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  1. 8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

    The 15 days part was rescinded when the 2  entries at land borders order went into effect on January 1st 2017. Before that those from the G7 countries got 30 days for a little over 3 years.

    any link to the order that did do the rescinding ? My guess is that they rescinded the whole 778 and not just a part of it. 


  2. 5 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

    Actually that is not totally correct and has outdated info.

    The 90 days in 6 months rule was rescinded in 2008. See: visa exemp tPO 778-2551_en.pdf

    That same order started 15 day visa exempt entries at a land border crossing that was rescinded when the order limiting them to 2 per calendar year.

    By air there is no written limit on the number of entries or number of days spent when entering the country.

    something must have been changed afterwards 2008, since that land border crossings allow 30 day's now... so the TPO 778 can not be valid anymore...


  3. 8 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

    It's been expressed, and is my understanding, 3 VISA exempt entries per 6 months for a total of 6 per year. Any immigration officer is going to begin to scrutinize your entries when you approach these two thresholds correct?

    i did find similar after research
    "Most foreigners that come to Thailand arrive and are stamped with what they believe is a “30 day visa.” In reality, this is a 30 day exemption stamp that allows the traveler to remain in Thailand for 30 days without a visa. Under current Thai Immigration Law, anyone entitled to a visa exemption stamp may only remain in the Kingdom for 90 out of every 180 days. In the past, this rule did not exist and allowed for unlimited exemption stamps and led to many foreigners remaining in Thailand using the “infinite border run” method. Unfortunately for some, this legal loophole has been closed and anyone in the Kingdom of Thailand for more than 90 out of every 180 days will be barred from re-entering without a proper visa."
    source: 
    http://www.integrity-legal.com/thai-visa/visa-general-info.html

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  4. 5 hours ago, Spodal said:

    The longest option I've proposed is 7 months annually (1 SETV, 2 land bounces, & extensions).  If that pushes the boundaries too much when done on an annual basis, that's ok.  No objections.

    As some statements made above, The only pain free solution is still the 20 year TE visa.... 
    Today's situation with all changes, enforcements, requirements and additional rules coming up + the constant worry if coming in Thailand over a prolonged period of time on a Tourist visa....( even genuine tourist , long stayers, are getting scrutinised or rejected and even put in detention... )

    I did put my bet on a 20 year visa and i don't feel any regrets, seem all changes taken place the last year...


  5. 4 hours ago, lupin said:

    you do understand you cannot work in any way shape or form in Thailand on the Elite Visa right? It falls under the classification of a tourist visa and specifically states this on application/terms and conditions and on their website faq. You can apply for a NON -B and a work permit... and your PE MEMBERSHIP will remain valid, but you cannot use the visa or renew the extension until the NON-B (and work permit) is canceled.

    Not entirely true... 
    You can not get a work permit, thats all, but some professions don't need a work permit at all, or even some people don't need a work permit... ( American Treaty for example in some cases , specialists, researchers, experts... )


  6. On 9/20/2019 at 12:15 AM, CMBob said:

    The sign there seemed to say the same thing....

    We previous had a art 37, an art 38 and now an art 36 to worry about ?

    Section 36 : Where there is a proper reason , the Director General or the Immigration Commission shall have power to revoke permission previously authorized the alien to stay temporary in the Kingdom , whether or not the Director General , or the official deputized by the Director General , has granted such permission. 
    In the case the Director General has ordered permission to be revoked , the alien whose permission has been revoked may appeal such orders to the Immigration Commission. Order of the Immigration Commission will be final. 
    The appeal of the Director General's order under paragraph 2 of this Section shall be submitted to the competent official within forty – eight hours from the time of acknowledgement of such order from the Director General and must be complied with from and fees as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations. 
    After cancellation of the temporary entry permit in reference to the provision of paragraph 1 of this Section , the alien must be notified by a written notice. In the case a written notice cannot be sent to the alien , yet the competent official has post a notice to the alien's place of stay , as previously notified , and forty – eight hours , have passed , it is assumed that the alien has received said notice. 


  7. 1 hour ago, doggie1955 said:

    Now I know she is just full of herselves. But that is not the word I am looking for,

    You were looking for the word "passionated"

    Try to understand that some passionated persons in Thailand wants to make progress in the positive way and not only wants to "give" opportunity without reciprocity...

    By experience, most of these "seminars" shed light on a product what an "opportunist" wants to sell... ( including misleading wordings and false facts )
    Most "sell" an idea, but keep the large part of the profit and in all cases, those "speakers" are looking for investors or opportunity to enrich themselves.

     

    Try to emphasize the teaching of the late King Nr 9: share your knowhow for the benefit of all, not for the profit of a few... 


  8. On 9/12/2019 at 1:58 PM, fletchsmile said:

    Appendix (as in all good Thai bureaucracy)

     

    Poster to show to a police station to explain <what TF> you're doing there under Section 37 of the Immigration Act 1979

     

    There are other posters at the link below in English, and other languages

     

    https://www.immigration.go.th/content/m37?click=1

     

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    they have changed your poster:

    https://www.immigration.go.th/content/m37?click=1

     

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    and still somewhat confusing


  9. 1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

    Nothing new.

    It is only for section 37 of the immigration act for address reporting.

    Only these 2 clauses are waived. 

    "3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty
    – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not
    located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the
    police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.
    4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such
    alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time
    of arrival."

    It mentioned in this line for section 37. "The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."

     

    yup, indeed only 3 and 4 waved for a certain type of persons, but nr 2... is not waived...

    "2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place. "

     

    Somehow things keep contradicting it selves... so , i don't have to notify that i am arriving at any place, but still notifying that i am leaving ?
    Isn't it the same? changing adres ?

     

    To be complete:
    "

    Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the following : 
    1. Shall not engage in the occupation or temporary or employment unless authorized by the Director General. or competent official deputized by the Director General . If , in any case , there is a law concerning alien employment provided hereafter , the granting of work privileges must comply with the law concerned. 
    2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place. 
    3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. 
    4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival. 
    5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office. 
    The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General. 
    In making notification under this Section , the alien may make notification in person or send a letter of notification to the competent official , in accordance with the regulations prescribed by the Director General ."


  10. On 8/31/2019 at 1:01 PM, losername said:

    According to the full article the TM28 only has to be done on returning to your home location and the TM30 is done by the person (hotel in my case) where you stay while away.

    Read carefull and keep in mind, the moment that the landlord files for a TM30, your adres is changed and therefore you need to report a change of adres. Again, if you get back at home... merry around...


  11. 18 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

    Thanks for your replies. Actually I was talking about emigration i.e. leaving, but I guess that's what you mean by Immigration, that is covered by the Immigration department. 

    Absolutely, but the documents would not have to be given to tourists, on the grounds that they would - at least in theory - be staying in places, hotels etc - where they would not be concerned with TM30s which would be the responsibly of the place that they stayed.

    The TM28 does concern the tourist the moment he or she changes his adres...
    Further, the TM30 reporter , who does report the foreigner arriving, also has to notify the foreigner leaving.... So Imigration does know that you are not at such or such adres...
    Normally nothing to worry about TM28, but now the head of Phuket immigration stated that they will enforce that to...

    Imagine , i travel a lot, arriving at a hotel late at night and leaving before even breakfast... things will be getting crazy...


  12. 4 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

    On the more general topic, how is anybody supposed to find out about TM30?

     They don't advise you about it when you get your visa

     They don't advise you about it when you arrive at Immigration

    If you are the sort of person who keeps to yourself and lives a simple life here in the country, without much contact with other Falangs, how would you know.

    Imagine the positive effect on the tourisme numbers... welcome in the land of ....TM's ?
    TM6, TM28, TM30, TM47

     

    Book a tour, day by day excursion, hotel-immigration office every day another city, leave the immigration office, just time enough to travel to your next city/hotel... next morning the local immigration office awaits you... another TM28 for you and a TM30 for the landlord...

     

    Don't worry, feel safe and welcome...

    The best what TAT can offer.... 

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  13. This is standard as they need to have all your data, and of your parents , in certified Thai language. 
    It will get in the national computer system, so to avoid errors paperwork is required....
    Birth certificates are the most complete forms to extract the data they require/need

     

    Been there, done that

     

    Edit: certified means in this case a certified translator and then a stamp for verification at the Mof

    If you have your birth certificate, then 1:get it certified as genuine at your embassy ( if needed) 2:get it translated, 3: get it stamped at the Mof

    Some embassy's do provide original copy's , if you are residential in their system. Some country's do only provide in the home birth place...

     


  14. 57 minutes ago, mikey88 said:

    That’s interesting and enticing. I’m interested too.

    Can I clarify something with you ...one point...if I  pay the Million Baht...is it guaranteed that I get a 20 years visa stamp in my passport?

    Or does it still have to be renewed every year.

    And what about the 90 day reporting...?

    Appreciate any advice. I’m sick of the visa run around too.

    Please read the website from Thailand Elite first...

    You get a 5 year visa sticker , 4 times during 20 years, and at each entry in the country an entry stamp valid for 1 year.

    Still have to do the 90 day reporting, TE might do this on your behalf if you are in their location. ( info about their service on the website)

    Thailand Elite is 100% state owned. What more you need to be guaranteed ?

     

    PS; i have the 20 year TE visa and i am happy with their recommendable services.


  15. 3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

    You do not enter an address on page one of the application so how would it be rejected for it not matching.

    Some may reject or deny the application after they receive it but there is still not link between the 2 systems.

    It has been that way from day one of 90 day online reporting. If the TM6 number entered does not match the one used for your last entry you will get the message.

    1: You can be "rejected" on any of the following pages if you can not give matching information. ( or at least impossible to proceed further )

    2: The Immigration officer at the border yesterday also verified the adres in their system as my adress was different on my TM6 now then on my last TM30 hicked up in their system, as i am switching more times the adres then they actual do process ?
    But since i have reoccurring adresses all the time it might confuse them...

    3: There is a link between the 2 systems, might be still with its flaws but its also connected with your biometrics now, they do have an active biometric scanner at Ban Phu Nam Ron and the system is linked... 
     


  16. 21 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

    The info in the database the system checks  is only from your most recent entry to the country.

    That is why having a entry prior to 2013 or a new passport since your last entry causes you to get the message to check with your local office.

    Sorry UbonJoe, but that is a negative... The database is getting updated now constantly according the submitted TM30, ( first hand experience between NongKhai and Nakhon Pathom as latest here )
    My latest 90 day report was Nakhon Pathom, then went to NongKhai, submitted a TM30, and then next 90 days i could not submit the 90 day report online for Nakhon Pathom, only could enter NongKhai as province...

    this leads to: Your adress is where as your TM30 is submitted and that is where you have to apply for a 90 day rapport...

     

    Same goes for the TM6 number... even if you lost your TM6 and received a new one at Immigration office ( in my case during 90 day report at NongKhai,) you still have to use the old TM6 form number to do your 90 day reporting... not the new number. The new number did lead to the message "report at local office" then i used the old number and the 90 day application passed...

     


  17. On 8/19/2019 at 3:55 PM, Jadam said:

    The site opens for me but I've never successfully used it; I've tried filling out the form a few times and I always get the "Go to visit your local immigration office" error message.

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    It means that your adres/province from previous TM30 might be different from the adres they have in their system, or even the TM6 card number incorrect... any case, some mismatching numbers or dates.
    Also check your due date vs your application date, you only have a window between 14 and 7 days before your due date...

     


  18. On 8/20/2019 at 11:06 AM, ubonjoe said:

    It works for me. Perhaps reload the page and try again.

    Or you can use this link the takes you to the next page. https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do?cmd=acceptTerm

    I have had the same issue as the OP, succesfull submitted the request, have the pending pdf, but since then nothing changed. Then went for a border hop to "reset" and to be on the "safe" side. After the borderhop, my status on the 90 day was still "pending" could not cancel the application so far.
    Looks as their computer has a "glitch" for processing all the TM30's in coordination with TM6 and TM47... 

     

    Edit: just checked for making sure: still pending, can not cancel either...

     

    On the fun side: I think its a little my fault in my case, doing TM30 with postal services and having hotel submitting online already before they received my post and processed that old one... Doing this since 5 weeks now, average 4 TM30 per week...

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