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Two things now lodged in the our villager's brains. First forget small harvesters, too much mess with dirt and sticks picked up, and too high a loss rate. Two large harvesters did most of this area between them. producing a much cleaner paddy harvest. The second thing is, sell the crop straight off the harvester without moisture testing yielded better bottom line.
The two big guys both ran large tip trucks that took the "damp" rice to be weighed and returned with the money. Farmer then paid for the harvest services. Quick and easy.
From the weight/sale docket I saw, they were paying about 10.2 baht.
We used pickup trucks to move bulk rice we would keep. That was then dried on blue nets and bagged. In total about 120 bags.
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From a pond to rice paddy? Why not set up a syphon system from 4" plastic pipe?
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7 hours ago, farmerjo said:
Sounds like a good season for rice down your way
Time will tell. We definitely need more rain so far we have had just enough to keep the surface moist-ish!
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43 minutes ago, farmerjo said:
Hi IA
Don't know what the label says but the liquid inside is blue and has done a good job..
About to go a get a box full of seed before the rain comes to hedge my bet on using a desicate.
We got great weed treatment this year, no idea what it was, but still no weeds in the rice and no pre-emergent spray used.
Could have had something to do with me telling the BIL I would not be paying for urea this year at these prices to grow weeds before we started.
Also could be him realising how many weed seeds we have in last years crop when he got left to mill a few bags for the family.
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19 hours ago, farmerjo said:
Amazing Thailand,after delving deep at a few chemical suppliers i managed to get hold of certain chemical which has been rebranded.(a few will know what i mean)
Seems vaguely familiar label....... ???
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Of course it is possible, this is Thailand. For the farmer, the question is what is the volume of rice needed and the price paid. We grow Hom Mali 105 (jasmine) and mill our rice on farm for family use and for retail sale. Anyone that wants me to grow another type of rice has only got to ask and stump up for the costs.
Friends grow many different organic heritage types. Anything is possible if there is a market.
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On 4/9/2022 at 9:18 PM, kickstart said:
IA, this may be a wake-up call for rice farmers to do something about soil fertility ,what would it take to grow a rie or 2 of some sun hemp or mung beans ,keep the seed back and sow pre- or post-harvest as a green manure.
Water.........
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The Ukraine supplies 30% of global exported wheat normally. Currently some 80% of the last crop is still in farm storage with no way to get it out of their ports. Food storage is an immediate problem that needs to be addressed. With no income to fund the new crop, the future is bleak.
Here fertiliser will be limited by available finance. It has always been the same with poor farmers producing low yields. Average yield in our village has been as low as 200kg/rai. The best I have achieved was 550kg, this year we will probably be back with the pack.
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Just now, CLW said:
Never understood this rice growing thing for own use in Thailand.
I mean no one in Europe or the US is growing its own wheat or potatoes for a whole year supply, not to mention to grow for own use at all.
As you said several times, Thai farmers not keep numbers for their operation.
My guess would be that growing own rice is more expensive than buying the occasional big bag from Makro...
It is a difficult thing to understand from a western "put food on the table" responsibility, here Kin Khaow, literally eat rice.
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Just now, farmerjo said:
If the rice subsidy continues you should be ok.
No doubt the somchai contractors association would of heard on the grapevine everyone else is putting up prices.
The thing is the diesel price is stable for now.
On farm costs are the issue,seed,fertilizer and chemical prices.
I think for memory it cost me 8.5 baht/kilo to grow rice last year so still a lot less than shop prices but that did include the subsidy.
The days of making 50K in cash after all costs, and having a year of kitchen rice and next season seed are over. Now it is about producing as much rice as you need for a minimum cost.
I suppose it remains what it always has been, subsistence farming.
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Just now, farmerjo said:
Did a lot more tillage than normal this year with the early rains.
Deep ploughed,germination,offset disc,germination and final offset disc.
Worked out at 160 baht/rai for diesel
I suppose my guy will want more this year. Been 200/rai for plough, and again for rotary hoe. Time to do some numbers.
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Just now, farmerjo said:
Urea 46-0-0 came in at just over 1600 baht/bag.
WOW.... I had been praying for a miracle (government price control or Buddha). Likely to go higher as the season gets started?
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WOW, look at the telephone number on this thing! Laser cut! Shows just how far things have come in the last 15-20 years. When I started looking for implements "hand painted" or stencilled was the normal for the best. I am feeling so old.
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Hi KS, What sort of money for those units?
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3 hours ago, Postharvesting said:
Why farmers buy 2nd hand harvesters or balers?
isn’t buying new equipment convenient as they can get retail finance support?
is there any retail finance support for buying old equipment ?
Can I suggest you do some research on the recent development of Thai farming from a local farmer perspective? Start with the reality of a nation upended in 1997 by the economic crisis when everything stopped. A time when over 70% of Thai people were regarded as subsistence farmers who had no income and paid no tax.
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Interesting dialogue between you guys. I would suggest you bring this to the main Farming Forum to get a wider audience.
I have been interested in balers here for twenty years. The first to appear here in Isaan were very secondhand small square balers that were imported by the container load from places like Australia. At the time Australia was moving to large rounds and the old ones were scrap metal. Fifteen years ago I could buy a "rebuilt" baler here in Sisaket for about 50K baht. Some were rebuilt using only the baling segment onto pickup chassis and used as static units to load manually from straw piles from the threshers.
Currently the import tax laws have changed and secondhand implements are not favoured. Kubota assemble a category 1/2 baler here in Thailand which I believe will gain market share.
The main change here is the fact that the harvesters leave windrowed straw which makes baling the straw a simple task. But as with all things the farmer here has little money to pay subcontractors, so it is extremely price sensitive.
I have looked very closely at importing a baler to make small round bales. Plans on hold until the current global situation normalises.
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This PBS article makes a lot of sense to me.
https://www.thaipbsworld.com/whats-behind-the-steep-jump-in-pork-prices/
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Today was the first real run. I milled 3 bags of approx 40 kg of paddy and the harvester rubbish. The longest part was I had to run some through the screens 3 times to get all the grass, sticks and empty husks out. The actual milling step went really well.
From the 120Kg (approx):
52 Kg of rice - 32 kg clean unbroken rice, 13 kg of 50% broken , and 7kg of broken rice. The family wanted to dump the 50% in with the good stuff but it had a few seeds (smaller haystack to search).
57 Kg of rice bran, germ and husk. That has buyers already at 5 baht a kg. I might get a separate husker later but current thought is to use it as feed.
For the maths guys, the harvester contributed about 10 kg of extra cleaning. That is a fact of life here and I am pleased to be able to get clean unbroken rice at all. I hate picking out seeds.
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Well it has arrived and been setup. Run a half a bag of dry dirty rice through it. The first cleaning stage took the straw, empty husks etc out. It managed about 90% of the small seeds. A fair bit of broken rice which is to be expected in dry grains. More trials to figure it out but overall so far not bad, getting at least as good as the local millers are doing plus I get the broken rice and bran. Polish level looks OK.
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Well I have just purchased a 5 in 1 rice mill on the inter-webs. What a leap of faith!
Actually I have spent a <deleted> load of time looking at this issue. This machine allows you to preclean the paddy of junk via the multi screens before it goes through mill. The cyclone fan removes empty husk and straw. Smaller stones and other seeds removed by the screens.
Objective, mill nothing but paddy rice!
For those interested
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On 1/9/2022 at 11:53 AM, nycjoe said:
We plan to have and sell around 20 a month and have our own breeding pens. I will cut the amount of money coming from my pension to pay for the enterprise.
Can I ask if you have estimated the start up time and cost to achieve 20 market pigs target? Having been through this, I advise you to study how you will achieve this carefully. Happy to discuss.
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Going to be an interesting wet season this year. Urea prices, WOW... USD/ton
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3 hours ago, farmerjo said:
rice in on the same land they would get more than double the money
But real baht in the hand NOW will always win out. No risk, no effort, all profit.
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The Official Maize and Rotational Crops Thread
in Farming in Thailand Forum
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Depending on conditions (basically water level) either 700 or 800 baht/rai
More reservoir discharge than rain. But yes this year has seen paddies very wet. Little wind but very sloppy conditions which meant lot of lodging.
Times have changed. No real or iron buffalos ploughing any more. No DC60 bag filling machines let alone teams of hand cutters and thrashers mounted on clagged out light trucks. People here aren't traditional rice farmers any more, they are rice producers that minimise work and cost. The romance is disappearing