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This is now getting interesting with JJ claiming it was all a set up and the marines sticking to their story that it wasn't. Predictably the Thai government is overreacing and trying to get the broadcast stopped which will only make it more profitable for Bravo and Vera to continue and syndicate it too. They must be delighted.
I don't know how much boat repairs cost but the amounts of money JJ is asking for seem excessive, even if the damage is caused by the hirers. Comparing with car repairs, you can get multiple dents knocked out of a European car and replacement fibreglass bumpers plus a complete respray job using the manufacturer's paint for about 40,000 baht. Obviously a boat must be watertight but..... Where there is a genuine accident, which probably happens quite often JJ is probably marking up the cost 6 or 7 times - obviously a lot more profitable than the income from renting them out. If accidents are not happening often enough, then no doubt he can use the same damage several times over, particularly if the jet ski is already in the water when the customer takes it, so they don't see clearly what is below the water line. He probably deserves what he gets which probably won't be much, even though he was almost certainly set up. In one of the videos he is shouting a language to his staff that isn't Thai. Perhaps it was Burmese. Employing illegal Burmese boat boys in Phuket is another issue which the govt may well attempt to clean up at the same time and going through the motions of cleaning up scum like JJ.
Of course the marines are not going to admit it is not real... it would look pathetic if the paid fighting forces took part in a setup or staged event simply to get on camera which is what indirectly took place in my opinion. I think viewers need to be careful not to believe it is true simply because they are delighted with someone revealing some of the scams that take place. No doubt ripoffs take place but staging one and claiming it is not staged is another ripoff in the making.
I also find it somewhat disturbing to see some posters revel in what is really a very damaging portrayal of Thailand and its important tourist industry. We all know scams take place in Thailand and almost all developing countries. I myself feel it is safer and much less confrontational than say Mexico. But how many viewers will believe this after seeing this show?
I have a problem with producers who simply shoot a show for profit without thinking about how many people may be harmed in terms of jobs, income, etc. This show does a lot of good for a production company and network with an agenda for profit but little for the working people of Thailand and many here who operate businesses. This is really nothing short of exploitative journalism although journalism is really not the correct word.
Losworld, you've los the plot.
lol... not yet
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This could be very interesting. It may very well be Thaksin's last kick. I'm waiting to see what goes down before planning my trip. I hope all goes well and Thailand has a great high season but this would further weaken Thaksin's position.
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This is now getting interesting with JJ claiming it was all a set up and the marines sticking to their story that it wasn't. Predictably the Thai government is overreacing and trying to get the broadcast stopped which will only make it more profitable for Bravo and Vera to continue and syndicate it too. They must be delighted.
I don't know how much boat repairs cost but the amounts of money JJ is asking for seem excessive, even if the damage is caused by the hirers. Comparing with car repairs, you can get multiple dents knocked out of a European car and replacement fibreglass bumpers plus a complete respray job using the manufacturer's paint for about 40,000 baht. Obviously a boat must be watertight but..... Where there is a genuine accident, which probably happens quite often JJ is probably marking up the cost 6 or 7 times - obviously a lot more profitable than the income from renting them out. If accidents are not happening often enough, then no doubt he can use the same damage several times over, particularly if the jet ski is already in the water when the customer takes it, so they don't see clearly what is below the water line. He probably deserves what he gets which probably won't be much, even though he was almost certainly set up. In one of the videos he is shouting a language to his staff that isn't Thai. Perhaps it was Burmese. Employing illegal Burmese boat boys in Phuket is another issue which the govt may well attempt to clean up at the same time and going through the motions of cleaning up scum like JJ.
Of course the marines are not going to admit it is not real... it would look pathetic if the paid fighting forces took part in a setup or staged event simply to get on camera which is what indirectly took place in my opinion. I think viewers need to be careful not to believe it is true simply because they are delighted with someone revealing some of the scams that take place. No doubt ripoffs take place but staging one and claiming it is not staged is another ripoff in the making.
I also find it somewhat disturbing to see some posters revel in what is really a very damaging portrayal of Thailand and its important tourist industry. We all know scams take place in Thailand and almost all developing countries. I myself feel it is safer and much less confrontational than say Mexico. But how many viewers will believe this after seeing this show?
I have a problem with producers who simply shoot a show for profit without thinking about how many people may be harmed in terms of jobs, income, etc. This show does a lot of good for a production company and network with an agenda for profit but little for the working people of Thailand and many here who operate businesses. This is really nothing short of exploitative journalism although journalism is really not the correct word.
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OK. from the horses mouth this was a set up "corrections I am making to the scripts. "
So the producer admits there were scipts
The producer is a scumbag. As much as I dislike people like JJ, the whole thing was a set up and the producer did a runner and wouldnt face up to the fact he scripted it, JJ is in trouble that even his uncle probablly cant get him out of and the producer is covering his ass, job etc.
The Jetski incident definatley a set up, who would threaten someone on camera with a gun?
....the script is what the narrator says between and during each case on the actual program, not a script for the participants in each scene.
Don't understand what you are saying... scripted is simply "planned or devised" and are you saying this scen was not planned or devised... surely everyone is not so naive as to think this is merely someone showing up with a camera and catching them in the act?
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I'm confused as to why Thai officials allowed this Doc to be filmed in the first place!...did they think it was going to be all smiles and happy happy
holidays?...did they think it was a travel holiday show? Don't think they did there homework on the bravo channel and the type of programs they
produce.
Thailand is not going to gain anything from this,only more bad publicity.The only people who are going to benefit are bravo and the tourists will have
a "heads up" on what to look out for
Ok...they put a message across that if you do anything illegal your going to be punished....and that's a good thing!Its not only shown in the UK,i know the RoI,france,belgium,holland and maybe other countries receive Sky tv!, and the message most people are getting from this Doc and other recent events is stay away from Thailand!
I'm still curious to know how they did get the thumbs up and how they described the show to the Thai authorities. I also would like to know when the producer says no one was paid who participated as subjects is he knowingly including the "Thai fixer" in this statement? If he can do this show without paying anyone on camera in Thailand than we should get this miracle worker to find a cure for cancer and stop global warming.
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A red-riot in Bkk (and across the N/NE this time;) would spawn a re-coup attempt. But it likely wouldn't feature tourists taking photos with smiling soldiers, or teenage girls placing flowers on tanks like in 2006... Unfortunately, this time around there is high potential for Thaksin-friendly police and military factions to join in an uprising.
The 'fear' of Thailand enjoying increased economic upswings along with enjoying even a modest high season must be pressing now. This would be 'disastrous' for Mr Thaksin & Co... But hey, it's easily preventable, just create yet another chaos and PRESTO - goodbye tourists, goodbye high season, goodbye economic recovery ('problem' solved). Following the insanity of Yellow airport closures and Red-riots, another Songkran type upheaval splashed all over world news headlines would absolutely bury Thailand. Yet, this appears to be the 'plan' (which some here might actually welcome...)
Here's hoping Thailand is instead 'permitted' to enjoy a 'spate' of stability, along with even a modest high season and a return to economic growth (but don't count on it, unfortunately).
Excellent post.
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I just saw this shitty movie:
How can one believe, that this a not just a fantasy story.
The movie was made with many cameras from many different points of view. So when there is a scene, lets say about 3 minutes long, you can expect, they needed about some hours for the whole scene. So ,you have brakes in between of about - let say 20 minutes.
Even the jet-sky guy: I ve never met someone like him with this kind of job, so fluently speaking English, compared to the normal Thai guys he was speaking nearly sophisticated.
Many people really seem to watch too much TV and are absolutely unable to see the difference between reality and fiction.
Wake up ! Nearly everything you see on TV is fiction !
Only the pictures you see in news are real ! And also these pictures can give you a totally wrong impression
(I cant believe how big is this lack of competence ...)
SO EVERYTHING IN THIS MOVIE WAS STAGED !
I've been saying this all along but I am beginning to think many here with recent aliases since JUNE when this was shot may simply be here to defend and pump the show. If the Thais are smart they will reveal this for what it really is - a scripted production!!!
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Gavin Hill's response. Producer / Director.
Do not copy and paste the article as it is subject to copyright.
Well if this link doesn't tell one it is staged than I don't know what does. The producer talks about meeting JJ and following him around and JJ helping out with the production. He states he did not pay him. Well in most cases they do not pay but they entice them with the glory of being on tv, free drinks, afterparty, etc. And what producer/director would not put a few thoughts into the minds of their players as to what they are looking forward to seeing while spending time with them?
I do think Gavin gave an informative interview but was it motivated by providing info or responding to claims the scene may be fake.
I'm not saying that this type of extortion doesn't exist but I am saying that this scene was certainly planned to an extent and definitely coached.
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LosWorld and Travel2003,
You are way off the mark, think about this logically for a second.
If they had paid JJ to act out the scene with the soldiers, that would mean that the Soldiers must have been paid as well or are you suggesting the Producer told JJ to threaten soldiers from his own country with a firearm and scam them out of thousands of Baht. Would UK Soldiers be prepared to be part of the scene even if they were told they would be paid money to do it. This would land them in serious trouble and would probably lead them to be expelled from the force. Would they risk their careers for a show broadcast on a small sattelite TV station on UK.....I don't think so.
And to suggest that my case with the drunk Aussie was set up in any way is laughable. I helped the guy and found a telephone number in his phone under the name of "Dad". I called the number and his dad came down to get him.
This is a reality TV show, showing the REAL Thailand. I guess some on here and on other forums donlt really want the world to see what REALLY goes on here. I understand that in a way, especially if you live here, but this program has already lead to an "arrest" of a Jet Ski scammer in Phuket. That can only be a good thing. It will help tourists and expats understand what really happens here and may even prevent such things happening to them.
I know this first episode has created such a stir, but remember there are 7 more to come. Maybe you should reserve some of your judgment on the show and those appearing in it until you you have seen future episodes.
First of all you are defending a show you participated in and that is completely understandable from a motivation standpoint. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on your scenes and I do believe those were not created. I think you did handle yourself and the situation very well.
However, yes I do believe the jet ski scene was scripted. You have to understand that in the reality game not everything is straight forward so the troops would not have been paid off however the guy paying the 30k baht may very well have been refunded by the production company and a big event/party may have occurred for participants. You don't think it is odd that no one called the police? That a soldier just hands over 35,000 baht just like that. And who carries a gun and never points it if they mean it?
There is no question in my mind that this was a scripted segment set up. Not all the lines but maybe "hey do you soldiers want to have some fun and get on television"? This hardly sounds like a payoff but a very probable way of getting actors. I think it will come out soon enough.
I also note a few "new posters" on this board who seem to be pumping the show.
But the Police DID arrive, however that segment was not included in the program for reasons that I am not willing to explain here and for reasons that may mean my post may have to be deleted if I told you what happened next.....figure this one out for yourselves...sorry!
Okay then explain to me the following:
1) how did the camera crew wind up filming this "altercation" as it developed? They were there in the early stages. Why would anyone threatening a falang allow a group of falangs to walk around unattended to such as this camera crew did? Why would anyone in their right mind allow a real event that is incriminating to be filmed? Are we to believe JJ is this dumb or is he merely participating in an act on camera?
2) how did he get a message sent to his marine buddies without any objection from the "gun toting" Thai
3) how come the rifle was never aimed or pointed and then simply not even used later on?
4) where were the police?
5) why would the tapes not be confiscated by the Thais?
and a few more things but let's see how you respond to these. As mentioned I have friends in the biz and there is no such thing as "reality" programming unless it's a live news crew on an event. Everyone is coached or it is scripted and many times with paid actors.
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I don't believe it was scripted for one minute, I think someone is just trying to wind you up, don't bite.
Like this scene was scrptied as well
Great show looking forward to part 2 just a bit annoying with my internet speed it takes forever to download just 10 minutes on youtube
Of course they will arrest him they are under pressure from everyone who thinks it is true. Wait until they find out its not true and scripted and JJ will be off. Just watch. If this is the case no more shooting of series in Thailand.
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LosWorld and Travel2003,
You are way off the mark, think about this logically for a second.
If they had paid JJ to act out the scene with the soldiers, that would mean that the Soldiers must have been paid as well or are you suggesting the Producer told JJ to threaten soldiers from his own country with a firearm and scam them out of thousands of Baht. Would UK Soldiers be prepared to be part of the scene even if they were told they would be paid money to do it. This would land them in serious trouble and would probably lead them to be expelled from the force. Would they risk their careers for a show broadcast on a small sattelite TV station on UK.....I don't think so.
And to suggest that my case with the drunk Aussie was set up in any way is laughable. I helped the guy and found a telephone number in his phone under the name of "Dad". I called the number and his dad came down to get him.
This is a reality TV show, showing the REAL Thailand. I guess some on here and on other forums donlt really want the world to see what REALLY goes on here. I understand that in a way, especially if you live here, but this program has already lead to an "arrest" of a Jet Ski scammer in Phuket. That can only be a good thing. It will help tourists and expats understand what really happens here and may even prevent such things happening to them.
I know this first episode has created such a stir, but remember there are 7 more to come. Maybe you should reserve some of your judgment on the show and those appearing in it until you you have seen future episodes.
First of all you are defending a show you participated in and that is completely understandable from a motivation standpoint. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on your scenes and I do believe those were not created. I think you did handle yourself and the situation very well.
However, yes I do believe the jet ski scene was scripted. You have to understand that in the reality game not everything is straight forward so the troops would not have been paid off however the guy paying the 30k baht may very well have been refunded by the production company and a big event/party may have occurred for participants. You don't think it is odd that no one called the police? That a soldier just hands over 35,000 baht just like that. And who carries a gun and never points it if they mean it?
There is no question in my mind that this was a scripted segment set up. Not all the lines but maybe "hey do you soldiers want to have some fun and get on television"? This hardly sounds like a payoff but a very probable way of getting actors. I think it will come out soon enough.
I also note a few "new posters" on this board who seem to be pumping the show.
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I have to comment that the scene with the girl charged with Marijuana possession in partly fixed as well in my opinion. I think she was arrested and the boyfriend was coached to go along with the "we have no money and you are going to jail". We're talking a couple thousand dollars and no calls are made overseas? The guy can't scrape up the money?
The producers probably told him they would eventually pay for the release but he has to go along with pretending he has no money. This show is really such a bunch of bullshit.
I did like the scene with the drunken guy but I'm starting to wonder about that one too. The dialing the random number on the phone seemed a bit odd and contrived. Then the father arrives from around the corner.
Interestingly no one is showing their faces. Why is this? Watch any cops episode and they all show their faces. Is it because we have paid actors?
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I was just chatting with a friend who lives in Patong who has a few Kathu Station police friends. According to a cop friend of his who is on duty today, JJ has just been talking with the police. Supposedly JJ has stated that the incident was not real and that he was only paid for acting. ie... it was a set-up. Can anyone else in Patong station area verify this?
Anyone with half a brain can see it was scripted. I was laughing my ass off with the corny "I am not lady boy... I am not lady... I am Thai man" crap that one of the producers must have written for him.
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The boatyard scene was obviously set up. Supposedly the Marine in trouble managed to get out a text calling for his mates. How did they and the military policeman manage to locate the boatyard out the back of Patong never having been there before and probably never to Patong before from a simple text then? ...and would you really shake hands with someone after a bust up like that!!?? I'm sure halfway through it you can see JJ give a little smile as if to say "I'm doing alright for the camera".
Thank god a few others are noticing this scene is completely setup. Additionally, I think these guys may get tourists for a few thousand baht in damages but where does 40,000 baht come from. I won't even begin to fully dissect why this is not real. However, I have to shake my head at all the gullible ones here thinking it is real. REALITY TV is generally scripted.
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Out of sight... out of mind... and make sure to tip the cleaning staff and build up a friendly relationship. I used to slide my laptop into my luggage beneath a few clothes. It's not only losing an expensive machine that can worry one but many files, etc.
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<deleted> hilarious... not denying the bribe but rather denies the claim because "they don't have that much money".
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Anyone else out there a 007 besides me?
..moi here……Agent 99 reporting
I won three straight Lamont Cranston Awards for Shadowing, have you won anything?
Agent 99 report immediately to the office for a de"brief"ing. I need to show you a new device and how to hide it.
No need I've seen it,
and no one will suspect anything that small... if you just ZIP UP the case.
Yes a guitar case would be the appropriate size.
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An interesting post on another forum from a motorcyclist who was also stopped:
He spoke in Thai to the policeman; 'that he was not a tourist and had lived in Thailand for 16 years.'
The policeman immediately let him drive on without further ado.
Stayed in Jomtien before probably a total of 3 months combined on previous visits. Always rented a Nouvo and only was stopped once. My gfiend at the time was on the back of the bike without a helmet. Pulled up to a light on 2nd and north Pattaya road. Cop on the corner pulled us over and gave me a 400 baht fine (the driver not passenger not that I wouldn't have paid it anyway). And to top it off he kept asking for my friend's phone number.
If these were large fines I'd be pissed even if I was in the wrong not having her wear a helmet - although other Thais flew by with no helmets. I received a red light ticket in Culver City last year for $400 dollars u.s. or approx 12,000 baht so 400 every now and then does not seem so bad. It all goes to the same place anyway - paying for police services.
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I guess your husband is a pussy magnet.
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Ahhh but tigs, i think you are one of those rare breeds (not of Irish men, of men in general!).
Apparently many many women find a pygmy man quite attractive. As one woman commented: "three feet high and great for slow dancing and if you are lucky you can find one with no teeth and a flat head to put your drink on". This was on Rational Geographic Channel.
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Any dentist recommended in Pattaya? Have to get minor gum work, any experience with local dentists, thank you very much.
No there is a brilliant dentist at the International Hospital in Pattaya (the one heading north before the roundabout). I wish I could remember his name but he's been there for awhile. Best one I have seen including Thailand, U.S. and Canada. He pushed the needle in so slowly I did not even notice it. Brilliant.
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Mooncake - don't hesitate to show yourself modeling some of your outfits so we can comment on how they look on you
lol...Is that some kind of double meaning, 007?
Ok then…u can join in
Feel free to paste a topless pics of yourself ….as we sisters here like THAT STYLE too……err on men that is
C'mon wat say u
I would be happy to but I am unable to give away any part of my identity as 007.
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To me Thais seems to have little concept of sexualising children being a bad thing.. I have seen very normal Thais, not connected to bar work slap h0oker level makeup on under 10 year old girls.. Seen them dress children up with heels and hot pants.. Even seen parents clapping and cheering on a child who was doing bump and grind pole dance style dancing.. Parental encouragement of slutty child behavior !! I remember a Thai parent, having plastered another young girl (12 or 13 at a guess) in HEAVY makeup and OTT clothing, like playing dress up with gogo barbie, making a fuss of the child and saying "ohh look at her, isnt she sexy" not isnt she pretty, or isnt she lovely, isnt she SEXY !! No 12 year old children are not and should not be 'sexy' !! ever !! case closed.
In fact I even remember a Thai TV show, one of the talent type shows, where this little girl came out.. maybe 10 maybe 12.. Prebuescent anyway.. They had the child plastered in makeup and wearing a burlesque type outfit with the feathered headress and bikini like the caricature of a Vegas showgirl.. The music started and the child was singing and then changed to (and I kid you not) 'I like to move it move it' and the child then starts 'tit pumping' and ass pumping and dancing in a crude way on daytime Thai TV.. Thats appropriate viewing here I guess.
I don't know I've never seen anything like that in Tland and hope I never do. It could be a Thai unfamiliar with the words sexy and thinking it is pretty or not knowing exactly what she is communicating?
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Babuhavas,
hmm...U should get together with Ian, u2 might balance each other out
sbk
Thxs for the bonding words ja
But U can't come in here without the PIC!!!!.......show& tell time HellOoooo ...
Mooncake - don't hesitate to show yourself modeling some of your outfits so we can comment on how they look on you
British Man And Wife Attacked By Fighting Gang In Pattaya
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Don't need a car... simply turn the bike around... you'd think if he couldn't make his way through he might simply turn around and head the other way... the gang was on foot correct?