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You will be fine, even during the sonkrang riots of last year, you were perfectly safe as long as you were not actually at the riots.
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how many people are required to be classified as a riot ? if it's not too many, can't we just hire 1,000 motorbike drivers slap on a couple of red shirts on them and collect the 10,000 usd ? 3k per person to get 300k baht, that's a 10000% return on investment, sounds like a winner to me.
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can't comment on 17yrs olds, but my 13 year old daughter goes to a regular thai school over on thong lor and she's on holiday already.
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I'll give a donation to poor khun thaksin, only question though can it be in origami birds ? i still have a ton left from 2004, they're a bit miffy but still very nice!
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you are correct they charge 0.25% of the transfer but 500 baht is the max they charge, i thought it was 600 for some reason, oh well my mistake.
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To be honest the banking fees in Thailand are pretty low at least compared to Holland and the US. The only 2 real strange fees are the 150baht foreign atm card fee and the 600 baht incoming foreign T/T fee.
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That's picking the fly poo out of the pepper. Peanuts in the scheme of things. Did Thai Bank earn interest rate on the loan or did Burma default? Did it help communications in the Region? I don't know enough about Thaksin to like or dislike him politically but from a business viewpoint the government facilitating a loan is hardly a reason to confiscate half of a family's wealth. This appears to be a family who got richer with the market because they were already rich and risked their money in a business to earn a reasonable return on their investment which they did but at no more than most of the rest of the market at the time.
So all the points outlined in the recently ended court case which clearly outline abuse of power concerning shin corp is null and valid because other companies did just as well or better in the stock market ?
Shin corps share performance is based on it's financial performance as measured in it's yearly and quarterly financial reports (plus some other factors of course but for the most part it is) in these reports the cash flow and profit enhancements created by the corruption of thaksin is already stated. Without these enhancement the stock performance of shin corp would have been much worse. The only only thing we can conclude is that shin corp was badly run compared to it's rivals and the only reason it share price did not suffer is because of the couple of billion dollars added to the balance sheet by the actions of Thaksin.
As for the argument that his family owned the shares but not him; one can be under no illusion that while technically he did not own the shares, he still retained control over them through his children which in and by it's self creates a conflict of interest. If he would have sold his shares for fair market price to his children the story might have been different but that is not the case also selling to a third party would have done the job too.
so he had a controlling interest in Shin corp. through is wife and children (who paid no money for the shares that they controlled) and he added billions of dollars to the balance sheet of Shin corp in the 5 years in power. If this is not conflict or interest and corruption then i don't know what is.
His fatal mistake is that he got too greedy and tried to cash out while he was still PM, he should have waited a few more years till the end of his second term and done it then. Of course one could argue that he knew shin corp was being badly run and that share price would collapse (as it has, mostly due to vastly overpaying for it's 3g license) and therefore was very happy temasek came alone to buy him out at the top.
Edit: spelling mistakes
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^ they did have "their shot" back in April of last year when they ran amok in Bangkok, trying to blow up king power (unsuccessfully) and using burning buses as unguided missiles. so if you follow the tit-for-tat rule, it's the yellows turn to disrupt the country again
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Why don't all of you Thaksin bashers educate yourself before you post here - it is really getting boring reading all those replies without the posters even bothering to find out what really happened.
Thaksins entire defense is publicly posted for evereyone to read on his website www.thaksinlive.com - if you read it you can then discuss the FACTS - and not rumors and the propaganda of his enemies.
You can also read his life story there and then you will understand why the poor Thais love him - because he and his family had to struggle to survive as millions of Thais do today.
Read the story of a little boy who got up every morning at 5 to help his parents sell coffee and clothes before going to school - and compare him to his enemies who have mostly been born stinking rich by stealing from the Thai people for hundreds of years.
If you read his story you will understand why he was making money available through village funds and you will understand his other populist policies - because he knows first hand that if you are poor in Thailand you get nothing!
Read it and then you can make up your mind and comment here. Read a certain Duncan McCargo document on the Thai elite on google and then comment here if you like.
Read and if you agree with me please pass on the information to others so we can all make an open minded informed decission.
This is the age of the internet you can get real infomation out there not the news the anti democratic propaganda machine has churned out for the last 50 years in this country!
i know this is a flamebait, but none the less i will hazard a reply.
First of all the website you provide is a propaganda site and therefore inherently contains hardly any factual information at all.
Thaksin did NOT come from a poor family, his farther owned serveral businesses and was an MP, they might not have been a rich as they are now, but they were definitely well to do.
This kind of mutes the nice little ancedote about getting up at 5 to help his poor family before going to school.
Populist policies of giving money to the poor are just that, populist and nothing more, a politician uses them to become popular and for no other reason.
while it is true that the poor in thailand have always been used and abused, just because you give them a proverbial bone does not make you a saint. If that were the case then a certain man by the name of pablo escobar would have to be one too. Pablo the most infamous drug kingpin in history who started the current nacro terrorism policy "plata o plomo" (silver or bullets) donated vast sums of money to the poor as well but he can hardly considered a saint.
Most of the people here that are anti-thaksin are not anti-poor, i'm sure we would all like to help them as much as we can, just because we hate the man does not mean we hate the poor. Besides IHMO thaksin was just using the plight of the poor for the glory of himself, which might actually be worse than what the "elites"do.
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What possible significant new evidence could they have that they did not have before ? Maybe they will go for the evil twin brother defense;
"Your honour, we the defense would like to submit new evidence to the court, we have reason to believe that it was not our client who committed these act but it was his evil twin brother spongebob squarehead"
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Thaksin complaining about "mean politics" is one of the greatest ironies ever, that guy was the embodiment of "mean politics". He was abrasive, stubborn, jealous, vindictive and bullied everyone and everything in his path while he was the PM.
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The UDD leaders announced that their supporters nationwide will rally in Bangkok beginning March 12, claiming that one million persons will the protest at Sanam Luang on the morning of March 14 to oust the Abhisit Vejjajiva government from office.
I'm betting that this rally will never happen, it's been postponed from march 1st to the 12th and probably will be postponed once again and then cancelled. In my honest opinion the red shirt have less than 10,000 followers left and the leadership deep down knows that, but they just can't really admit it to themselves. All this talk about million man marches and bringing down the goverment in 7 days is just them having drunk too much of their own kool-aid.
The media should help the red shirts accept the fact that they backed the wrong corrupt horse and move on by just not paying attention to the last remaining vestiges of this once powerful movement.
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I'm always saddened to hear that even in 2010 and with the advent of perfectly working ED drugs like viagra, there are still people that find it neccesary to slaughter innocent endangered animals purely for a small part of their anatomy to enhance their sex drive. More should be done to stop this practice unfortunately voters don't care about things like this so law enforcement just doesn't really do much about it.
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At a glance, drug trafficking is a non-violent crime. A VERY quick glance, that is.
However, it is one of the MOST violent crimes in the world. The lives that were lost just to get ANY drug to market is staggering. Drug possession and distribution IS violent. Does anyone think these drugs arent saturated with blood? Getting 100 kilos through to retail isnt like shipping a bale of cotton or a load of rice. Or, maybe it is just that easy, albeit with the loss of many lives.
When you speak of true cost, you are also speaking of the cost beyond the homes of drug users. Some users buy the drugs through criminal activities like prostitution, gambling, robbery and murder. (Sounds like Pattaya, ahem
) You are also speaking of kidnapping, terrorism, degradation of the environment, and other problems particularly in countries like Columbia. Putting it simply, distribution not only destroys your life: it also destroys somebody else's lives.You'll actually find that gang violence is a function of drug prohibition and not the actual drugs, take away the criminal gangs endless pot of gold and there will be no reason for all the violence. i know it's easy to blame it on the drugs but unfortunately it's just not true. Open and easy to get drugs like alcohol and tobacco don't have this violence attached to them yet they are of equal potential to do harm to the individual and their illegal counter parts.
While i'm not suggesting that drug related violence will completely stop, because let's face it there are a whole bunch of people out there that have very violent tendencies and drugs especially (alcohol in my own personal experience) enhance these innate tendencies, at least the violence associated with the production and distribution will stop.
I'm just happy that slowly but surely there are more and more reasonable and sane people in the western governments looking into drug policy reform, so hopefully at some point in time we can stop the bloodshed and truely try to minimize the harm that drugs can cause to a society.
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There are no true package deals available like in europe, the closest thing you have here is the "all together bonus" from True. Having a true move mobile account will entitle you for a for some kind of bonus (free wifi i believe, but it could have changed). Have a look on the website True they will have the info there. they also have a similar deal with the cable package, a truevisions gold or platinum subscription gets you a speed upgrade on your internet.
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I always knew twitter was evil
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With out some violence nothing will change.
Something out of the archives
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/viewA...s-1973-10-16-01
Without violence things can change aswell:
1974 - The Carnation Revolution in Portugal.
1986 - The People Power (Yellow) Revolution in the Philippines, where the term people power was coined.
1989 - The Velvet Revolution - the bloodless revolution in Czechoslovakia leading to the downfall of the communist government there.
2003 - The Rose Revolution in Georgia, following the disputed Georgia legislative election, 2003, led to the overthrow of Eduard Shevardnadze and his replacement by Mikhail Saakashvili after new elections were held in March 2004. The Rose Revolution was supported by the civic resistance movement, Kmara.
2004 - The Orange Revolution in Ukraine, followed the disputed second round of the 2004 presidential election and led to the annulment of the result and the repeat of the round— the leader of the opposition Viktor Yushchenko was declared President, defeating Viktor Yanukovych. The Orange Revolution was supported by Pora.
If the Philippines can do it, the thais can do it as well
These examples were taking from Here
Well you are right of course peaceful is always better!
Thailand seems to have some pretty bad ass history though.
yup the thai military and police don't pussy foot about when it comes to threats to their grip on power
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Erm Philippine and Thailand is different though...
You know what I'm talking about.
Point taken
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You muppets realize that over 19 PAD Leaders had warrents filed for the airport and GH occupation, and they showed up to hear the charges against them about 2 weeks ago?
They showed up to "hear the charges" 2 weeks ago, for actions that they took nearly 6 months ago? While UDD leaders heard their charges yesterday and according to BangkokPost are being held at an army base, while PAD are nowhere near a prison, let alone an army base? What is the army doing anyways holding the UDD leaders? Isn't it the job of the police? Unless Thailand is ruled by the military of course, oops...did I just say that?
3 things,
1. PAD leader have been arrested before for example on Oct. 5th 2008 Chamlong Srimuang, the top leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy was arrested after voting in the contest for governor of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA)* Paraphrased from MCOT.
2. PAD never rioted in the streets nor tried to attack the PM or incited other people to attack the PM, the reds did and therefor they got arrested.
3. The police in thailand are a bunch of bungling fools that are incapable of doing anything than ask for bribes, during the SOE the army is in control and they work a bit faster.
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With out some violence nothing will change.
Something out of the archives
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/viewA...s-1973-10-16-01
Without violence things can change aswell:
1974 - The Carnation Revolution in Portugal.
1986 - The People Power (Yellow) Revolution in the Philippines, where the term people power was coined.
1989 - The Velvet Revolution - the bloodless revolution in Czechoslovakia leading to the downfall of the communist government there.
2003 - The Rose Revolution in Georgia, following the disputed Georgia legislative election, 2003, led to the overthrow of Eduard Shevardnadze and his replacement by Mikhail Saakashvili after new elections were held in March 2004. The Rose Revolution was supported by the civic resistance movement, Kmara.
2004 - The Orange Revolution in Ukraine, followed the disputed second round of the 2004 presidential election and led to the annulment of the result and the repeat of the round— the leader of the opposition Viktor Yushchenko was declared President, defeating Viktor Yanukovych. The Orange Revolution was supported by Pora.
If the Philippines can do it, the thais can do it as well
These examples were taking from Here
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Lol. I love the bleedin' heart brigade. It's alright for the muslims to kill anyone they want (including their own side) but <deleted> me, dare anyone stand up to the f*ckers and sheesh "it's save the muslims" why don't you give $10 to the cause or go out and by a copy of the Qur'an and keep it under your pillow.
I watched a interview on Aljazeera with one of the head honchos who was living in Malaysia, he said that he would have anyone (from the south) killed if they did not back the fight.
Will you stop acting like a load of bleedin' hearts. These guys kill people, they don't give a sh1t who they kill, they don't want peace they want a seperation from thailand and have their own muslim state, with muslim law.
And I've had to put up with the crazy sh1t muslims talk most of my life because I am arab and NOT a muslim, never will be and never want to be.
The truth the typical fantatical muslim nutter hates with a vengence any non muslim, wants their own islamic state and wants to impose his viewpoint on every other muslim , even if they are moderates and once this happens there is no going back.
I'm waiting for bradford, leeds and hounslow (UK) to be declared mini-muslim states.
The problem is not 99.9% of the people in the south, its 0.1% of fantatics who do want a muslim state and want to impose their own religious mania on everyone in it.
You may have a point on this regarding the mosque incident, but the tak bae incident involved peacefull demonstrators
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Maybe one should also mention that the Royal Thai Police have once again shown that there is no job so important that they will do it, if there is no money to be made
/ Priceless
Truer words have never been spoken
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I think your understanding of what happened is somewhat simplified, What happened was that PPP, the largest party in parliament, was dissolved, several MP from that party was banned from politics. What would normally happen if someone is banned, is that #2 (or number 3,4,5 etc.) on the list from that party would take the seat. Since the whole party was banned, there was no #2 and the seats of PPP in that electorate was up for by elections. This happened while MP's from the other parties in that electorate got to keep their seats. Hence they were able to put forward their candidates a second time to compete with the PPP elected seats, and in many peoples eyes got a second round at the cost of the PPP MP's. i.e a district has 10 MP's lets say the original vote gave a result of 5 mp's for PPP and the rest for other parties, the other parties got to keep their MP's and could put forward new ones to compete for mp's they didn't win in the first round. In this situation the normal thing would be to call for a new election for the whole district, or new elections for the whole country. since this didn't happen the by elections altered the majority in parliament and gave the new PTP some MP's and all the other parties MP's they shouldn't have had. This was the reason Aphisit could secure majority and be prime minister. Democratic or not, is not up to me to judge, but it seems a lot of Thai voters feel this is not what they voted for.
I'm not taking sides here, just explaining the mechanics.
Morty
I see what you are sating, but i think that MP's of the PPP retained their seats even though their party was dissolved. All the MP's in PTP right now did not have to stand relection either. The only thing that happend with the disolving of the PPP party is that the 5 most executive members got banned and that included somchai the PM.
I agree that it would have been much much better to call for general elections to avoid the confusion there is now.
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Please allow me to add a couple of Thaksins sins that are 100% verfiable since they involve what the thai's have very nicely dubbed "Policy Corruption" which is to say corruption through the changing of the laws of a country for personal gain (my definition, might not be the best but it works)
I'm too tired at the moment to give accurate dates for these but you should easily be able to google them.
1. The changing of the laws regarding interconnect charges between mobile phone networks and TOT, which only benifitted AIS and was to the detriment of DTAC and Orange.
2. Changing the laws concerning foreign ownership of airline companies, which benifitted Thai Air Asia, 50% owned by thaksin
3. changing the laws regarding foreign ownership of telecom companies prior to selling Shin corp to Temasek, shin corp is ofcourse owned by thaksin.
There are countless examples of nepotism and cronyism
1. The appointend supreme commander of the army is familiy of Thaksin
2. Most of his friends of the police academy got promoted to high government function right after thaksin came to power. I know this is pretty vague, but i don't feel like searching for the names and positions right now.
Human rights abuses. this subject is tricky as thaksin cannot be directly linked to these, but he was PM during the time and he was very evasive in the press. Also i'm including media abuses in here which he definately was directly responsible for.
1. The systematic alienation of the muslim minority in the south, using unnecessarly harsh and inflammatory remarks
2. The tak bae (sp?) incident in which 78 (could be less, but around that number) of people died of suffication, dehydration and over heating, because they were piled face down and 3 deep on flatbed trucks and left in the sun for 3 hours.
3. the ordering of military action inside the mosque at uhh krung something i forget
4. the disappearance of somchai ....... the lawyer fighting for the muslim families in the south
5. Filing multiple multi-billion baht defamation law suits against various reporters and most famously against manager magazine
6. Threatening the bangkok post with using the power of his position to pressure companies not to place ads in the bangkok post unless 2 reporters critical of him were fired (the were fired including the editor i believe or maybe he resigned, not 100% sure on that)
7. Using green and red signs to denote which questions the media could ask him and which ones were deemed bad or unhelpfull (he had a nice catchphrase for this that i forgot)
8. Withdrawning all federal money promised to the local governments of the southern provinces most affected by the insurgency there.
There are more but i feel this gives a decent overview of the thaksin years
Travel To Thailand Bkk March 16-april 4th
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Posted · Edited by eldar1
No i don't think there will be any issues that involve tourists getting in or out of the country. IF there will be any problems it will stay contained to central bangkok (ratchadanoen, victory monument, sanam luang), the rest of bangkok and thailand will be perfectly safe.