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The Thai economy performed far better under the rural people's chosen party TRT than it did under the coup or the pro-coup Democrat Party. The supposedly educated Bankokians don't seem to make the best choices when it comes to economics and development.
thaksin was just in the right time when he was installed. the thai economy was booming after the '97 asian crisis and any government would have done the same.
Of course, that is a valid point to some degree. A major difference is that TRT was able to sustain the economic boom longer than the 12-32 month average length of time of other Thai governments.
good for him. and actually he is trying to stay longer than that. if you remember, he was plotting his own coup while he was in the US for the UN meeting. a week before the coup 2 boeing left don mueang airport as reported that TG full of thaksin's luggages that only him knows what is inside. his families left for singapore days before the coup. he knows about the coup, his own coup, but what he didn't knew was the military were also planning a coup against his coup and they did a day earlier of thaksin's coup.
How did you find the abiltiy to witness so many things in person? How many boxes did you count? At what time did you know about thaksin's own coup? What was his facial expression? One more thing, David Copperfield flew across the Grand Canyon the other day.
It's amazing people are talking about things in a manner like they saw everything happened. They are all just bloody media news and if they are even 10% true and accurate you can start going to the fortune teller to ask him how to be rich.
your reply was really helpful... may i ask you one thing? how come you don't know anything? PEACE
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The PPP has defeated the military coup-backed Democratic Party. Yes, you are correct, that is the same military responsible for the deaths at Tak Bai. How could someone genuinely care about Tak Bai and support the military's and military patsies continued involvement with Thai politics?
would you really expect that thaksin and company will go to the south to deal with the tak bai incident? of course not, the military are the operating arm and they will just obey orders from the top.
the military coup? of course, they have enough of thaksin.
So you think thaksin was there watching at the television instructing the soldiers at tak bai,"right kick, turny kick yes! left punch.... "and so and so? While holding a glass of beer?
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AHRCHK - as I said, rather naive. Believe me, the military didn't just sit around wondering what father Thaksin wanted them to do next.
Hitler was clearly in control of his troops, as apparently is George Bush. Thaksin clearly was not in control of the military and in no position to punish them. The Tak Bai situation was carried out by the Thai military. No, I don't think that Thaksin or Bhutto or Ang Sang Su Khi (sp) should be responsible for what the military juntas do to their countries.
I have to agree, if Taksin was able to command or control the military then there never would have been a military coup.
as i said, and many thai people are aware of, that thaksin was planning his own coup but the military went against him first. the military was divided into 2, loyal to thaksin and other that went against him. there's no point discussing this topic here but if you ask some of your thai colleagues and friends on what happened the day before the coup i think you will have a really good idea what went by.
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AHRCHK - as I said, rather naive. Believe me, the military didn't just sit around wondering what father Thaksin wanted them to do next.
the point is, he was the PM and could have done better dealing with the situation. he could punish the military for such incident but he didn't. his response was to send more troops. don't you think that as PM he should be responsible for all activities carried our by his government? hitler wouldn't say "my military did it, not me" or?
Hitler was clearly in control of his troops, as apparently is George Bush. Thaksin clearly was not in control of the military and in no position to punish them. The Tak Bai situation was carried out by the Thai military. No, I don't think that Thaksin or Bhutto or Ang Sang Su Khi (sp) should be responsible for what the military juntas do to their countries.
i'm sorry, but what is your point? do you really think that thaksin has nothing to do with all the killings and human rights abuses in thailand during his tenure? sorry man, i cannot stomach this discussion so let's go back to the main topic.
happy new year to you...
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AHRCHK - as I said, rather naive. Believe me, the military didn't just sit around wondering what father Thaksin wanted them to do next.
the point is, he was the PM and could have done better dealing with the situation. he could punish the military for such incident but he didn't. his response was to send more troops. don't you think that as PM he should be responsible for all activities carried our by his government? hitler wouldn't say "my military did it, not me" or?
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The PPP has defeated the military coup-backed Democratic Party. Yes, you are correct, that is the same military responsible for the deaths at Tak Bai. How could someone genuinely care about Tak Bai and support the military's and military patsies continued involvement with Thai politics?
would you really expect that thaksin and company will go to the south to deal with the tak bai incident? of course not, the military are the operating arm and they will just obey orders from the top.
the military coup? of course, they have enough of thaksin.
I think it is rather naive to think that the military was obeying orders from the top of anything but the military command. They didn't exactly follow Thaksin's orders now did they? Remember, the military consider themselves to be in command of the country while these PM's come and go.
read
http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....6statements/801
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They said any coalition leader they would join must agree to their conditions: reverence for the monarchy, respect for Privy Council president Prem Tinsulanonda, no revenge against political foes, no interference into the judicial process against ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra, and no dissolution of the Assets Examination Committee.
Isn't that the main plank of the PPP platform to do all of that? ..... or was it not do all of that??
at last, banharn is thinking.
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The Thai economy performed far better under the rural people's chosen party TRT than it did under the coup or the pro-coup Democrat Party. The supposedly educated Bankokians don't seem to make the best choices when it comes to economics and development.
thaksin was just in the right time when he was installed. the thai economy was booming after the '97 asian crisis and any government would have done the same.
Of course, that is a valid point to some degree. A major difference is that TRT was able to sustain the economic boom longer than the 12-32 month average length of time of other Thai governments.
good for him. and actually he is trying to stay longer than that. if you remember, he was plotting his own coup while he was in the US for the UN meeting. a week before the coup 2 boeing left don mueang airport as reported that TG full of thaksin's luggages that only him knows what is inside. his families left for singapore days before the coup. he knows about the coup, his own coup, but what he didn't knew was the military were also planning a coup against his coup and they did a day earlier of thaksin's coup.
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The PPP has defeated the military coup-backed Democratic Party. Yes, you are correct, that is the same military responsible for the deaths at Tak Bai. How could someone genuinely care about Tak Bai and support the military's and military patsies continued involvement with Thai politics?
would you really expect that thaksin and company will go to the south to deal with the tak bai incident? of course not, the military are the operating arm and they will just obey orders from the top.
the military coup? of course, they have enough of thaksin.
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The Thai economy performed far better under the rural people's chosen party TRT than it did under the coup or the pro-coup Democrat Party. The supposedly educated Bankokians don't seem to make the best choices when it comes to economics and development.
thaksin was just in the right time when he was installed. the thai economy was booming after the '97 asian crisis and any government would have done the same.
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without going through all the posts on this thread, shouldn't someone let these people know that Toxin robbed the thai people, don't they realise he has billions and yes he gave a few handouts of a few 100baht,what a crazy situation, can you imagine the UK with poverty throughout and Tony Blare heading off with Billions of pounds and able to take it out of the country, they may have got rid of toxin but his fllowers equally corrupt are back, why don't the powers that be let the people here know what is going on - in plain understanable lingo, they are being Fleeced
Not every billionaire is a robber. Not saying Thaksin hasn't taken some money here and there, but if someone has a billion dollars, my hat off to him, he worked hard for his money (unless she/he inherited like Paris Hilton). We may as well attack Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei for not giving away all their billions to poor people.
rainman, i know that deep inside of you you know dam_n well what we are talking about thaksin and his TRT and now PPP as you've been in this forum for quite a while now.
yes, not every billionaire is a robber but not all of them politicians too. thaksin could have done better being a normal citizen/businessman but being a billionaire is not enough for people like him, thaksin wants POWER - money and power. by being in power he can influence anything for his own interests. the land deal by his wife, the shincorp deal, the dummy companies, tax evasion, to name a few clearly shows this intent. one word for him, GREED.
thaksin has no respect for human life. the extra-judicial killings on war on drugs, do you really think that all that have been killed were druglords? maybe most, and maybe some were falsely accused but they were shoot to kill. more than 3,000 people end up dead, innocent or not nobody knows. the tak bai incident of which more that 85 people end up dead, the answer from thaksin after the incident was to send more troops in the south. the military acted as such because it was tolerated.
you might not be aware as i am until he was ousted that thaksin was also accused of insulting the monarchy ie. getting rid of some signs symbolising the monarchy like the garuda that you see in banks and government establishments and offices, there was also one instance that the garuda seal in some of the thai ID cards that were issued when he was in power was missing but thaksin have denied any knowledge of this. there are many more incidents that most thai people believed that thaksin was trying to do something that cannot be mentioned here. although his spokesman clearly said that he has SOME loyalty to the King. what do they mean by the word some?
what's next? thaksin will be on the sidelines, he will be the master of a puppet government and will continue to influence anything he wants and protect his own personal interests. what about the poor? the poor will remain poor, their debts will pile up while thaksin and his cronies will remain rich. they will, however, continue to show the poor that they care because these people are their capital to stay in power. business is business for Dr. Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra as we watch Thailand and its people to self destruct. is this what we really want?
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I am still stunned that the ordinary and quite poor people of Thailand supported the PPP, it is just beyond belief after Thaksin is almost certainly guilty of robbing these people of Thailand's inheritance of billions of Baht and ensuring their future will take many many more years before they can escape the poverty trap whilst Thaksin and his cronies just get richer and richer
I've never have understood why so many people who have lived in LOS for a couple rounds of government, thai style, cannot seem to grasp Thaksins ADMINISTRATION, was no more nor less corrupt than previous governments.
Is it that difficult? Is there a switch that just won't click? A mental block that stops all thought when this is stated? Unlike those governments he actually gave something to poor people. Yes he is corrupt, yes he is venally corrupt we all know this. I guess the point is if the other non Thaksin administrations would have been something less than as bad as Thaksins we could honestly throw brickbats at the people who voted for the PPP.
Obviously we cannot
For the first part I disagree, he sold AIS to a Singaporian company, it was and is not a national asset, if that is the case then DTAC and TRUE are national assets as well........ if they are to be called national assets then Thailand may as well turn "communist", do we all want that? As for a billion baht, if Taksin had sold AIS while the Democrates ran the country like a school canteen during 1997 to 2000, then he would have yielded less. He transferred it to his kids and the question is justifiable raised by the ASC (kangaroo court) that the transaction should have yielded tax.... That still has to be answered in court. Should Taksin never had entered politics, he still would have sold it for $2 billion US and as with everybody else would not have had to pay any tax anyway!!!!!!!!!!! So the question is, if he had his time over again, would have Taksin have gone into politics... I bet the anwser is NO, emphatically no.... Why the pain for little gain. What, a piece of land in Ratchadar, I dont think so.
I agree his gov was corrupt, policy wise is most likely the evil culprit, and if they nail him on it, well and good.
hold on right there! it's suppose to be the whole SHIN corporation that he sold which included the SHIN SAT which is a national asset. now the singaporean can easily eavesdrop into thailands' communication system.
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I don't know the urban results in these elections, but last April all the "muang" districts voted "no", even in Isan. Urbanites is not Democrat's weakness, it's their main support base.
TRT/PPP on the other hand were puushed not only out of the cities, but also out of much of the country. Effectively now they are confined to the North and North East, and it's certainly not Democrat's fault that PPP has become so geographically isolated.
Democrats doubled their votes since 2005, that's a great achievement, they've also got eighty seats outside the South and lost many more by a slim margin, it appears.
They are on the right course, not a time to pat themselves, but congratulations are in order.
The only party campaigning for national division is PPP. It's the only party that focused on one particular segment of society and blamed everybody else for that segments problems. According to PPP everybody - Democrats, Bangkokians, elite, generals - they are all out to swindle poor Isanesewho need to be protected by Thaksin and no one else. They'll eventually pay for that strategy, their future is doomed if they don't come out of Isan heartland.
i would certainly agree on this.
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he is giving 10 baht and taking 1,000 baht in return and of course many of the poor don't see this. thaksin is a businessman and everthing he does has to have profit. the rigth way to help the NE poor is not by giving them debts and cattles that they will eat anyway when they run out of money but to educate them.
But the way the poor people look at is as follows:
Taksin = gives 10 baht and takes 1,000 baht in return
Every other politician in Thailand just took the 1,000 baht or if they did give anything back it certainly never made it to the poor...
So if you were them what would you think is better 10 baht or 0 baht?
oh, so you really think that thaksin took less than any other politicians before him? how much tax he and his family has not paid while the noodle vendor on the street has to pay taxes for every single cents earned? two boeing left for europe with full of suitcases believed to be cash and gold days before the coup in september, where did this came from? suwanaphum project? the money he has loaned to the burmese dictator government? land deal? etc.
thaksin was giving to the poor to stay in power because he knew the poor masses will keep him. he is using them, exploiting them and keeping them stupid and dependent. one policy of the dems that the poor overlooked is the free education for all but they seem to prefer free cattles for all.
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I am still stunned that the ordinary and quite poor people of Thailand supported the PPP, it is just beyond belief after Thaksin is almost certainly guilty of robbing these people of Thailand's inheritance of billions of Baht and ensuring their future will take many many more years before they can escape the poverty trap whilst Thaksin and his cronies just get richer and richer
I've never have understood why so many people who have lived in LOS for a couple rounds of government, thai style, cannot seem to grasp Thaksins ADMINISTRATION, was no more nor less corrupt than previous governments.
Is it that difficult? Is there a switch that just won't click? A mental block that stops all thought when this is stated? Unlike those governments he actually gave something to poor people. Yes he is corrupt, yes he is venally corrupt we all know this. I guess the point is if the other non Thaksin administrations would have been something less than as bad as Thaksins we could honestly throw brickbats at the people who voted for the PPP.
Obviously we cannot
he is giving 10 baht and taking 1,000 baht in return and of course many of the poor don't see this. thaksin is a businessman and everthing he does has to have profit. the rigth way to help the NE poor is not by giving them debts and cattles that they will eat anyway when they run out of money but to educate them.
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i hope you are right but the exact opposite has been seen for both PPP/TRT leaders (Samak/Thaksin) on October 6, 1976 massacre (Samak) and the on October 25, 2004 takbai massacre (Thaksin) in the south.
You no what, forging history like that makes me mad.
Firs of all, ALL massacres were purpotrated by the military, the same military that so many hear were so delighted to see in government for the past year.
Secondly, Tak Bai is not a massacre in the same vein as the 1976 and 1992 massacres of unarmed people protesting for democracy.
The difference is, and it saddens me to have to point this out, that in 1976 and 1992 the military ACTIVELY SHOT TO KILL at unarmed protesters.
Tak Bai on the other hand was a <deleted>-up by the military, the same military alright, but at least it was a tragic accident in the way people died after being improperly transported in too few trucks. The resources weren't there to handle the detainees.
Furthermore, and this saddens me even more to have to point this out, in 1976 and 1992 the backdrop was peaceful protests to try to bring democracy to Thailand. In the South, the backdrop is monks, women and children being slaughtered by Muslim extremist thugs.
Thank you.
i agree with your insights but the point is, focusing on the 2 men in the lead, they should have done better ways to deal with the situation. yes, the military, they are the same everywhere in the world as they are the operating arms of the government in charge and they are in the front lines, some abusive, they make mistakes but they can be punished big time.
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Perhaps the Democrats can look at this and why only Bangkok votes for them
According to the latest unofficial results MORE pople voted for Democrat overall policies than for PPP.
The often repeated "only Bangkok bla bla bla" is patently not true, please try to base your opinions on facts.
http://203.150.244.10/reports/eng/ - here's the link
This is the same link where i got my 71 million votes from.
Total 71,772,667 400 100 35,535,767 80 100
The percentages still stand unless you think the same person cast one vote for PPP and second for another party. I asked a few people who they voted for and they said #,#,6# and #. I asked what party that was? They said they don't know someone told them these numbers and that is how they voted. One person admitted to casting no votes. Some said they did not vote. Some said they voted for PPP because they got rid of drugs. Some said they voted for the dems because thaksin stole too much. I am in Chiang Mai and not Isaan though so who knows ?
I do believe that things will not be hunky dory here based on what was happening right before the coup and I think that will pick back up again.
If you look at the proportional vote which will give the real voting figure you see a total of around 33 million votes of which both the Dems and PPP got about 14 million. Unofficially I think the Dems were slightly up. However, as Thailand is not a fully PR country it does not mena much other than the actual mandate PPP received in terms of the popular vote was not overwhelming. As in all countruies with a constituency based system we rely on the winners to recognize that they represent all the electorate an act accordingly, which rarely happens.
The PPP are in a position to do pretty much what they want right now in accordance with the thai electoral system. It should also be noted that the country is split between the 4 Northern most zones which proportionatlly went PPP and the four southern most zones which went Dem. To continue labelling the opponents of PPP as Bangkok based is to miss the point that opponents now spread through the south into Bagkok and onto many central and eastern provinces surrounding Bangkok. The country is now more polarised if anything in terms of numbers than it was a year ago and the polarisation is taking a North/South split. This is a tinderbox which with the wrong handling could result in a lot of tears. I hope personally that the calmer heads in ther PPP prevail and try to address national reconcilliation rather than just drive through personal agendas.
i hope you are right but the exact opposite has been seen for both PPP/TRT leaders (Samak/Thaksin) on October 6, 1976 massacre (Samak) and the on October 25, 2004 takbai massacre (Thaksin) in the south.
see takbai massacre on you tube:
part1
part2
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i would suggest that the first thing that you have to request is for foreigners' right to vote. when you have this right you can lobby anyone for anything but until then there's no way, not in a million years.
Foreigners can vote. All you have to do is get your permanent residence and then apply for Thai Citizenship. Shouldn't take a lot more than 13 or 14 years if you are lucky...LOL
Small things would make big improvements. Instead of no we can't, why not yes we can. There is strength in numbers, the foreign community is fragmented and the government agencies know that, we will get nothing or even lose ground, if we do not pull together.
exactly, so who needs AOFT?
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It could be worse. I don't see how we can know now how this will turn out. (See my avatar.)
Your avatar looks just like a puppet.
Have you been reading the tea leaves or monkey bones and getting future PM predictions again?If it looks like a puppet and talks like a puppet, it is a puppet.
I think he looks like a Pig
and talk like a bulldog . Always barking up the wrong tree give me 200M baht and i can be a puppet too.
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i would suggest that the first thing that you have to request is for foreigners' right to vote. when you have this right you can lobby anyone for anything but until then there's no way, not in a million years.
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The Democrat Party, which was the opposition group while Thaksin was in power, boycotted the event and held its own rally about 200 meters (feet) away.
Someone hasn't quite got the hang of metric/Imperial conversions.
200 metres = 656 ft 2 1/64 inches
200 feet = 60.960 metres
Or has Thailand switched to the water meter as a unit of measurement?
at 200 ft. they woulld be throwing bananas and tomatoes with each other.
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there's one post that says "thai people have spoken" but hey i don't agree with this. i think only the north and northeastern have spoken as majority of PPP's votes are there but if you look at the central, bangkok, eastern, and south the people says otherwise. so what's the difference we can see in these regions? you know it...
I hear ya. Votes from households with more wealth should count more heavily.
shhh... actually, i don't like samak and thaksin. any party will do but not PPP.
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The total number of people voting was over 71,772,667
While i don't doubt the number you quoted as the number of votes cast in the election. The truth of the matter is the population of Thailand is only 65,068,149 ( July 2007). Registered voters for this election were around 45 million. So using your figure that would work out to about a 159% voter turnout..
Probably why the Demo's got such a high vote... some of the dead voted too?
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there's one post that says "thai people have spoken" but hey i don't agree with this. i think only the north and northeastern have spoken as majority of PPP's votes are there but if you look at the central, bangkok, eastern, and south the people says otherwise. so what's the difference we can see in these regions? you know it...
i thought you knew that you should think deeper that this. my apologies if my post wasn't clear to you...
Prosecutors Vow To Arrest Thaksin Upon His Return To Thailand
in Thailand News
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i'm posting in this thread to share my views, if you are here posting criticising one's views please go away and mind your own thing. i hope you have a pleasant new year.