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From the document I got on applying, it is pretty clear that he has to prove that he paid tax on a salary of at least 15K/month in the past year. You need to show a tax receipt to do this. I'd have a chat to the revenue department in your local area on how he could report his income. Remember, on a salary of 15K per month (reported) the actual tax liablity would be tiny, perhaps a couple of thousand baht all up for the year.
Thanks once again Samran, you're a wealth of information! I think what I might do is just pay that amount into my husbands bank account for the next year, then he can get a tax card and do the payment. Good luck on your wife's tabien bahn.
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Sounds pretty interesting, they seem to have made it a lot easier, although I still believe there will be the long waiting period for processing... Might be the right time to take the bull by the horns. Let us know how it goes if you proceed Samran
for us the right time is pretty soon. I just have to get the documentation sorted.
Amongst other things, I need to get my wife onto a Yellow Tabieen Baan in the Ampur which I'm registered. We also have to get the Ampur to verify we are married, given that our marriage certificate is from Australia (either via a Dor Roh 2, 4 or 22, or just all of them!!). Given that I had to get my ID card there, it could potentially be a PITA to get these, but get them we will.
The rest of it I have, or know how to get easilty - ie miltary exemption (have..legally!!), tax returns, 4 witnesses to vouch for the marriage, daughters BC (important - you have to be married 3 years if no kids, 1 year if you have kids), lots of photos and the 5 baht applicaton fee (seriously).
The yellow tabien bahn was easier than I thought. It's yellow because it's considered temporary. To get mine, I had my passport certified by the embassy, then translated into Thai (and the same with our UK marriage certificate), then we went to the amper with my husband's blue tabien bahn, and my docs (and an immigration letter stating that I lived in Thailand) and got Thai marriage certs, then we got the yellow tabien bahn. Sorry if it's a bit vague, as I can't remember all details now, but a copy of info from the national police HQ on how to get the yellow tabien bahn made it all much quicker and easier.
I'm hoping that citizenship will be a similar process (in that it seems so complicated and impossible to get valid info for, but when you actually do it, it's a piece of cake)....
I wonder if my husband can just show a bank account with money in or show his land ownership papers, rather than prove earnings of B15k per month for the last year. He pays some kind of land tax, so I wonder if that can count towards my nationality app. Hey, another thing, he was arrested and paid a fine for gambling a few years ago (only for 5 baht coins!) do you think this could hold us back?
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Good job someone's Thai husband doesn't have a Thai bureaucracy phobia Thanks from us too
haha. Actually, in a previous life, I used to work for them, so I became accustomed.
In reality though, the guy down at the National Police HQ was incredibly helpful. He knew what all the documents were, and how to get them. And that is the thing with Thailand. I don't think most things are particularly hard, they just require alot of patience!
Once I've done it once however, I think I'll start charging 200K to put together an application? What do you say?
I'd pay you to do mine!
Thanks once again for the info. So, we need to get a personal income tax card for my husband (incidentally, I thought he was the only one who gets nervous about even the thought of Thai bureaucracy on the phone or otherwise. I get my co-teacher at school to do the phoning). Would he need to prove his minimum income or B15k per month? He doesn't even use a bank account for the orchard. Would he need 3 years' proof of earnings?
Sounds like we could apply asap then, as we've been married 6 years, but I've only been in Thailand for 3.
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Well done dbrenn.
Well done Dbrenn and Chatette and thanks to Chatette and Samran for being so helpful.
Thanks for all the useful information you've given us. I'm a British woman married to a Thai man, finally got my yellow house reg and haven't got PR. I teach here on a WP and Non-imm B visa. I want to apply for Thai citizenship and have no children. Does this mean I need PR or have different requirements to Chatette?
One of my student's Dad's is an immigration policeman, but still it's hard to get all the info I need. Everytime I think I'm clear, he tells me something different that I didn't think I needed! Another reason why other people's stories are so invaluable, as I've almost given up many times. Things I'm not clear on are:
1. How long do I need to have been married? (Been married for 6 years in UK, but "jot tabien" and got my yellow "tabien barn" in Thailand early this year. Thanks to info the national police gave me, the Amper did it without confusion.
2. How long do I need to have lived continuously here? (On work permits).
3. Does my husband need any proof of salary or tax payment? I can supply proof of 30K per month earnings and 3 years of tax payment here (plus money in the bank if needed), but he can't as he's a fruit farmer and doesn't even have an income tax card. However, he can prove ownership of land and car etc, as assets.
Thanks,
Janjane
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is the answer
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Just one more thing to add, the handsome men with money who are hetersexual and not cowards, are up themselves! Oh, I suppose they fit into the not so nice handsome men category. Yep, I think she's just about got it covered Mark!
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I think a "ngoo sing" is a rat snake. I've got a small green snake somewhere behind the toilet tank / under the toilet tank (can't see it, didn't see it, my husband did though). No idea what kind, every time I show my Thai husband a different picture, he says "that's it!" to everything! I need a pee, but am too scared to bare my behind to the toilet snake. Any ideas? Could it be a viper???? The only decent decription I can get is: just less than a metre long (probably exaggeration), width of a little finger and green.
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Couldn't help bringing down the tone of the forum by adding a few of my favourite phrases....
gam kee dee gwar gam dtot = a handful of shit is better than a handful of fart! Sorry, I'm too lazy to work out the spelling in Thai. In other words, it's better to have something than nothing.
hen chang kee, kee darm chang = see an elephant shit and try to shit like an elephant! In other words, trying to keep up with the Jones's.
yeeup kee gai, mai foo = tread on chicken shit and it doesn't spread. In other words, a person who does this is considered so useless that they can't even tread in shit properly.
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I have been told by Special Branch that the rule is five years continuous residence in Thailand, based on your name appearing on household registration. You must be on household registration to have PR, but can register yourself before PR is attained.
So, my understanding is that if you register yourself on a household registration on arrival, satisfy the requirements for and obtain PR after three years, then wait another two years, you can apply for citizenship (assuming you meet the other requirements such as language, etc.).
You can get on a house registration with ease ? Only ways without PR are owning a condo or having BOI investment privileges as I understand it
Exactly my question Dr Pat. I was at the Ampour about a month ago, and they are friendly and sympathetic, they know I paid for the land and the house, there response was not possible and can't think of a way to do it, gifts, no gifts nothing.
So this argument is almost seems like an etherial Catch-22, you can't get your name in the book until you have PR, but you can't get PR until your name is in the book.
I've recently been to the Thai Police HQ in Bangkok (Rama 1 Rd) and they say I can get on the house registration papers (yellow book) as I've been married for over 5 years to a Thai man. I need my passport certified by the British Embassy and translated into Thai then certified by MFA, Thai marriage cert, British marriage cert (also certified by British Embassy, translated into Thai and certified by MFA) husband's ID card and house papers. They then say I can apply for Thai citizenship after this (but I haven't been living here for 5 years yet) to my provincial police, but I then must go to provincial immigration and give up my British nationality. I think the main problem is that Amper offices outside Bangkok rarely know the procedures (my local Amper office has told me for 2 years that I cannot get on the house reg papers). However, I will believe I can if and when I finally see my name on the house reg papers!
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"Technically" is definitely the right answer. I have tried, and failed. Not because of any qualification limitations but because the provincial police are unaware that any of them can do the job! We went to apply, and noone knew how to do it! They just shook their heads, said "Not me!" and suggested we try Immigration (it must be done through the police). Will keep trying!
There is at least one TV member who does have citizenship (male) that I know of. Lots of requirements but, apparently, doable (if you live in Bangkok
)Its amusing how some people sound off without bothering to do the most basic and elementary research.You cannot apply to be a citizen without the necessary prerequisite of having had permanent residence for 10 years (though I believe this number may have been reviewed.)
Then, why Boris, do the national Thai police tell me that I can apply for Thai citizenship after simply having been married to a Thai man for over 5 years? (I have no PR, haven't lived in Thailand for 5 years and was married in the UK!). Where did you get this information? The Thai nationality act does not state the need for a PR.
Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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Hi and congrats to Thai citizens,
I'm the wife of a Thai man, attempting to apply for citizenship, but have come across 2 problems in my application:
1. The police in Trat seem unwilling to help. I could wait and try in Chanthaburi, but have no relatives in Bangkok to help me apply from there.
2. My husband is a farm owner with no official income. I'm the main supporter and have sufficient income tax history and WP, would this be sufficient? Or would money in a bank under my husband's name be sufficient? He does not even have a tax ID.
I would be grateful for any light you could shed on this matter. Thanks in advance.