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  1. 5 hours ago, eisfeld said:

    A picture can't tell us how hard the rubber got and if it will explode, deflate etc at any point in time. The good thing that I can see is that there are no cracks yet.


    The best way to see if they are still useably is first to touch and see how the rubber feels, then go for a slow and easy ride and after warming them up a bit, see how they handle. Since your bike probably doesn't have ABS (or does it?), lock up the rear and check two things: 1. How easy is it to make the rear lock up? The easier, the less grip the thing has. 2. Does it produce a lot of strong smell when skidding on the asphalt? In my experience an old brittle rubber will produce a lot more nasty "burn" smell than a fresher rubber.

    When I bought my CBR back in 2017 from my neighbor's wife, I actually bought two of them, same year 2013, a white CBR-150R an a red one.  I kept the white one with 4 kilometers on the odometer and gave the red one with 8 kilometers on it to my wife's son.  He and his wife rode down from Chonburi for visit arriving last night.  I went out to compare his tires, same model, to those on mine since he has already racked up over 16,000 km on his bike.  His tires are pretty worn as you would expect, but the tread still hasn't worn down to the wear indicators although it appears that his bike's tires have lost a little of their roundness.  Rubbing the tires with my fingers, his tires feel fairly smooth as compared to mine which feel more textured.  Even those his bike has been parked outside for the most part, I still didn't see any cracks along the tread or the sidewalls and near the rim.  The OEM IRC Road Winner RX-01 tires may not be the best tires for grip, but they sure are durable.  It's my understanding that they are manufactured with a fairly hard compound for long life and after 6 years, the rubber is probably even harder, maybe bulletproof (lol).  


    A couple of days ago I was out riding and I was following a pickup truck pulling an empty trailer driving slowly up a hill.  Right when I pulled out to pass, he began a right turn, no signal (TIT).  I immediately hit the brakes and the wheels locked up, mostly the back brake.  Luckily, the truck driver saw me in his mirror and stopped at the halfway point in the turn before the trailer began it's turn and I stopped about a meter and a half from the side of his pickup.  I looked back and saw a broken black mark on the pavement as if the tire/tires had skipped along the road; the road was kind of rough and bumpy.  This is the second time I've had to lock up the brakes on my bike, both times it appeared that it was the back brake that mostly locked up; my CBR doesn't have ABS.  In both events, the tires didn't produce any type of smell at all that I could tell and after inspection, there was also no wear spots.  Of course, in both incidents, I was not travelling at high speed, but fast enough I guess.


    I guess, at this point, it all boils down to whether I have confidence in these tires or not.  I guess that a certain lack of confidence in these tires due to their age and due to the many reviews I've read about these OEM tires not being very grippy has made me very reluctant to lean the bike at higher speeds in turns.  Maybe this alone may be reason enough to replace the tires.  If I can get new tires for Baht 3500 that would instill more confidence in my tackling curves and such, it might just be worth it even if my old tires still have a lot of tread left on them, just saying.  This is what I will have to decide for myself.


    Thanks for everyone's suggestions; I'll post again if I change out my tires and let you know what I think of the new ones.

  2. Yeah, I've got a little over 1,700 km on these tires so far, mostly just driving around Pattaya and an occasional run in the countryside usually no longer than 45 minutes to an hour at a time, no long distance runs and fairly straight roads for the most part.


    The only reason that I was considering replacing them was due to their age, 6 years.  I assumed that the minimal wear may have been due to the tire rubber hardening with age.  I had read that over time, the oxygenation of the rubber causes the tires to dry out or harden and become brittle over time and wear less than a newer tire, but they will also lose grip.  Oxygenation can also eventually result in cracks in the tires particularly on the sidewalls, none of which are present in my set of tires since my bike has always been store in a fully enclosed garage and only seeing the sunlight when I go for a ride.


    I drove down to the tire shop yesterday afternoon and showed him my tires and of course, he recommended that I replace them due to age, not surprised since he is in the tire selling business.  I considered it, but when he unwrapped the new tires, the back tire was manufactured 1718, 17th week of 2018 and the front tire was from 2017 stock so I passed on these.  He offered to order new ones for me, but I was undecided and having second thoughts as to whether I needed to change them or not.

  3. I'm beginning to have second thoughts about replacing my tires.  Looking at them, they look almost new; the main reason I'm considering replacing them is due to their age, manufactured 2113, May 2013, six years ago.  Take a look at the pictures and tell me what you think:



    CBR 150 Tire Pic 1.JPG

    CBR 150 Tire Pic 2.JPG

    CBR 150 Tire Pic 3.JPG

  4. 5 hours ago, Randell said:

    Please lets us know which way you went on the tires as I am getting ready to swap out mine on the 150 cbr as well and following this thread with interest.

    I haven't decided yet, still researching, but I'll post once I've replaced my old tires.  I went out riding this afternoon and actually the OEM IRC Road Winners worked fine; I'm mostly concerned due to their age and of course, it nevers hurts to upgrade.  Tire availability is kind of limited on the CBR 150's due to the odd sizes especially the front tire.  I think that the new 2019 CBR 150 that it due out soon comes standard with either 140 or 150 rear tire which would allow for better quality replacements.

  5. 2 minutes ago, papa al said:

    ... guessing the 3500/3600 includes mounting & balancing.

    Top quality work, which they stand behind.

    papa has bought many tires (15-20) there.

    Don't forget to tip.


    Can you tell me the name of the seller; he told me, but i didn't quite catch it.  The prices he initially gave me 3500/3600 was for the tires only.  We didn't discuss total price because I wasn't ready to purchase.  By the way, do you know what he charges for balancing and mounting a new set of tires?

    I always tip for good service.

  6. 1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

    Do you plan a drastic change in your riding? Because you have 5 year old tires with little milage and thinking about milage you will get out of these choices you presented is a non-factor unless you ride way way more from now on. I'd bet both the Michelin as well as those IRCs that the guy recommended will work just fine for you. At these prices you wont get a high-tech tire. They will all be "good enough" for a 150cc. In any case I'd bet they are way better than the OEM tires you got before even if both are from IRC.

    I bought the bike in October 2017 from my neighbor's wife after her husband's passing.  The bike was bought brand new in 2013 and only had 4 kilometers, yes 4 kilometers on the odometer when I purchased it hence the low mileage.  The tires were 4 years old at the time I purchased it, but they still had the new tire paint and rubber tits on them.  They have less than 2000 kilometers on them now, but my reason for replacing them was due to their age, now 5 1/2 years old, although they still look to be in perfect condition as the bike has always been parked in an enclosed garage, first his and then my garage.  I could probably still use them, but I think I would prefer to replace them as a safety measure.  Plus, I have heard nothing, but negative comments about the original equipment IRC Road Winner tires.


    The IRC iz-s Super Sport 99 tires he is selling were manufactured in 2018, but the Michelin Pilot Streets were manufactured in 2017.  I'm kind of leaning towards the IRC's, but haven't ruled out an alternative; still searching and looking for recommendations.



  7. 54 minutes ago, papa al said:

    The guy that runs that shop knows what he is talking about.

    Yeah, I didn't catch his name, but he did seem very knowledgeable about the products that he sold from what I could understand; we did have a slight communication problem when discussing the performance factors of the tire models.  He seemed to express that the IRC iz's were the best tire for the money.  They are a softer compound than the Pilot Streets.  He rated the Pilot Streets as a medium compound and the IRC's as a soft to medium compound.  It would be great if they were a dual compound like the Pirelli Angel GT's which I think are the best bang for the buck, but unfortunately not available in the size I need for my CBR; they would be a great choice for a CBR 300 or larger.

    Searching on the internet, I couldn't find much information either on the IRC iz's and all of the YouTube videos were in Thai so not much help there either.  I did check out 29tire.com, but still, there aren't many tires, especially the front tire, that are available for the CBR unless I go up a size which I don't really want to do.  


    I think that the iz's might be a good tire, but being an IRC tire, I just want to make sure that they would be a significant improvement over my original IRC road winners RX-01 tires especially in the rain or rain slicked roads.  I'm also curious, being that these have a softer compound as to how long will they last.  For Baht 3,500 plus mounting, it's not all that much out of pocket to give them a try, but I'm going to search a little more before committing, maybe take a look at Bridgestone.


    What are you running on your CBR?

  8. I decided to replace the original IRC tires on my CBR-150R.  The tires have low mileage, but are 5 years old.  The tread is very deep, hardly worn and the sidewalls still look like new, now cracks or any signs of wear, but since they are old and from what I have read on this forum, the IRC's aren't very popular, I figured that I would replace them.  I drove down to the Pirelli tire shop just past the Maxis tire store on Sukumvit to check out what was available.  My CBR has 100/80/17 on the front and 130/70/17 on the back.  The only tire sets he had that would fit my back were the Michelin Pilot Street and the IRC izs Sport S-99.  He had a lot of Pirelli tires, angel GT's, but not in the size needed.  I was all ready to buy the Michelin, but when I asked if they were the Pilot Street radials, he said that they were bias ply tires.  I had been reading reviews of the Pilot Streets and the radials were rated much better.  I asked about them; he looked them up and they were double the price of the bias ply pilot streets.  Actually, he was pushing the IRC izs tires claiming that they were a better tire than the pilot streets.  I mentioned to him that most reviews of IRC tires were not so favorable, but he said that this model was much better, night and day, better than the Road Winners that came originally on my bike.  The IRC izs sport s-99 set costs Baht 3,500 and the pilot streets costs Baht 3,600.  Searching the internet, it appears that Pirelli doesn't offer the Angel GT's in the size I need.  The closest he had was 110/70/17 and 140/70/17.


    In the US, the pilot street radials are only slightly more expensive than the radial model.  I saw this video comparing sportbike tires using a KTM RC390.  I found it odd that the Michelin pilot street radials finished in last place whereby the IRC Road Winner RX01, my original CBR tires finished just ahead of them.


    Anyway, I would appreciate your recommendations.  I'm not in a rush as my original IRC tires are still in great shape, but due to their age, I would like to eventually change them out.








  9. 35 minutes ago, papa al said:

    on a 150, you better like to rev.

    Yeah, I don't mind revving it; that's what makes the 150 so much fun especially the CBR 150.  I have the newer model to yours, but revs are revs.  It seems that a prerequisite for adding a gear indicator is having a bike with an ECU to plug into. 


    I'm thinking about picking up a Honda Rebel and it has neither a gear indicator nor a tach and it also has a pretty quiet stock exhaust.  Anyway, I thought that if the gear indicator worked well on my CBR, I would also put one on the Rebel, that is, if I decide to take that plunge.

  10. I agree in general that you shouldn't run your tires beyond the manufacturer recommended date, but one thing to consider beyond how much you have driven on the tires is location and the environment you have your bike parked when not in use.  I keep my truck and bikes parked in a fully enclose garage for the most part in at or near darkness.  In this environment, the rubber looks very good, no cracks and will last much longer than a vehicle parked outside in the heat under a cover and even worse, parked in the sunlight along with the other environmental factors, temperature, humidity, rain etc.  As the tires age, they should demand more frequent inspection.  The UV rays from the sun are the worse enemy of tires, vinyl, leather, dash, door and window seals.  The seals on my 12 year old Vigo are just as pliant as they were when new.


    What I am saying is that there is no hard and fast rule on when tires should be changed; it all depends on how they were used, how they were cared for and how they were protected from the elements; my two cents worth.

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  11. I've been riding this particular Honda CBR-150R here in Pattaya for 3 years and I agree, I know that I don't actually need a gear indicator per say, but the fact that they seem to be available at a reasonable cost, I figure, why not.  There are even new bikes out there that don't even have a tach, Honda Rebel comes to mind, so you have to rely on speed and engine sound alone.  I would just like to be able to glance down at an indicator on the occasion that I can't remember whether I had shifted into 6th gear or whether I was still in 5th gear.  To put it a different way, sometimes it feels like my CBR-150R need a 7th gear (lol) if you know what I mean.


    I may or may not have one installed, but I would like to look into it and visit a location of a shop that installs them, preferably from someone who has had it done on their own bike.  I would also like to get some first hand knowledge of how well it has worked and how reliable it is long term.



  12. I did some research on the internet and it appears that some gear indicators will work even for the CBR-150R.  From what I gather, the unit connects into most bikes that have an ECU.  It plugs into the dianostics connector and you program the microprocessor to learn what gear the bike is in via speed and rpm.  The first like is a YouTube video showing the installation, setup and programming for the gear shift indicator on a Honda CB300F.  Other links discuss the procedures and programming for the CBR-150R.  Now, if I can just find some place that installs them.  I have seen other videos from Thailand, most in Thai, whereby the bikes had the indicators installed, some of them were Honda Rebels.  The Idea Gear Indicator can be installed on almost any bike, Honda CB500 series, 650f etc.

    Idea Gear Indicator- A $35 Miracle for Honda CB300F  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCyEDb3M9s 

    GIPro xtype gear indicator  https://www.sportbiketrackgear.com/healtech-honda-cbr150r-10-15-gipro-x-type-gear-indicator/





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  13. I assumed that the Honda dealerships would not carry the aftermarket gear indicators; they hardly carry Honda's own accessories.  I don't know if the CBR has such sensor or not, but I have seen a lot of Honda Rebel's with gear indicators added.  I'll check with Honda, but also looking at alternatives.


    I got a little miffed because the first 3 posts to my topic were completely off topic.  I didn't ask for anyone's opinion of gear indicators; I only wanted to know where I could purchase and have a gear indicator installed.  Why post if you're not going to be helpful and answer the question; that's all I'm saying?  I see this happen to so many posters on this and other thaivisa forums and it's really not necessary.  Opinions asked, opinions given; questions asked, questions answered; it's that simple, at least that's the way I approach it.

  14. 8 hours ago, Kinnock said:

    I've ridden both the X 300 and CB 500 X, but only on test rides, as I'm looking for a new bike.


    X 300 must be the easiest 'proper' bike in the world to ride in traffic - unbelievably light clutch, smooth motor, low seat, high bars, slim waist, feels light and nimble.  Zingy, revvy motor is a joy, (but cruising needs high rpm).  My test ride included a go on some rough ground, and again the light weight made it stress free.  Nearly bought it just based on a 20 minute ride, despite the plank of a seat.


    But .....


    The CB500X is so much more bike for almost the same money.


    Yes it's heavier, and this is noticeable when wrangling through traffic, but every aspect of the Honda is a compact 'big bike' whereas the Kawasaki is a stretched 'small bike'.


    Compare the engines - Kawasaki looks like a chain saw motor, Honda looks like a motor bike, look at small details like chain adjusters - Kawasaki has tiny nuts like a Wave or an Exciter (or a Ninja), whereas the Honda looks like a CB1000.  Same for levers, foot brake, lights, hubs etc., - Kawasaki is in the upper end of the 250cc lightweight bike category, whereas the Honda is at the lower end of the 650 middleweight sector.


    I really wanted to prefer the X300 - it's wire wheels, neat luggage, phone charger, zingy motor, but at almost the same cost - the CB500 is clearly in a class above, especially the 2019 version with LED lights and 19 inch front wheel.


    But there"s another two bikes that are making me delay my purchase of the Honda ....


    Enfield Himalayan - waiting to see if they offer the ABS version in Thailand.


    And the future KTM 390 Adventure.


    Thanks for your input, very informative.  Yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards a 500X, but they seem to hold their value very well as what few I've seen on the used market is quite a bit more than what I have seen for the Versys, but I'm in no hurry so I will keep looking.  i would consider the new 2019 500X if I rode a lot more than I do now, but based on my occasional riding, a good used one would better suffice.  A new one would just sit around and depreciate in value even if it did have fairly low mileage at the time of resale.


    I've heard a little about the Enfield and KTM; my main concern would be reliability as compared to the Honda.  Again, thanks for your input.

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  15. I think one of the problems is that the CBR150R remained pretty much unchanged since the latest model was introduced in 2013 through the 2018 model then came the newer designed naked Evolution model which made the CBR150R  kind of long in the tooth design wise.  However, it is my understanding that a new redesigned CBR150R is coming out very soon so that may also contribute to the drop in value of the older model.  Also, as Kwasaki points out, the CBR150R does have a lot more competition among other manufacturers.  Back in it's hay had when the first generation CBR150R was introduced, 150cc bikes was pretty much it as Thailand restricted size of motorcycle bikes sold in Thailand.  I was at Honda last week or so and if I'm not mistaken, the CBR150R leftover models were selling for around 69,000 baht if I'm not mistaken.  the 150's are also getting more competition from the 250 and 300 market whereby prices are more affordable than in the past; if they would only drop the prices on the 500's, I'd be a happy camper.

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  16. I agree, I should have bought the Honda CBR500R in the first place, but I let my wife talk me out of it since my primary use was for riding around town, but having bought the CBR500R, it would have given me more flexibility to venture out of the city for the sheer joy of riding for the fun of it.  Before moving to Thailand, I'd never owned a bike under 500cc.  My first bike ever was a 500cc Yamaha back in 1973, soon to be traded in for a Triumph Trident 750cc triple.  I've owned several other bikes over the years, but when I went to work overseas in 1994, I had moved away from bikes, not a good idea in Saudi Arabia.  Before moving to Thailand and following my marriage to a Thai, I bought a 2000 Honda Sonic Nova 125 to putt around in the home village up north; we kept that bike until just recently then about 18 months ago,  I didn't ride it much because it just wasn't a good fit for me, too small in size making it uncomfortable to ride. 


    I picked up the Honda CBR150R from my neighbor who was liquidating his collection following his death.  I should have gone with the 500, but opted for the 150 based on what I expected its use to be at the time, big mistake in my mind as I passed on a really good deal.  The CBR150 does fit much better than ergonomically than the sonic being larger in stature and a taller seat height, but after taking it out on a few longer rides, I find that the seating position, location of the pegs, low clip-on bars putting pressure on the wrists do not make for a comfortable and enjoyable ride.  Could I live with it, sure, but should I, there are better alternatives.  I may take a look at making modifications to make the bike more comfortable, but after doing so, it still wouldn't make up for the lack of power especially low rpm torque.  This bike needs revs to produce its power, max torque around 8500 rpm and max HP around 9500 rpm and requires a lot of constant gear shifting.  I feel when riding that I seem to always be in between gears especially around the city.


    I've come to a point that I would like to ride a little more so why not do it in comfort.  I could keep the CBR for city driving and pick up a larger bike for cruising around, but I think I would rather just find one good all around bike, preferable a second hand bike in exceptional condition.  I've all along leaned towards the 500cc Honda's, but the Kawasaki Versys-X 300 caught my attention.  After watching many YouTube videos, I thought I would seek the opinions of those on this forum who ride in the Thailand environment.


    Thanks to all who have offered their opinions and expertise. 

  17. Thanks Randell for your input, an interesting alternative.  I'm 180cm and 75kg so the seat height as far as seat height to ground is good for me, maybe could raise it a little, but as you know, the footpegs are a bit under the rider so there will still be a significant bend at the knees when riding.  I would like for the pegs to be a little more forward for comfort.  I was at the Honda dealership a few weeks ago and asked about raising the bars, didn't cross my mind about replacement bars.  Anyway, I was told that I could not use risers with the clip-on type bars.  I remember when I had sat on the CBR500R, it had more of an upright position than the CBR150R and less knee bend; I guess that size matters.  I would be interested to check and see if the CB500X bar and risers could be fitted to the CBR150R.  I would still like to have a slightly larger bike, smoother running with less vibration and more power, but your recommendations do make a lot of sense especially since my bike is in excellent condition with low mileage, under 750km total.  I've change the oil on it a couple of times, but in all actuality, I haven't even completed the break-in and reached the first scheduled service.  It would be interesting to see a couple of pictures of your bike mods.  Like you, I don't like to ride fast either, but I do like to ride comfortably, wouldn't mind a little softer suspension, but you get what you get when riding a relatively lightweight bike designed to mimic that of a sports bike.



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