months prior to applying and other documentation, sometimes different requirements, depending on your local Imm' office.
The extension 1 year will require you to buy a re-entry permit if you leave and return to Thailand. Without a re-entry on return you will get 30 days and start again.
Re-entry single 1000baht
Re-entry multi 3800baht.
Check with your local Imm' what documention they want you to supply for the extension.
Great, thanks!
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1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:
The 800k baht is for a retirement extension of stay.
For an extension based upon marriage you need 400k baht in the bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.
Thanks for the super fast reply, is that only for a 60 day extension or can it also be used for the 1-year multiple entry extension?
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11 hours ago, BritTim said:
Some Thai embassies will not freely issue multiple entry Non O visas. Getting a single entry Non O and extending it in Thailand would be an option. If your job provides minimum 40,000 a month income, getting the extension of stay should not be difficult. It is also possible that there was a breakdown in communications, and they believed you would be requesting the visa before marriage. In that case, they were offering to be helpful in providing a visa to visit your fiance.
An alternative, once you are married, would be to get a multiple entry Non O at Savannakhet, Ho Chi Minh City or Hanoi.
10 hours ago, elviajero said:If you're living in Thailand all you need is a Single Entry Non 'O' visa which gives you 90 days on entry. Then towards the end of the 90 days you apply for the 1 year extension of stay based on marriage. You can also buy a Multiple Entry Re-entry permit which allows you to come and go during that year.
Multiple Entry 'O' visas are getting harder to get as the authorities want expats living in the country to have the correct extension of stay. The consulate in your home country might have their own rules regarding visa issuance.
Both thanks for the help and explanation. I will probably not have an income at that time as I'm looking for something else/maybe starting something with my wife, is there another way apart from the 40k Baht income to make the process easier? I saw some people here talking about needing 800k+ Baht on a bank account or is that not applicable to my situation?
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Hey everyone,
I know this has been asked and answered before but not exactly for my case, so sorry if the question seems repetitive.
I'm currently working in Thailand with a work permit and a NON-IMM B visa. Next month, in September, my wife-to-be and myself are getting married. We looked up the differences and for us it would make more sense and be easier if I had a NON-IMM O visa in stead.
I'm planning on visiting family back home in December so I contacted the consulate in my home country and explained the above to them and asked what I could prepare to get a 1-year NON-IMM O with multiple entry. The lady explained they can not give out the 1-year multiple entry visa because it's the first time I'm getting that type of visa and additionally she said "also you're not married yet" (I don't understand what she meant by that). They can only give a single entry NON-IMM O. She says when I arrive with the NON-IMM O I have to go to Immigration in Thailand to get it extended/renewed to a 1-year multiple entry.
Is this right? I've been living in Thailand for the past 2 years with extensions on my NON-IMM B. I remember when I first came to Thailand I had a single entry NON-IMM B visa too but doesn't it make a difference that I already have a 1-year multiple entry visa, my (by then) wife obviously lives in Thailand and that my home address is officially located in Thailand?
Thanks for all the help/advice/thoughts in advance!
Sorry if it's difficult to read or for any grammar mistakes, English is not my 1st language.
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Thank you very much for the tip and advice, I will also take a look at the link you sent.
I greatly appreciate all the help I've been getting!