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7 hours ago, Leaver said:
It's only free to the people if the Thai government buy it, or manufacture it. Both cost money. Currently, they are not doing either of any significance.
I agree that it should be offered freely to everyone who wants it.
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9 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:But you seem to not comprehend is that until everyone has had their jabs we're all at risk, I will feel a damn site better once me & the little lady have had the jabs of our choosing, not this Sinovac rubbish, then if I get it I may not die & my Mrs can go shopping without worrying that when she comes home she is not potentially lethal to me.
It may sound over dramatic to you, I don't know your circumstances, but I am an older person with hyper tension a bit over weight due to dodgy knees & back so can't exercise as much as I used only a few years ago. I wish you well for the future ????
I'm in my late 50s and have asthma, so I'm in a higher risk group. That said, I'd rather take the risk and live a normal life than put my life on hold. Why stop living to avoid dying? I used to take other risks too like riding large motorcycles and flying ultralight aircraft. It's my life to do what I want with, and I'm sick of all this totalitarian government nannying.
Lockdowns are dystopian, which is hardly surprising as they originated in communist China. Those who don’t want to take risks can and should isolate themselves. This 'isolate the vulnerable' was exactly the strategy of most countries (the UK until 2018, for example) before their governments panicked and started copying China. Such is the overreaction that controls are still in place in the West even after those at risk have been vaccinated. Think that can't happen in Thailand? Think again.
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43 minutes ago, StevieAus said:
I would have thought that the majority of genuine tourists who come from Australia or other countries, that can come here Visa Exempt or whatever the term is, would have no need to “buy” a visa.
I never bought one when I used to visit as a tourist and non of my many visitors over the past ten years have bought one.
For visits of up to 30 days, the visa exempt is sufficient.
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46 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:
Enjoy your view, sorry to disagree with you but I do.
There's no need to apologise for disagreeing with someone. I never do. It would be a boring world if people agreed with each other all the time, wouldn't it now?
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4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:Prior historical events are just that historical. Those events also occurred well prior to current medical advances learned from the past history. So please stop trying to compare now with then. Stay in the game of Covid and not Spanish flu as it has no bearing on today.
Prior events are historical? That's a really daft and obvious thing to say. Are you serious?
Now explain what medical advances make this respiratory infection different from any other. I'll give you a clue - it's a virus, so were the ones prior. It infects your respiratory system, do did the ones prior. It can kill you, so could the ones prior. A vaccine has been developed, unlike Spanish flu which DIDN'T have a vaccine.
By your own reasoning (recent advances in medicine), and by these amazing medical advancements (there's a vaccine for this one), we're all a lot safer now and should therefore avoid knee jerk media hysteria (which is also a lot more advanced). So why are we putting life on hold, still?
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28 minutes ago, Kerryd said:
Not quite.
Ebola is thought to mutate at about a quarter the rate that the influenza virus does. However, it is VERY lethal.
KEY FACTS- Ebola virus disease (EVD), formerly known as Ebola haemorrhagic fever, is a severe, often fatal illness in humans.
- The virus is transmitted to people from wild animals and spreads in the human population through human-to-human transmission.
The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.
The mortality rate of the covid virus is, on the whole, considerably lower. However, the rate rises amongst the elderly (60 y.o.a. and up) and those with underlying conditions (diabetes, cancer, etc).
Scary thought - they've found fruit bats in Bangladesh that were carrying anti-bodies for the Ebola Zaire variant of the virus. It may be only a matter of time before there's an outbreak outside of Africa and where would be better suited than a place like Bangladesh (very dense population of poor people crowded into small areas).
There are 4 main strains of the Influenza (Flu) virus (A, B, C, D) though it is the A strain that apparently causes most of the problems. However, it seems they've detected over 131 "sub-strains" of the A type, with the potential for there being another 67 that they haven't detected. Yet.
Covid-19 is also developing a number of strains, and possibly sub-strains as well. And doing it in a remarkable short time. They haven't had enough time to properly research the main virus and already have what, a half dozen or more other strains appearing ? No doubt they will develop sub-strains as well.
The first flu vaccine was developed back in the 1930s but it wasn't widely available until after WW2.
And in the 75 years since then (the end of WW2) - we still haven't built up a "herd immunity" to the virus. New strains of the type A can cause pandemics (as happened in 2009). It seems the type B and C variants aren't as severe and the type D variant is only found in cows. For now.
(Keep in mind that coronaviruses have been around for a long, long time but up until the outbreak in 2019, they were only found in animals and before covid-19, they couldn't be transmitted to humans. One more reason why this was probably developed in a lab, using animals as hosts).
I suspect that "covid" will be with us for a very long time. I also suspect that the vaccines will be similar to the influenza vaccines, with new "jabs" being needed each year to combat the strain that appears to be the most prevalent in whatever area you are in. Just like they do with the flu shots every year.
And like the flu shots, some people will get them and still get sick. Some people won't get them and won't get sick.
The big difference will be that the overall mortality rate from covid will surpass that of the influenza virus, vaccine or no vaccine.
(Note: all the information above was quoted/copied from sources on the net including Hopkins Medical center, Wikipedia and the WHO.)I was comparing Covid to flu, not Ebola to flu. As you say, it's of course possible that Covid will mutate, just as flu does, and that we'll have to get vaccinated for it every year, as is the case with flu. This also means that 'zero covid' policies are impractical, and that we'll have to live with Covid in the same way we have to live with flu.
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24 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:
However, Ebola is contained to certain areas and Covid is not. No comparison.
It is comparable with flu though. It's a respiratory infection that can in rare cases be fatal, particularly to those who are old or sick.
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TV advertising revenue would be well down because of all the fallout from Covid.
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8 hours ago, Leaver said:
Do they think covid will just disappear and they would have saved a few baht by not paying up to vaccinate the Thai people?
Agreed. Everyone should have the chance of a free vaccination. Seems that there are global supply shortages though, even in places like Australia that usually gets this kind of thing right.
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10 hours ago, bkk6060 said:
Unfortunately, we are all scre... I think. The variants will be taking over by then many of the current vaccines may not work. It is like a revolving door of cocoon Covid like many of the experts say, it will be around for quite some time.
Smallpox was around for 200 years after a vaccine was developed. We'll have to live with covid, not stop living for it.
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10 hours ago, Puccini said:
I do not understand the part "At worst, it would think out he herd by 0.01%". Could you explain it, please?
Ask him to show you the maths.
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8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:
You have missed the point completely Sir. Elsewhere is not here. Field Hospitals have been used here in the past, in Samut Sakhon, and will be used again as the hospitals are full and bed space is needed. Thailand will not be letting people isolate at home if positive for Covid. So at least get that point straight.
Thailand has this rather unusual policy of hospitalising anyone who tests positive for covid, even if they're asymptomatic, as the vast majority of people who catch covid are.
For that reason alone, field hospitals probably will be necessary. To house people in stifling hot tents who are otherwise fit and well, depriving care to those who are truly at risk.
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8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
Hardly a pandemic driven by an overreaction. Wow.
Well a lot of doctors and scientists certainly think so, but you only believe what you read in political rags like The Guardian.
Isolate yourself with a pile of Guardian back issues if it makes you feel better.
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1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:This OP is about Thailand and not the UK, stay on track please, as Hospitals are filling up and beds are needed, ergo the need for the field hospitals here in Bangkok.
Why not look at a precedent of how pointless field hospitals were elsewhere? Doing so will save Thailand a great deal of wasted time and money.
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2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:
Nurse shortage causes Nightingale hospital to turn away patients
Ah, The Guardian. That lefty political rag. Need we say more?
But even if tge report is accurate, it reinforces my point that field hospitals in the UK were unnecessary, and were a panic driven overreaction by the bungling government - as was everything else Covid related.
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2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:
Yeah. Hardly anyone died in the UK from Covid. Definitely not needed. LOL
And rather than mocking please make an intelligent contribution or rebuttal to the point I made, if you are capable of doing so.
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Just now, Jeffr2 said:
Yeah. Hardly anyone died in the UK from Covid. Definitely not needed. LOL
Stay on topic, which is field hospitals, and their usefulness.
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3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:Shame they didn't make use of them by putting all the old folk in them instead of sending them back into care homes to kill 10's of 1000's of otherwise health residents.
Very true. UK Government emergency strategy through the years, and as recently as 2018, was that a respiratory virus was inevitable and that the most vulnerable should be protected. They totally screwed up, panicked, and a lot of elderly folk died as a result. Lockdown of the general population was a Chinese idea, and was never considered.
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2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
Agreed. But there's a Complex story behind that. They tried to do the right thing. But didn't work out. And in the end, totally botched the initial response to covid.
Nonsense. The Nightingale hospitals weren't necessary. They were another example of gross government overreaction and panic that has been the hallmark of this covid pandemic.
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7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:
It's much more complicated than you portay it.
This is a news group, not a dissertation. Fact is, the Nightingale hospitals weren't needed, and were closed down or repurposed.
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This field hospital idea is reminiscent of the 'Nightingale' hospitals that were set up in the UK - large temporary covid hospitals that stood more or less empty. There weren't enough staff to man them, nor were there enough patients to fill them - existing hospitals provided sufficient critical care, crowded through they were, as in a severe winter flu season. The Nightingale hospital in Birmingham, for example, was stood down without admitting any patients.
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14 hours ago, ubonjoe said:
I just went to embassy website and read it myself.
I wonder if the is Australia only.
I checked the US and UK embassy website and could not find any mention of the them being closed there.
If they aren't allowed to sell visas, there will be no reason for honourary consulates to stay open.
Could also be a toughening up of the tourist visa system - honourary consulates simply sell visas, with no regulation whatsoever, and none of the revenue goes to the Thai government.
You'd expect the opposite, that they would be trying to entice tourists back.
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21 minutes ago, sambum said:
That's like asking does the Holocaust really matter now!
If it had been a smaller less affluent country to blame, I am sure that the World's media would have been all over it like a rash!
What's the point of blaming any country for Covid? This kind of thing can start anywhere - there were even reports that the Spanish Flu first crossed over to humans from pigs in the US, travelling with troops to Europe. Diseases can originate anywhere, and are accidental, so who really cares?
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9 minutes ago, sambum said:
I would rather that decisions were taken by somebody who knows what they are talking about e.g. the WHO, and the US Surgeon General, who at least had the common sense not to blame the spread of Covid on "dirty unwashed farangs"!!!
It's daft and unfair to say that Thais blame Covid on farangs. They don't.
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Chonburi orders all entertainment venues to close
in Pattaya News
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You make some valid points, except the part about 'the science', which indicates that there is only one unanimous scientific opinion. This isn't the case at all - not by a country mile. Scientists are very much divided, on lockdowns in particular, but politicians and the media have abandoned one opinion in favour of the other. Call me a cynic, but politicians chase power and the media chases and amplifies a story that makes money. Certain scientists, who were used to lives of boring obscurity, eating in their uni canteens, might also enjoy being courted by rich politicians too, human nature being what it is.