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So here's an update on how this worked out in the end.
Our first attempt to apply for a one year extension, based on Thai Marriage, with income from a Thai salary (as opposed to a seasoned lump sum in the bank) failed pretty spectacularly.
Here's why...
1. I forgot to bring with me the cash receipts from the revenue office (for all documents, PND 91, PND 1). The certified documents alone were not enough. They wanted to see the cashier's receipts as well for each set of documents. Lesson here - keep all your receipts, for everything, and staple them to the front of your official documents.
2. The period of PND 1 (income tax deductions), were not contiguous for the three months prior to the date we were present and applying for the extension (the day we were sitting there). Our company hadn't yet filed PND 1 for the previous month but this made no difference to the IO. Lesson here - you need to time your visit, and your application, with the period just after your last PND 1 filings (and when they show up in revenue's system - which is 2-3 days for an e-filing) and obviously before your current extension expires. It's not difficult, but just another thing you need to plan for.
3. Our photos weren't accepted. I needed two sets. Set a) The normal family photo set with exactly two pictures in front of our place of residence, and exactly two pictures inside. The two pictures outside must clearly show your registered address (lek tee baan) in at least one of them, and the name or street address in the other (if possible). We later took one in front of our condo door (which shows the official house number), and another in front of the sign for our condo on the street. The two photos inside are less strict, but must show you and your spouse (and children) inside your registered address. You absolutely must be sure that the house address is clearly visible in one of the outside photos. I printed two versions of this - one zoomed in to the house address for clarity. The IO was specifically looking for this and circled the address while reviewing the documents. For the work photos, and again - for our second attempt I included a picture of me at my desk with one of our staff sitting in the desk next to me, along with a photo in front of the door to the office also with the registered address clearly visible. And another of me in front of the building with the name of the building.
4. Our company registration document was an official copy from a bank - I forget which (our accounting office prepared it), but it was rejected. You need an official company registration and shareholder list from a DBD office. There is a DBD office downstairs at Chaengwattana, and so we went there before returning home and requested official copies (again, both company registration, and shareholders - and kept the receipt!).
5. My letter of employment didn't include my salary.
It wasn't a fun day. I was given a 60 day extension so that I wouldn't be forced to leave the country, or overstay.
Our 2nd attempt went fine. I went back to revenue to request official copies of PND 91 (2562 - since this was now in the system) , and PND 1 (three months previous) and stapled the cashier's receipts for both of these on the front of each set. I also went prepared with PND 50 (annual company accounts), and PP 30 (VAT for three months) but these are not required for an extension based on Thai spouse, and Thai salary (I had them ready 'just in case'). We fixed our photos, and letter of employment and it all went fine. You need all the other documents - marriage certificate with recent registration, copies of your passport, spouse's ID card, house registration (tabien baan), and in our case the birth certificate of our daughter. I also always take at least my last two expired passports with me - just in case.
One thing I found curious was that when we were done, they then gave me a one month extension to the 10th of July in order to return and collect my 'result'. I asked them what that meant, and what would happen if my application was rejected. The IO said it won't be rejected, but that I had to return to collect it on the 10th. My spouse is not required to go for collection.
Things move pretty fast once you're actually sitting in front of the IO - so take the time to staple, or paperclip, and arrange all of your documents so that you can easily hand everything over. They're professional, albeit frosty, and are simply following the rules.
Social distancing at CW isn't great so we feel lucky that our timing was in the two 'low' pandemic periods in Thailand. They're trying to arrange things so that you sit in large rows of chairs in the main hall outside, before going into the IM offices, but once opened, they just let everyone in which we found puzzling, as within a couple of hours of opening IM was as full and as busy as ever.
Hope this helps.
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Step one complete. I visited the district revenue office today (sambakorn), and they're preparing official copies of PND 1 (three months), PND 91 (2018), and PND 50 (2018). The yellow receipts and forms I had with me were not acceptable. You need to get the revenue office to prepare official copies. I went there with a fresh copy of our company registration document (nang sue rablong), and our company stamp as I needed to sign several documents for the request (I had to give them a signed and stamped copy of our company registration document). I also needed to supply copies of my passport and workpermit. They were very helpful, and made copies of my passport and workpermit on the spot for a small fee.
I then went to the social security offices, although it turns out this wasn't necessary as the receipts my accounting office had prepared were fine (although the other director of the company had to sign attached statements and place company stamps on these as well).
Photos, map and all other documents are ready. Just waiting for the revenue office to call and tell me all of the PND official copies are ready to collect, and then I'll be headed to CW. Will post another update after that.
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Thanks @JackThompson - I have all of the other documents ready, including the company formation documents. It's just the PND documents - PND 1, PND 91, PND 50 - for which I have all of the original receipts and copies. But it seems as if they clearly need to be certified by the relevant offices before I go, so I'll try doing that first then.
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10 minutes ago, chakeeoyen said:
- Letter of employment needs a company stamp in blue ink. (I wish I was kidding)
- I can't remember which one but the Por Ngor Dor documents must be retrieved from a physical location. Despite the government offering an online service for accounts, the ones they send via mail are not the same.
Thanks @chakeeoyen - we have a company stamp (with blue ink), and so my letter of employment should be okay - but yes, it's the Por Ngor Dor documents I'm concerned about - PND1, PND 91, PND 50 etc.
I'm going to try going tomorrow, to see what they'll accept. And then if necessary my wife and I will go again on Friday if we decided going the Non-O Thai Spouse route (with Thai income) is more likely to succeed (assuming a 24 hour curfew hasn't been imposed by then).
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Still not 100% sure what this means...
"Documents required for permission of temporary stay no. 8- 11 must be certified true copy by authorized officer of government unit concerned"
8. Copy of 3 latest monthly withholding tax return (Por.Pro.1) showing the name of employees and the alien applicant, together with receipt.
9. Copy of latest personal income tax return of the applicant (Por.Pro.91), together with receipt (or an explanatory letter)
10. Copy of 3 latest monthly social security contributions return filed with the Social Security Office (Form Sor.Por.Sor. 1-10)
11. Copy of 3 latest monthly value add tax return (Por.Pro.30 or Por.Por.36) together with receipt.I have all the original receipts, and copies for all of the above. Do I now have to take them to each of the separate offices above to have them certified? I'm not exactly thrilled to have to visit at least three separate offices before going to CW.
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@ubonjoe okay thanks again.
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Does anyone know if a one year extension based on marriage to a Thai, with income and regular tax payments via employment here (Thai workpermit), counts towards the three consecutive years required before applying for PR?
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Hi All,
I'm currently here on a one-year multiple entry Non-O Thai Spouse visa. I also have a workpermit and I am the director of a small limited company. My current 90 day stamp will expire on the 25th of April. I've previously traveled enough nearly always be out of the country before my 90 days is up. I'd like to change to one-year extensions now, so that I can eventually accumulate the three years I need to apply for PR.
And so I was initially considering applying for a one-year extension for reasons of business, as per here...
https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_1
I have nearly all of the documents required prepared by my accounting office. But I'm unsure of what this means...
"Documents required for permission of temporary stay no. 8- 11 must be certified true copy by authorized officer of government unit concerned"
Does this mean I need to take ...
8. Copy of 3 latest monthly withholding tax return (Por.Pro.1) showing the name of employees and the alien applicant, together with receipt.
9. Copy of latest personal income tax return of the applicant (Por.Pro.91), together with receipt (or an explanatory letter)
10. Copy of 3 latest monthly social security contributions return filed with the Social Security Office (Form Sor.Por.Sor. 1-10)
11. Copy of 3 latest monthly value add tax return (Por.Pro.30 or Por.Por.36) together with receipt... to the revenue office, and social security offices, and have the copies (and receipts) I have here certified first?
I've read that I may also apply for a 60 day extension?
I've read that I may also apply for a one year extension based on my marriage to a Thai - if so - can I use my company salary as evidence of income?
Any advise or suggestion in these complicated times greatly appreciated - ideally with the minimum number of offices or people to have to contact.
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@maisodni - thanks very much for the detailed reply Steve. Much appreciated and very helpful to know.
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Dear All,
I'm the director and shareholder of of a small Thai Limited Company. We have a current registered capital value of 1 million THB, but are going to raise this to 2 million THB. The initial 1 million THB was paid into our company account (over the first year of trading - after the first payment of 25% of initial registered capital value).
However, I'm looking for advice on how to ensure that we correctly record the payment of share capital (for any future audit, or other requirements). I've ready this notice here from Mazars - https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Legal/Payment-of-Share-Capital - which suggests that we need to carefully note the "issue a resolution to call the additional payment of share capital to support the company’s operations" and that shareholders need to be given this within a specific notice period.
We're slowly growing, and expect to continue to grow over the next year or two, and just want to be sure that when we pay share capital into the company, that we do this in the correct way.
If I recall correctly (although I may be wrong), we cannot actually issue 'printed' share certificates to any shareholder until all share capital is paid up. Is this correct?
And lastly, I'm generally aware that directors of the company may be liable for the total unpaid shared capital, in the even the company incurs any financial liability that it is unable to pay - correct?
Any advice or suggestions related to share capital would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi All,
In the end we called the labor office and asked them for advice. Their recommendation was that we visit their office and cancel my work permit, and then reapply when I return with my 1-year Non-O in a few weeks. I explained that I'd mixed up my travel dates by one day, and just missed the last valid date in my Non-O visa, and so didn't get the usual 90 days on return from a recent trip.
Officially, when this happens, you have 15 days to cancel your work permit. In my case it was 18 days, but there was no problem. They were helpful and efficient at the labor office.
When I come back from North America with my new one-year multiple entry Non-O (Thai Spouse), I'll apply for a new work permit. There's only slightly more work / documentation required (and it's all a lot quicker than a few years ago). My current (now cancelled and returned) work permit expired in December, so all in all - not a big deal.
Hope this helps if anyone else finds themselves in a similar situation.
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3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:
1. That is the best option.
2. Best to do number one.
Where will you be applying for your non-o visa? Things might of changed since you got your last one.
Okay thanks for the recommendation.
I'll be applying for my non-o in North America. I'll call ahead before we leave to be sure that the docs and requirements are still the same, or whether they've changed.
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Hi All,
Wondering if anyone can offer some advice.
I'm the director of a Thai limited company - and have, until now - been on a Non-O one-year multiple entry Thai Spouse visa. I typically travel frequently, and so leaving before each 90 day deadline has not been a problem.
I have a valid one year work permit which will expire next January.
Due to a mix up in my schedule, and a delayed trip home to apply for another one-year Non-O Thai spouse visa, my current visa expired, and upon returning to Thailand from Singapore late in September I was given a 30-day tourist stamp.
In two weeks I will leave Thailand again for a longer trip home, where I will apply for my 'usual' one-year multiple-entry Non-O Thai spouse visa.
However, I realize that the moment - I have a problem, since my current 30 day stamp is not compatible with my work permit (as an understatement).
Any suggestions as to what to do?
I was thinking:
1) Just leave it for now, come back with my regular one-year multiple-entry Non-O Thai spouse visa - and then see what happens next January when I renew my work permit. Unfortunately I've also just renewed my passport, and so the stamps that will show that I was here on a 30-day tourist stamp in September will be present in my passport when I go to renew my work permit next January.
2) Go to the ministry of labor office right away, apologize for the mix up making it clear it was never my intention to be in Thailand on a 30-day visitors stamp, and ask them what I should do.
Thoughts?
Visa Extension Options - One Year for Busines, or 60 Days, or One Year for Marriage
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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Hi @AndyPa - I was on a 1-year multiple entry Non-O - but my 90 day limit was approaching - it was going to end about 10 days after my April visit. If they had not given me the 60 day extension, I'm not sure what would have happened. Leaving would have meant not being able to return to my wife and daughter. And I wasn't sure if the amnesty period applied in my case. The IO asked why I'd left it so close to the end of the 90 day period, and I said it was because normally (before COVID-19) I travel.