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2 hours ago, farmerjo said:
Rice harvest is just around the corner.
Some in the village have started hand cutting.
Looks like i might be away when ours is ready and don't think the FIL will wait for me to get back to harvest.
So rather than hire a driver for our harvester i've suggested hiring the other harvester in the village.
Mrs tells me the going rate is 900 baht/rai this season.
Happy to pay that but wondering what other people are expecting to pay in their area.
We are west of Khon Kaen/Chumphae area.
here people are already busy with the harvest, 700 baht arai so i heard the other wk.a good few harvesters in the village now plus the local government has 1 for rent, i see this yr a lot of people have swiched over to using the harvesters. wife is selling bags at 5baht, village shop price 6 or 7 baht.
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On 3/23/2023 at 2:07 PM, farmerjo said:
Didn't think they would,but should.
When an ex boss of mine leased his broad acre farm out he bought a chicken farm.
How it worked was say 30 farms contracted to the supplier with each grower having equal input.
The deal was it was driven by standards so over a period of time the bottom four producers were vunerable to losing contracts to new sheds but the amount of growers stayed the same.
boiler farming from what i hear and read sounds a lot harder to get paided ok if you run an average farm/production.
alot of the contracting farm models come from the usa. the tournament model is popular in the usa, like you mention benifits the top end farms but kills mid to low end farms....
i like the idea (used in usa) that the farmer get paided per animal/space in each farm (sort of regardless to production targets.) like this would help if you go delivered weak chicks or infertile gilts... alot of time the supply chains of these big companies does not match up to their own standards....
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12 hours ago, kickstart said:
I would have thought that loans would have come from BAAC, or Om-Sin ,Government Savings Bank, but do they have a limit I have posted that our dairy farmers have borrowed up too 1 million baht from BAAC ,but you are talking about a lot more than that.
In this area we have an area that is full of poultry farms, the area is way out of town not so many house etc. ,not so many objections to it all soil not good for framing soil very light . so land a bit cheaper, than better quality land in the area
Most are independent farms suppling the big boys on contract they are funding it all them self's, like you XX million baht investment money must come from somewhere.
Note ,a local dairy co-op who I use to work decided to build large dairy farm they borrowed 150 million baht from the Government Savings bank buying land, buildings, stock act they lasted 6 years then gave up with a loss of 50 million baht.
As I said at the time they can manage 30 cows but not 300, they aim, I think they never got they, no management, they gave up who will repay that loan, not herd who as of yet.
the baac bank in my mind is the better option to borrow from then say scb or kk ect.. i think (not sure coz have not done it) if you have enough land to borrow xx amount the baac will let you borrow coz they will only let you have 40 or 50 (max) % of appraised land value, plus you will be borrowing in the group/team format so all the other people in your team will have to counter sign/guarantee your loan... the wife team has around 10 people in it. i do know 1 local couple who borrowed 3,000,000 to do finisher farm some years ago, took some time to sort out but been up and running now for 3 plus years....
our area now is full of finisher farm and sow farms (betagro) plus some thaifoods group and cp all within 10km of us. its very difficult to getting planning permission now to build.
example. wife was selling some land last year, but before the change over of title the new owner wanted the planning permission in pace to build finisher farm. by the time the wife had got all the paperwork ect ready to go to the local vote five other land owners in same area also tried to get permission at same time... 555 all got rejected... no land sale, but she managed to sell said land a few months latter for more baht. new owner bought because he wants to build a finisher farm when he can.......
alot of farmers around us that built a finisher farm 10 plus years now have 3 or 4 on same site (4 is the max the company allow) most would have used the baac to finace.... if we were to borrow again the baac would be my 1st choice.
basic cost of 700/750 head finisher 3,000,000 plus plus
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13 hours ago, farmerjo said:
Do you have a union of growers in Betagrow to help control the amount of contracts and prices?
555. no, will not happen with the local peoples mindset. i have spoken many times over the years of the need of forming some kind of union.
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1 hour ago, CLW said:
Loan probably also provided by the contractor... My mind boggles. No wonder Thai farmers always stay poor
no the loan will come from one of the banks.
in the past (like us) you will try to borrow from say scb or kk bank ect... its a long and difficult process.... will need money in bank (history) and also money going in from say job every month. in our case a betagro rep (guy that got us the contract) smoothed the way with the bank by saying what was pos to earn/garentee of work ect.... 100% will need this.
i was talking to the SME guy at scb about 4 yeas ago and he was saying that they will not lend for betagro contract farms now. why? poeple cannot repay loans.....
i know the guy that is trying to get new people to sign up in the contarct sow farms in our area, he says the only bank that will lend now is the baac.
you can do well working in the contact farming if your work is to a high standard... but many farmers do have problems meeting production targets. so far for us its been good.
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14 hours ago, kickstart said:
Driving past our Betagro mill I see a lot of blower tucks a lot with a trailer a lot of the big poultry farmers use 18 wheel artics.
We have a few local shops that sell pig feed in bags for the small farms I would say they will continue for a while yet.
As you know we rear a few cattle, we feed brewers grains we have 3 local suppliers we buy grains in 40kg bags ,the bags are nearly all 30 kg old pig feed bags, the grains are delivered by truck and trailer or by 18 wheel artics ,you think about it 30 tons of grains going in to feed sacks that is a lot of feed sacks ,and most a new straight from the farm, not been around the mill .and as I said we have 3 suppliers in this area
So somewhere they are still a lot of pig farms buying they feed in sacks.
Like you our feed has gone up by 20% ,I would say the price will not come down ,if it does that will be first.
A lot of dairy farmers have given up the margins are getting tighter all the time and rice straw is at a record price, not even thinking of their bank borrowings.
Question might be dumb, if you have to change over to silos will you have to pay for them or will Betagro help, would it make more work no bags to take to the pig pens ,you will have to barrow it from the silo?, install an auger system expensive.
the only reason we are changing to silo feed is the cost saving for the company. we have had the silo all ready to go/set up for over 1 year already. all the finisher farms moved over to silo feed around 3 or 4 years ago. a couple of years ago i was told sow farms under 300 head will not be going to silo as too small.... but now all change...555
farmer gets the silo "free" but we have to buy the scales. scales around 100,000 baht..... if we finish contract inside 5 years we have to pay for the silo to be removed. around 50,000 baht up...
silo is connected to our main feed store by auger system, we then fill feed carts - then into farm. all up cost 2x14 ton silo plus augers and scales not much change out of 600,000 baht..... i can buy online alot cheaper but was told have to have company ones. betagro have a "brother" company called b inter they deal in farm equipment and contract builds.. so basically sell to themselves at an inflated price, same principle as the contract farm model - feed/animal/phamacy sales all in house....
we will still receive some bagged feed (same with finsher farms) because of power cuts ect...
yes bagged feed will still be main for shops ect...
yes like you say i think feed costs have to come down, same with the buying/selling rate for pig meat ect..
@ the mo the company is expanding its pig business as much as poss (last 2 or 3 years) loads of new farms coming online now, basic build for 250 head sow farm 5.5 - 6,000,000 baht ... i hear of people taking loans @ 20 years now...... all i would say is dont.5555
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13 hours ago, kickstart said:My cattle feed has maize, cassava, palm meal ,coconut meal, soya, rice bran meal, and some rice husks, if you look at a bag of feed it will list all the ingredients and they is a lot ,with a and or after each ingredient, they will use what is available and more importantly what is cost effective
I have a big Betagro feed mill near here pre Covid they use to be a long queue of truck s waiting to tip they loads thay have come up from the port their loads coming from ships.
Now I see very few now weather it is the war in Ukraine, inflation making imported feed stuff expensive, they must be using from local suppliers one guy I know is only 20 km down the road he sells them corn and cassava ,as you say soya must come from South America, someone did tell me that some comes from China, can not see that ,with the Chinese taste for pork you would have thought they would import most of their soya.
lovely betagro have (from what i can see) been running low on feed stock for a couple of years now, used to get 1 lorry delivery per farm 550/600 bag. for some time now its 1 lorry for 3 or 4 farms... bag date stamp produced 2 or 3 days before. before the feed would be 1 or 2 week old by the time we received it...
nearly all areas/provinces are now delivered in silo format, we are one of the last to change over, can not get a clear answer on when we change, but i think its down to lack of silo lorry and drag units...
feed cost increased by around 20% last year until november, then it started to come back down by about 5/10 baht a bag (2ish %)... higher protein feed increased by about 30% inside same time line.
baht for owner driver lorry stayed the same for past 1.5 years
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On 2/27/2022 at 4:11 PM, Postharvesting said:
Why farmers buy 2nd hand harvesters or balers?
isn’t buying new equipment convenient as they can get retail finance support?
is there any retail finance support for buying old equipment ? do you know/talk to a thai person that that has bough or tried to get finance on something? maybe good to start here.?
maybe go to your local kubota dealer/ go speak to the government bank and see what terms they will want to finance something? gov bank will loan around 40% of current land value
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2.4baht a bag if buy in the 1000's
3.5baht a bag if buy in the 100's is what the wifes sells the 30kg feed bags for. just for info...
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around us the land is bad (clay/large stone) people will rent anything fro 4/5 rai and up. for years its been 1000 rai, now loads of people have 1 or 2 tractors with trailers ect... can tip and get paid at local weigh station.
pay 1 year at a tine for 3 years then 4th year is for the land owner.
a lot of rice crops round here will not even give you 200kg per rai.
sell land is what i say to the wife for years now....
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cane is 1300 baht a ton here +/- 50 baht.the biggest weigh station is not open this year..... people say the yield is good but.... still prob around 6/7 ton a rai. i walked a few plots the wife rents out and it looks sh5t as usual, luck to get 4/5 ton ect... all hand cut.
been busy selling the bagged pig poo, cassava no.1 people are buy it for... 35 baht a bag..... sold by the 100's.
wife says its 1500/2000 baht a rai yr rent now on the cane, before only 1000.... everything is going up in price it sees
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bananas. bamboo.fruit tree.hard wood trees.ect...mix it up, will not cost alot.
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around us (udon thani - rural) we have had afew done over the last 15 years. drill and not find water no pay, drill to 50 + netre 6'' bore/blue pipe 4,000-6,000 baht. that is the going rate, (its very cheap) i have heard in different area/province anything upto 50,000 baht.
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just been getting quotes for some 12'' pipe, been a while since we have bought large size pipe, had to sit down when they told price for thickness i wanted, ended up going with the thinnest grade (5)
have pipe in sunlight for some 11 years still works good.
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yep lumpy skin problem is indeed a problem around us, udon thani. all local village stores have had no fresh beef for sale for 2 plus weeks now, not allowed to sell so i have been told.
over the past month many cows have been struck by lighting and died in and around the villages close by to us, plus many shared photos of dead cows in facebook that have also been hit by lightning in said province.
price, a lady that comes to the farm daily has some cows for sale like in photos above, 3 mums 2 that are in calf and 2 smaller calfs,she has been offered 200,000 baht but wants 220,000.....
cows around here are still expensive.
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@ 5kg that will be an easy job. nice money for the vet too.
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20 hours ago, Moonrakers said:
Thanks folks.
There's no way I'll be doing it myself. I'd rather pay a professional to do it to help ensure the litle fella comes to no harm (asides from having his bits removed, obviously).
We found a BKK vet that'll do it for 5k. A bit more than I thought it would be but OK. 2 other places quoted 20k. Ouch...how old is the pig? about how much does it weigh?
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i would say from 5 days old....
in farm we would do say 200/300 per month.
sharp blade/razer. 2 little nicks then pull the balls out, iodine , done. straight back to drinking milk.
if you do yourself check that the balls are "free/loose" if one is attached to the stomach area i would try and find someone to do for you. ie you could pull intestine out.
have a look on youtube, video tutorial ect,, maybe...
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3 different styles: wife buys the fish in bags once every 4 ish years, never buys feed, can eat them from 6 months in pond, max 0.5kg most around 300/400 grams, they just reproduce then get eaten.
family a short walk from us rear them on shop bought feed, have 5 large ponds, always selling fish most under the 1kg at 70 baht kg. they whole sale most to the guys with the tanks in back of pickup trucks, must earn a bit or would not keep doing, (need to buy feed) being going 6 plus years.
contract growing for betagro. many people in the village started this some years ago, say 6 or 7 families. some dug ponds on 20 plus rai most "only" dug under 10 rai. now only 2 still doing it, alot were loosing 50/60,000 baht a cycle..(if you dont produce x amount of kg per stocking volume you end up paying for percentage of feed.) that would be on say 4 or 5 ponds 20m x 40m per cycle. on top of that feed lose/cost you would have to factor electric cost for bore pump plus the chemicals they use to try and keep he water ph on track. from what i see they average 0.6/0.7kg in 4 months, with high mortality rate.
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red ish with long ears..... yes. its crazy if they can get anything near the price that she says.
a lot of people gotton back into cattle this past year in and around the village, going back 6 or 8 months ago i was hearing 40 - 50,000 baht for mum with a walking calf, then 2 or 3 months later i heard people flippng said animals for anything from 50 -70,000 .... no investment just hand cutting some weeds (have 2 people at the farm now cutting..) we always have people here cutting weeds.
road side beef is 280 kg in village shop 320 kg i buy good minced beef in macro from 270 - 350 kg.
live animal prices just seem crazy to me even if they are sort of subbed by local gov.
on a side note this year someone bought a kubota bailer, now alot of people have a store of "hay"
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wifes friend has some cows, 1 just birthed the other day, looks ok, mum on the thin side, what got me was the prices that were being thrown about, 80/90,000 baht was said to be the going rate for a mum with calve in toe, this lady said to me that she would not sell at said amounts as tooo cheap.. thats almost their value if you butcher them then sell @ 300 bath a kg.
anyone getting top baht for their cattle at the mo?
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birds,flies, and rats could bring asf into your area.
did read about a vaccine that was in the final stages of testing about this time last year, but with this covid ....maybe on a back burner at the mo.
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if your wife uses facebook have a look at some of the "pig" groups. loads of photos of farm set up's ect... people also sell farm stuff on there, maybe cheaper then buying a load of steel then welding it up.
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edit. Machine is booked for end wk to cut last of rice,now 800 baht...