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2 hours ago, stephenterry said:
You are being stupid. For buddha's sake, get up to speed.
do explain
If you have received some sort of guarantee about agent use in 12 months well bully for you - like I said, they might take your money now and might even guarantee your next extension in 12 months - good luck with that
I can see it now - arriving at your agent in 12 months passport in hand, need to renew - no can do solly………………...what then lol
you will have an extension you got 12 months ago that didn't meet the requirements i.e post 400k seasoning for 9 months and post 800k 3 months
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4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
Things only get harder in Thailand
Don't agree
The compromise I suggested above in bold would be easy to maintain and satisfies all eventualities - 800k yearly - 400k 12 month seasoning and yearly transfers from outside Thailand - it is exactly what I was doing before the new rules and easily workable and easy to check
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14 minutes ago, Thailand said:
Not quite on subject but speaking to a senior Bangkok Bank official this morning they are expecting to see "changes" to the "new" immigration requirements in the not too distant future because of the huge problems being caused to the banking system of all Thai banks trying to meet with the "grey/gray" immigration requirements. Rather vague but it is certainly a major bone of contention as far as the banks are concerned.
Don't shoot the messenger, simply what I was told. Could even be for the worse, nothing surprises anymore.
It would not surprise me if they scrapped the new seasoning rules and reverted back to the old ones as they make no sense at all or just keep the minimum balance of 400k for all extensions and dump everything else
as for the monthly deposits - perhaps a total yearly of 400k transfer into Thailand would make more sense and maintain minimum balance of 400k 12 months a year meaning you are hitting 800k every year and maintaining a balance, this satisfies all requirements - even combo - simple - this would be my choice
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IMO using an agent for your next renewal will leave you in the same position as the OP - you have broken the rules and your next renewal will be rejected - further penalties unknown
An agent right now will take your money - will they guarantee your next renewal when you have obviously broken the rules ? they might tell you "no problem" as you hand them 20k baht - no risk to them
That is the big question that nobody can answer right now
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28 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:
Is it possible to simply apply for a new 1-year visa instead of renewing and going through all of the nonsense about year-round money in the bank
You are assuming the only penalty for non compliance of the new rules will be having to start from scratch - I doubt it, I think more likely a ban for 1-3 years which is why using an agent could be very risky for upcoming renewals - nobody knows what the penalties will be
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4 hours ago, Leaver said:
What I can't see, is anything being done to shut down the agents, because if that was what the new laws were designed to do, then it would have happened already, but they are still plying their trade.
the agents might take your money now (why not) and get you a 12 month extension - but these new rules are applied "post" extension - the 3 month 800k after and the (at least) 400k minimum for 12 months - lets see where you are at in 12 months time when you try to renew again - your agent might say - no can do, and as we don't know what penalties will be applied - maybe a 3 year ban - what then ?
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4 hours ago, Leaver said:
There are several accounts on TV of prices from 20k to 30k
That is generally for people who do not meet the current rules and are bypassing them with bribes, an example would be not having the funds in the bank or the 65k a month transfers
Since the OP does in fact meet the "new" requirements he can still use an agent (as many do) for about 4k baht simply to avoid doing the application themselves
I find it quite shocking that a major IO such as CM do not know or understand the now implemented (since 1st March) new laws, maybe a call to the Immigration help/complaints line to report this might be a good idea
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they just can't finish, they need an effective front 4 that can score goals
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16 hours ago, stevenl said:
Nonsense, as long as the affidavit states that the income has been verified. That is exactly the reason this issue started, embassies not verifying and now claiming they can't verify.
I wouldn't like to bet on it, not sure you would either
as a few people have said already on this thread - make sure you have a plan B
I personally believe Thai Immigration has lost its way recently - I cannot see any justification for these recent rule changes - they achieve absolutely nothing and make no sense, the reason they gave was an effort to wipe out bribes to IO's for ignoring the seasoning rules through applications from agents - has it worked ?, if anything it seems agent use has increased and the bribes have increased - perhaps this was the real motive but I honestly doubt it.
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7 hours ago, jacko45k said:
We were being lectured and talked down to.
seemingly by the forum idiot
I wonder does this very sheltered condescending individual ever actually interact with the people he is insulting - I think unlikely
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16 minutes ago, glegolo said:
the only change there is, is the change that hit you guys in usa uk and austyraliua the rest of us are good and our lives can go on..
glegolo
wasn't the OP just as confident up until yesterday
Just because your embassy issues these letters doesn't mean Thai Immigration will accept them - I warned of this months ago
If I was you (and others) I would make sure to have the correctly seasoned 800k or have 65k monthly transfers to show - if you think an embassy letter will help - go for it
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21 hours ago, glegolo said:
jim grant you are out of depth now my friend. we swedes are much more modern and educated then most of you americans. so to correct you. we come to our embassy, we do not fill in a shit.. we hand over the govermental document stating previous income, give it to the personal, pay them 400 baht, and voila 10 minutes later we have in our hand a nice document, issued by our grandios and nice embassy... beat that if you can mr envy...
glegolo
and when was the last time you did this and how confident are you it is going to work for you next time
I wouldn't be so confident after reading this thread
Just saying
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4 hours ago, swoods58 said:
That's how Australia has done it for years. Only a few countries actually asked for proof.
and everyone assumes that these letters will still be accepted from embassies that still issue them - this thread seems to say otherwise, and just because it has not been posted on TVF doesn't mean that others have already been refused
Maybe the UK and US embassies did their people a favour by stopping the issuance of these letters as it gave people a chance to comply in other ways - the OP thought all was well until yesterday - maybe a heads up for others
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3 hours ago, likerdup1 said:
Report back from Chonburi immigration.
I asked the male IO who processed my 1st extension of stay for a requirements sheet. He copied and old one and handed it to me. I was surprised he took the time to do that as he looked quite busy with stacks of paper work in front of him. The info sheet was the old one which said money must be in deposit "3 months" prior to application. I went back and asked him and he said .. not 3 months new rule now. -- 2 months "seasoning" for 2nd extension. So as I am fairly certain that on 2nd extension and any extension after that AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME money on deposit in a Thai bank for 2 months is sufficient to for the retirement visa extension of stay.
I think I will probably elect to go the easy route and deposit a bit above the dollar equivalent of 800k in my dollar account with my Thai bank.
thanks for taking the time to ask the questions and share on here
just to clarify - I also use an FCD account for extensions and never had an issue in the past, I assume you clarified this also
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1 hour ago, scotinsiam said:
What I was told before in Jomtein office was that I only needed the original TM30 done by my landlord when I first rented my condo. I travel a lot in and out but do not need to do a TM30 again unless I change my address.
Sent from my FLA-LX2 using Thaivisa Connect mobile app
I always used my Thai driving licence when getting my extension renewed - your address is on it.
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You have to ask why people are having to do this BS, the explanation was originally given "it was intended to stop people using agents to bypass the rules" well from what I can gather agent use is still in full swing and if anything has increased so what is the point of it ?, those that have been doing their extensions legally for years are having to jump through hoops "FOR WHAT"
I wouldn't actually mind if it did in fact change something - but nothing has changed
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good game - I think we had the edge which is rare recently
still very weak front 5, goal scoring is severity absent
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36 minutes ago, jacko45k said:
You think an official Thai government agency does not already operate this way accepting and processing documents from agents? Really?
You were suggesting that you thought the official legitimate route would no longer exist in 12 months - I was simply pointing out how idiotic that was
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49 minutes ago, jacko45k said:
The way things are I am not even sure the non-agent route will be there in 12 month time. If I was to bet on it, I think the agent route is more likely!
So you think an official Thai government agency is going to operate unofficially - really ?
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39 minutes ago, jacko45k said:
The different ball game is already in progress, new regulations just as bypass-able as the old ones. There has been no mention of an Extension ban.
If that is what you believe then Up to You
and as for extension ban or any such penalties for non conformance to the rules - anything is possible which was exactly my point - could depend on how much money you are willing to part with which puts everyone at the mercy of immigration if you fail to comply - it is all grey and shouldn't be, Immigration is a National Agency and should not be operating in such an unprofessional manner, everyone dealing with them should be very clear what the law is and the penalties for non compliance
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10 hours ago, Thailand Outcast said:
I'll see how the agents are going before I make my final decision.
you won't know if the agent route is certain for 12 months when people start to renew extensions they got through an agent - like I keep saying - they will take your money now (why not) but have they given a guarantee for your next extension in 12 months were immigration can clearly see from your bank passbook that you did not keep a balance of 800k for 3 months after your last approval and 400k minimum for 12 months - they will have you over a barrel
This is now a completely different ball game - agents bribed to bypass the 3 months seasoning which was simple enough and had no effect on you next renewal - now we have effectively 12 month seasoning and nobody knows the penalties for non compliance - what if it was a 5 year ban from getting further extensions
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24 minutes ago, John Hanon said:
Thank you. As you say, the border hop every 3 months could be tiring... i am 73 years old
Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connectso just to clarify
Did you get an income letter from your embassy to support your application
and if so
is she rejecting the letter
and if so
on what grounds - did she ask for further proof of income from home that you could not provide ?
If you have complied with the rules then I think you would be justified in using the help line in a tactical pleasant way perhaps using the approach that you don't understand something
hope you get things sorted for you
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23 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:
Zinchenko isn't really a LB
does he wear lipstick and a dress
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800,000 in account after extension. Start date?
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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sorry my friend but "your legal options" if I am understanding you correctly - are not legal at all, you have been paying an agent who in turn bribes an IO to ignore the seasoning rules - Let me make it clear that everyone to their own - I have no issue with people paying bribes to skirt the law...up to them
If you believe your agent will be able to skirt the new rules which are entirely different than the previous then up to you - I personally don't have issue with you or anyone else taking that route, I am simply pointing out that it will be too late in 12 months time to do much about it if your trusty agent says - solly cannot do
I personally don't use agents to bribe my way to get an extension approved, I hope in 12 months time it works out ok for you