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14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Was that the one where Macron said 'let them eat hake'?

No, the time of The Scarlet Pimpernel.

You know when a chivalrous Englishmen was rescuing French people from the guillotine.

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1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Belgium wants UK employees still to keep minimum workers hours and terms of what EU members agree to.

Belgium wants...

Fair enough, that's something, I can accept as true.

And no there was no sarcasm, just disbelief, and it seems that the word "demand" was indeed not really the correct one to use.

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8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Belgium demands

I am really astonished, my country dare to issue demands!

 

Googled, but didn't find anything.

 

 

Please a link.

 

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16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you weren’t part of it don’t claim credit for it.

 

Simples.

 

Usually people refer to history when he suits them, not when not.

In the case of the Britons,

very rarely they would refer to the 15th. February 1942.

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4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Though I do think that what BJ did was the best he could do for the UK (i mean giving in and going for a deal)

 

Indeed, and it shows he doesn't let him be influenced by one group only ( the non-deal at whatever what cost, ones ).

 

In negotiations one doesn't speak about winners and losers, as there are always, one or another taken, for a given.

 

Giving in, hold out, are terminologies usually used by the base.

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5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Time for a reality check

 

Indeed.

 

An undeniable fact :

 

4+ years after negotiations started, they are still ongoing.

 

One can however have a negative/positive approach of it :

 

An indeed very long time;

But both parties haven't the desire to make a break up. 

 

So far.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You have just written nonsense I am afraid and a justification for remainers to feel they have been cheated. The vote from both sides had mistruths. How about the people who don't care about potential consequences of staying or leaving the EU but voted that they do not want to stay in or leave. 

 

The beer and water argument is useless and becoming childish for people to feel vilified.

 

For someone who talks about perception as an argument you have lost it with that post.

 

Always interesting to read your personal opinion about my posts.

They have however all the same inclination.

Which of course you are entitled to have, this being a forum.

 

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3 hours ago, vogie said:

 

Correct, the voters voted in good trust.

 

But they  were clearly uninformed/unawared. 

 

 

It's like asking :

"you want a water or a beer?"

 

When the majority opted for a beer, they are than informed that the beer is not available right away , as there are negotations going on with the browery, and that it may cost 1000 Baht. 

 

[Britons may need visas to stay in EU more than three months: French minister]

^

In Belgium, we mostly think :

" The dogs barks, but the caravan moves on" . 

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15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

66,000,000 don’t care 

Link ?

 

I know, silly.

 

But I don't want to be secondary here.

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17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

And mostly given us the same trade terms that the "Mighty EU" took decades to negotiate. Who'd have thought it?

 

Maybe appropriate to state :

 

"Thank you E.U., for building this relation with the different countries, we are now able to do business with, without the problems you than encountered."

 

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

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15 minutes ago, robblok said:

It seem BJ is a liar or really bad at poker. Bluffing all the time. But its hard to bluf an opponent with far better cards. I guess the guy is either incompetent or lying. He said he would break off. Did not do it again. That is lying or being really bad at the game. Either is not helping him. 

 

That's a perception, but you may be right.

 

Politicians are sly people, everything may be smoke & mirrors with a well define agenda :

giving the base the illusion that something is done for them, and if it doesn't work, it is because of the others.

This is valid for every politicians, and thus count for Mr. Macron as well. 

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3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So it was the EU who asked for an extension? The EU is not forcing the UK to continue talking. It is not forcing the UK to negotiate. The UK is free to cease negotiating any time it wants to. Take it up with Boris.

 

Both parties are looking for a deal. 

 

I am positively surprised by the attitude of Mr. Johnson, he seems to want to be the prime minister for all Britons, not only for a minority of hard cores who want a non-deal, whatever it may, maybe, cost for the man in the street. 

 

He may succeed or not, but there is certainly a will, as he is agree with the continuing of the negotiations, instead of definitively stop them yesterday evening. 

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4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Where did you obtain that quote from Luke, the British Media have a tendancy to be very economical with the truth, but panic buying is probably more to do with human nature, shoppers were buying toilet rolls like there was going to be no tomorrow when covid first struck.

 

 

 

I found that this morning on Brexit Latest News on the Net, seems, like I wrote, an article from The Sun. 

 

There is indeed a problem with every Media. Depends on the subject and the individual approach.

 

So  the same Media can be labelled as telling lies, if the reader don't like it, or labelled as telling the very truth when it agrees with the opinion of the reader. 

 

There are even people who immediately categorize everything from a well determined Media as untrue, they don't even have to read it. 

 

Panic buying is indeed a human nature when something occur or may occur.

 

If everything is smoothly, and will continue to be in the opinion of the public, there is no panic buying. 

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"Retailers have urged the public not to panic buy over the prospect of a no deal with the EU." 

- The Sun-13th.December-

 

Why does the Retailers think the U.K.public will panic when no deal? 

 

It seems that they think the U.K.public does not trust their government when these proclaim that everything will be fine in the U.K., even with a no-deal. 

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11 minutes ago, transam said:

but Churchill and his negotiating skills saved you from the aggressors,

 

You and I still know who you mean by "Churchill" and by the "aggressors".

 

Expect however soon when people will refer to these names, many will think about :

 

Young Lord Churchill : a rapper.

The Aggressors :  A Ska/Reggae band.

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"While both sides want a deal on the terms of a new relationship, they have fundamentally different views of what it entails. The EU fears Britain will slash social and environmental standards and pump state money into U.K. industries, becoming a low-regulation economic rival on the bloc’s doorstep, so is demanding strict “level playing field” guarantees in exchange for access to its markets.

 

The U.K. government claims the EU is trying to bind Britain to the bloc’s rules and regulations indefinitely, rather than treating it as an independent nation."

Deadline comes knocking: Is there hope left for Brexit deal? (apnews.com)

 

I think that resumes clearly the situation.

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2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Slack Alice might.

What is Slack Alice?

"Slack Alice" was released as the B-Side of Grayson's signature tune " Shut That Door," on York Records in August 1972. In the song, Alice attends a soccer match and throws her knickers in the air to show her displeasure with the referee. The previous year, a song referring to knickers being thrown in the air was banned by the BBC. 

 

So your post may be loud and clear for Britons, it is totally incomprehensible for me.

 

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1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Comparing Brexit to World War 2 , they both took about the same amount of time and the end results are the same 

There was a obvious winner and looser in World War II.

 

Doesn't seem the case between the E.U. and the U.K..

Both may proclaim they won, none will proclaim it loose.

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2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

because you all wanted no deal?

 

I don't know how much voters wanted a deal.

 

I know the U.K. government certainly wanted one from the very beginning till now.

 

They only will proclaim a non-deal today, because there is no consensus possible with the E.U..

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1 hour ago, transam said:

"If you don't like it, go home".

That's what I will do if it really becomes too much for me.

I hope it won't happen.

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The win in the referendum is not a guess.

Something evident since 24 June 2016.

No-one dispute this.

 

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3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Obviously not but most of us have.

Maybe,

but without data, every guess has the potential to be correct.

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Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Do a google search

I did, seems a conspiracy theory, but than maybe not.