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5 hours ago, superal said:
So my point is , how can you be confident of buying an authentic product ? Google search gives some methods of home testing but by then you have already made the purchase
I don't think you can ever be completely sure. The problem with fake honey is that the manufacturing process is now so sophisticated that it can't be detected by ordinary methods. If you care enough you may be able to find honey that's been imported from a country that isn't badly affected. France would be a good choice, according to a 2018 study you can find on the Honey Authenticity Project website. Big C obviously has a tie-up with Casino, but then the supermarket brands are the worst affected.
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3 hours ago, Sheryl said:
"Walk ins" are not all symptomatic, in fact most are not. They are often simply people who go of their own accord to a hospital requesting COVID test. When the MoPH makes an announcement urging people whp have been to place X to come forward for testing, they respond by going to a hospital.
Did not know that. Explains a lot. I'm obviously not the only one who had understood "walk-in" to mean someone sick enough to go to hospital.
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3 hours ago, BananaBandit said:
Anytime I try to convert a PDF to a Kindle-friendly MOBI file, the result is gibberish text.
I think you'll struggle if the pdf relies on a cmap file. If you open it in Acrobat and go to properties / fonts, there will be a line for each font that tells you the encoding. If it says "Identity-H" I don't think a conversion app will be able to pull the text out of it.
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My guess is it means to tell / let on, as in to reveal a secret. One meaning of ป่าว is to make someone aware of something or make it public knowledge, and one meaning of เป่า is to play a wind instrument, so the slang aspect could just be the respelling, or the idea could be along the same lines as when the old folks talk about "trumpeting" some piece of news (probably both). I'm not sure that fits your context 100% but it makes sense to me. Anyway please post when you get the official answer.
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1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:I've noticed there are no reports of any of the reported walk ins having infected anybody
1 hour ago, Sheryl said:They are testing all contacts of identified cases.
Until recently I'd assumed they did that, but I can't square it with the fact that all the recent Bangkok cases are walk-ins. It's just not possible that none of the walk-in cases infected anyone else, and yet - unless I've missed something - no trace and test cases have been reported.
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When it comes to drawing the line between ลัง, หีบ and กล่อง, I'm bound to be influenced by English. Some things that make me more likely to use the term 'crate' in English are
- the container is used for shipping purposes rather than just storage (so it will be fairly sturdy)
- it has an open top and/or sides, or if they're closed, the frame is on the outside
- it contains individual items that you'd naturally count, rather than things like sand or aggregate that you'd naturally weigh
- it has separate compartments for those items
- it is reusable (so again it will be fairly sturdy)
The thai-language entry would suggest that the first and possibly the second of these features are also relevant in Thai. The crate in 4 Kings has all of them, so it is hard to know which makes it a ลัง. There may of course be other factors that are relevant to the Thai but not the English. I think basically have to be a native speaker to get this sort of thing right every time.
21 hours ago, tgeezer said:So would you say that ต้นทุน is the original outlay of the retailer, cost price?
Yes, that's how I understand it.
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5 hours ago, OJAS said:
Does the DK Drinking Water note actually state precisely how many litres of water you are now getting in total for 70 THB?
No. There's an implication that nothing else is changing but that's all.
On 1/12/2021 at 12:13 PM, tgeezer said:What does the container look like, would you call it a crate or is ลัง what they call containers for bottles?
In the film 4 Kings, they use the word ลัง for what we would call a crate. I'm not sure if that's what you're driving at. On your other question, I think the words in brackets are there to explain why the price is going up.
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1 hour ago, tgeezer said:
A ดร. ฮันส์ ? was said to have found inscriptions (จานึก) in the area dated from the 21 st century with the ไม้โท
Yes, I think he is / was based in Chiang Mai. He is referred to by a guy called Marek Buchmann who has done a lot of more recent research on inscriptions / scripts. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available without shelling out something like £400 for Buchmann's three volume book. The way I understand it, numerous local scripts evolved throughout Thailand based on contact with Mon people using the Mon script. The one used in the north was called Fak Kham. At the same time, different scripts were used for religious purposes. In central Thailand they used the Khmer script for this, but in the north they used Tai Tham (Tham as in Dhamma / Dharma). At some point Fak Kham (which looked quite like Lao script) fell into disuse and from then until about the 1940s Tai Tham was used for everyday purposes in the north.
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If Wikipedia is to be believed, ไม้โท also appears in the Lanna language (Tai Tham) version. I can't really see that having been altered but you never know. I'm not sure what ไม้โท does to an l sound in Lanna / Tai Tham but it's a safe bet it doesn't indicate a mid tone. The phonetics on Wikipedia seem to be showing a high tone. I think the original meaning is "million" and seem to remember reading that what is now Laos was once called the kingdom of a million elephants.
I would be interested in learning to read the Tai Tham script - don't know whether anyone wants to share observations / practice on here. Based on the way อาณาจักรล้านนา is written it is more complex than Thai script, with final consonants written underneath the vowel and apparently some ligatures. Pretty too.
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17 minutes ago, connda said:
Same same for blokes who used to depend on Thai Mult-entry Non-O visas. That doesn't work when you can't leave and reenter the country every 90 days.
That's kinda why threads like this are of interest to some of us. Not that I ever depended on multi-entry non-Os or did visa runs, but I would come in once or twice a year and move on to another country when my tourist visa was up. That's not really possible right now. I will have to leave in March and I don't fancy going back to Europe much. If India is open, it could well be an option. I would think it would be pretty hot at that time of year though, then there's the covid / vaccination situation to think about.
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3 minutes ago, 10baht said:"19 were imported from people entering quarantine."
Where are they coming from and are they Thais who are not doing the 72 hour test and infecting other on their flight?
5 Myanmar nationals who snuck over the border, plus 4 people from Germany, 3 each from Turkey and the United Arab Emirates, 2 from the United States and 1 each from Uganda and the UK.
The people in ASQ are more likely to have caught it in the 5-6 days before the flight or from someone else on the flight who did, especially someone who thought they didn't need to bother masking up because they'd been tested.
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On 1/5/2021 at 3:56 PM, Kalorymetr said:
What's the deal?
There are two issues really. One is how you figure out whether there are unwritten vowels in the words you're reading (and if so, what those vowels are) and the other is how the writing system came to be that way in the first place. The other answers address the first issue.
As to the second issue, there are basically two reasons for the unwritten vowels, which are both to do with borrowing from other languages and traditions.
Much of the vocabulary of Thai is borrowed, and a lot of it comes from languages that allowed a wider variety of consonant clusters - Khmer in particular has a lot of clusters. When a language borrows a word with a cluster it doesn't have, it tends to insert an extra vowel to make the cluster pronounceable. This phenomenon (called epenthesis) is not specific to Thai - think of the Japanese pronunciation of "strawberry ice-cream" or the English pronunciation of "Khmer". In Thai, this only happened with initial clusters. For final clusters, the approach was to pronounce the first consonant and ignore the rest.
From memory, ถนน is a Khmer word and the ถน is a cluster in Khmer. The reason why there is no written vowel between ถน is that there was originally no vowel there at all.
The second reason for unwritten vowels is that the Thai writing system was borrowed from one designed for Indic languages. In those languages the vowel /a/ was not written. As I understand it this rule applied across the board, so it was easy to apply - if there was no written vowel and the consonants did not form a cluster, that always meant there was an /a/, and there was no need to guess.
At some point after the script had been adapted, the Thais seem to have decided that they would use a similar rule but with the vowel /o/ in native syllables that had final consonants* - but:
1. Words that had been borrowed from Indic languages (so Pali and Sanskrit, essentially) still used the Indic rule.
2. Words that had been borrowed from Indic languages gradually became assimilated to the Thai sound system, resulting in unpredictable combinations of the Indic and Thai rules.
3. Over time, the pronunciation of the unwritten vowel changed to /ɔ/ or /ɔ:/ in some cases, in a way that is largely but not completely predictable.
4. The epenthetic vowels (i.e. the ones that were inserted to break up clusters that were difficult for Thai speakers to pronounce) did not change.
That's basically how today's mishmash came about.
* It could be that the pronunciation was originally /a/ but that at some point several centuries ago it changed to /o/ when there was a final consonant, but not otherwise. Sound change happens in all languages and is a main cause of spelling irregularities - English spelling is famously irregular but the irregularities are very largely due to sound changes that have occurred since the spellings became established.
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2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:
The question is whether it is one days worth or many days.
Yeah that's another question, for sure. I think several days' worth of testing, just because there hasn't been any update on the SS numbers for a while. They could make that clearer, but even if it's 5 days of testing, that doesn't mean it represents 5 days of infections, and that's what you'd really want to know.
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8 hours ago, jackdd said:
Got infected on 28th or 29th and test positive on 1st? Is this a realistic incubation time?
It does suggest that they wouldn't have been infectious in the airport / on the plane, which is definitely a plus. They were probably isolated within 48 hours of becoming infectious so I guess it just depends what contacts they had in that time. What bothers me is that if they went to other "entertainment venues" once they got back to Chiang Mai, they're probably not going to disclose those contacts, and that breaks the system.
It would have been a lot worse with a full on NYE...
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22 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:Sounds to me like they are separating out the Non-Thai, Non Quarantine cases instead of combining them in one total Statistic. Is this to save face or what is the reason they are not combining all of the tests from all of the provinces. A clear picture is needed. So one can see what is happening and to make an informed decision as to sequester ones self or just continue with daily life, albeit there are certain closures.
If you have a group that is effectively isolated it makes sense to separate out their numbers because they're not a transmission risk to anyone else. Whether migrant workers in Samut Sakhon really are effectively isolated I don't know, but I think that's the logic.
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33 minutes ago, stubuzz said:
Why was the virus not found on the pre-flight PCR test?
A test taken 4 days before the flight will only pick up an infection contracted 8 days or more before the flight. If you think that an infection contracted say 14 days before the flight is likely to have passed by the time of the flight anyway, the PCR testing doesn't cut the risk nearly as much as people think. It's definitely not a guarantee that the person next to you is not infected. On my flight none of the falangs bothered with masks, so were probably more of a risk to others than the Thais.
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On 12/31/2020 at 2:58 PM, Letseng said:
It is not just available ex warehouse by millions of doses. Countries need to wait their turn.
No country has been able to get unlimited supplies. Unless you are resident/citizen you just wait until your turn comes. Why not go to where you are a citizen?
On 12/31/2020 at 3:13 PM, stuandjulie said:Actually the UK has ordered a lot, along with the AZ vaccine they developed they have bought 200 million units of the various vaccines (excluding the slightly dodgy Russian and Chinese ones) for a population of around 70 million.
Yes but there's a big difference between ordering it in and actually getting the supplies. Also, if the UK sticks to its policy of putting off the second dose as long as possible, that will make it impractical for many TVF members to go back and get the jab there (because it means a stay of 3 months or so).
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2 hours ago, rabas said:
A brief summary.
Feb-March
D614 strain, Most of Asia including Thailand, slow spreading
G614 much more infectious, dominated EU, US, the West, Russia ...
India-->Myanmar-->Thailand is from G614, not related to UK strain.
IOW, Thailand now has the "Western" strain.
According to the figures here, the Covid that was in Thailand during the back end of March 2020 was mostly G614. I can't remember the numbers at that point but I think lockdown v. 1 was around then, so G614 is not undefeatable provided you go hard and early. The same figures show that Australia was mostly G614, and they had a reasonably good result. NZ didn't make the map so this data doesn't show which strain they showed the door.
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13 minutes ago, Caldera said:
The longer they wait, the longer the lockdown will need to be to bring down the numbers. I'm surprised that they didn't at least outright ban interprovincial New Year trips - those will do wonders to spread the virus around across the whole country.
Same here but relieved to see stricter measures coming in today with school closures and shuttering of bars etc. in some places. 10 days ago would have been better but I'm not uncrossing my fingers just yet.
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3 hours ago, placnx said:
It would be interesting to compare the mutations in this Indian "variant" with the South Africa and UK strains. Anecdotally this new wave in Thailand seems to be aggressive, but does this strain have the mutations that are forcing lockdown in the UK?
I don't think it can have, or it would have been mentioned in articles about the UK strain. The reporting I saw on that and the SA strain was very much that the increased transmissibility was a new thing. I saw one piece (I think it was in the Guardian) that went into some detail on the mutations and compared the UK and SA variants. If some of them had already been seen in the Indian variant I think that would have been mentioned.
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10 hours ago, Jingthing said:
Rather than start a new topic, I'm wondering if there has been any news about whether Thailand now has U.K. variant and whether it's become dominant. There was talk for weeks now about a faster spreading but not more lethal variant coming in from Myanmar. Is that the same as the U.K. variant? I'm sure I'm not the first to notice that not only is the Thailand covid-19 lucky honeymoon over but it's seems to be spreading very quickly relative to the earlier stage outbreaks.
There was a report on here that they sequenced what they found in Samut Sakhon and it was an Indian variant that's apparently common in Myanmar. I think that has to mean it's not the same as the UK variant.
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25 minutes ago, charmonman said:
They did that the first time around and it worked well. I think they might be worried about the economic damage the second wave, but if they don't get it under control the damage will be worse. I agree with you, get ahead of it now with a short sharp lockdown and things will be better in February. Fart around with it and it could be months of misery on the level of Europe or the USA.
Yeah, it's like:
"So can we have a show of hands - who acted too late and regretted it?"
"I see, basically the entire western world"
"And who acted too soon and regretted it?"
"No-one, then. So Thailand, is it go hard go early for you, or go late go light?"
"Can we have some time to think?"
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3 hours ago, Guderian said:
Has the government simply lost interest in containing the virus now?
Back in March, they hit a peak of 188 new cases in a single day after the Lumpini superspreader incident, and quickly locked the whole country down very hard. By early May, to all intents and purposes, the virus had been successfully contained, almost to the point of elimination.
In Vietnam, they had a second outbreak in late July which hit a peak of 50 cases in a single day, when they also locked down (again) quickly and hard, and within a month things were more or less under control.
As long as you catch the virus at the earliest possible stage, a hard lockdown will bring it under control, we have clear proof of that. Yet Thailand now has 155 cases in a single day, and the rate of local infections has been increasing steadily for ten days or more, and still the government is dillying and dallying as if it has no clue what to do. They're asking the populace nicely to obey the rules and restrictions, and it's clear from Europe and the US that that approach doesn't work very well, they need to force obedience as they did back in March, April and May if they don't want Thailand to end up looking like the UK or Italy.
And they have a very limited timeframe in which to do it, I saw a study some months ago which showed that you could contain the virus if you caught it before the infection rate passed a certain number of cases per day based on the size of the population, of course. For Thailand, I recall that 188 cases was within that limit, but if they allow daily cases to pass the critical number, I can't remember what it was, maybe 500 per day, then we're really stuffed.
Come on, Prayut, get your finger out and get clamping down, before it's too late and you subject us all to endless misery.
Yes there's clearly been a change of policy and it's not easy to see why. Last time round they went for the eradication style lockdown used successfully by NZ (amongst other places) and this time they are going for the containment style lockdown used unsuccessfully by most European countries, the US and others. That means a longer lockdown when it eventually comes, more deaths and collateral health damage and more damage to the economy. A strange choice to make, but I think it's as good as made now.
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39 minutes ago, smutcakes said:
37 local to local infections and 35 migrant. Its not hidden its on the Govt presentation. I presume field hospitals are used as have 1,000 new Myanmar infections with many probably not serious or asymptomatic is not necessary to hospitalize them.
The tweet I saw didn't indicate where the 35 had been found. Presumably not Samut Sakhon though, because they said they were announcing those numbers separately. I can see the logic of segregating the Samut Sakhon cluster but why distinguish between Thai nationals and migrant workers in the rest of the country?
Thai on Kindle anyone?
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Yeah I meant Reader. I think they call it Acrobat Reader but you're right it's not the full Acrobat package. I don't know why but some pdfs use their own system for numbering glyphs and then use a kind of lookup table that converts them to unicode. You can tell because the encoding will be "Identity-H". When the conversion software tries to retrieve the text it gets the raw numbers when it wants the unicode, so you end up with gibberish. Could be totally unrelated to your issue but does happen.