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Media and people have no problem switching sides back to Thaksin if it looks like he is making a comeback.
That's sad that they are controlled by someone.
If they deliver half of the news like what they are doing now (except NBT), many people won't understand the truth that PAD is wrong.
Why don't they interview those who are against PAD?
I think there is truth to both these posts.
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Who in there right mind would turn up for this party.I mean what has this particular thai PM ever done to warrant the effort for people to turn up???
I understand that the majority of the crowd were north easterners......90,000 x 500 baht + travel expenses + 90,000 lovely red tshirts.
You have 'issues' with northern or northeasterners? Are you or your GF better than them? Oh - wait - you're suggesting they came for the money, aren't you. You need to read up a bit more.
How about 30-baht health care, sleeping a nite or two up-country every week for several years? How about one-tambon-one-product? How about people like the guy and not the other rich thai-chins who's done SFA for anyone other than their own families and guanxi-connections? Was he in it for himself? You bet! Did he help the majority in the process when every other Thai-Chin politician completely ignored them? YOU BET (and remember they ARE ALL Thai-Chin - worthy of note - just to point out that it is not thai vs chinese at stake here)
I don't deny you your right to post .. but hope I've answered your questions.
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Why does it not surprise me you personally know thieves?The way to receive a Royal Pardon is to formally request one in a respectful, subdued written application. It is not to request one by broadcasting it openly in a phone call to a mobbed stadium.Is this correct. Is there a protocol to be followed or legal pro forma?
Or are you surmising this is the way you'd expect to see a pardon application being submitted?
I have heard a discrete letter to the Privy Council is the correct protocol form for this.
It puts you on the list to be vetted for later royal birthday approval.
No other method would fit protocol requirements.
How warm and nice. I know of guys in this country (personally) who stole 200$ worth of stuff and got 3 years in prison. No pardons yet. Maybe they didn't know how to write a discrete letter or who to ask for the vetting procedure?
If any Mod deletes this they'd better delete the Animatic post too!
Well, I know you don't I?
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Yes clearly they (admin) are coralling everything into a smaller tent. No surprise - shows how scared they TV owners are, not to mention the corrupt Thai upper classes who spent generations ensuring they'd have a family member in every arm of the bureaucracy..til Thaksin came along.. Now they are REALLY freaked out! Look at the army trying to control thought and speech now through ISOC! Maybe the next slogan for Thailand should be "Thailand - don't think - Obey!" A friend of mine from Burma, now working overseas, said it was like deja vu - "Thailand is becoming Burma" - not tomorrow, but 5 or 10 years from now.
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The way to receive a Royal Pardon is to formally request one in a respectful, subdued written application. It is not to request one by broadcasting it openly in a phone call to a mobbed stadium.
Is this correct. Is there a protocol to be followed or legal pro forma?
Or are you surmising this is the way you'd expect to see a pardon application being submitted?
I have heard a discrete letter to the Privy Council is the correct protocol form for this.
It puts you on the list to be vetted for later royal birthday approval.
No other method would fit protocol requirements.
How warm and nice. I know of guys in this country (personally) who stole 200$ worth of stuff and got 3 years in prison. No pardons yet. Maybe they didn't know how to write a discrete letter or who to ask for the vetting procedure?
If any Mod deletes this they'd better delete the Animatic post too!
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Geriatrickid - careful. We're not allowed to criticize the court's decision or slander the judges (I wish I was joking, but it's true). It's just another one of those things you can't do in Thailand that coincidentally allows the upper classes to have their way without scrutiny - and carry on as they please. Now whatever happened to the rich kid, the Benz and the dead and injured bus passengers?
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Yes well the farang pro-PAD right-wingers on this forum can keep dreaming up excuses and trot out the tired old suggestion that the pro-Thaksin-pro-democracy supporters were paid to attend, blah, blah..
But just have a look at all the responses in the Forum section of the new Bangkok Post on Sunday (I'm regaining some faith in the Post) from what appears to be Thais and NOT farangs (I'm assuming Thais from their writing styles). They want democracy - they want Thaksin - they will NOT accept an elite appointed government or another right-wing coup.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131755 (the comments are below the sidebar story at the top)
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In discussion with a farang friend the other day the topic of Hollywood movies came up - and Thailand's woes. We joked about old movies - like the Sound of Music and the Wizard of Oz was also mentioned as a childhood classic ("We're off to see the wizard! The wonderful wizard of Oz! Because, because, because, because! Because! - Because of the wonderful things he does!" Etc., etc,). Then it struck me that maybe we need a Michael Moore to do real justice here.
Can you imagine? I said I couldn't..He'd be in jail before he left his hotel on the first day's shoot on some trumpted up charge..
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We all know the real test is not the goofs on TV making their boring comments about Thaksin (whom many of us agree is corrupt), but how the Bangkok Post reports this in the morning. Look how long it took them to admit the 2 September murder was at the hands of the PAD - full photos in the Newspapers - <snip>
And none at the poor rural kids in the army getting killed everyday in the south now are there? Nope - they don't count I guess.
The Thai media are stifled and cannot report the truth - EVERYONE IN THE WORLD NOW KNOWS THIS NOW - except the fascist Thais, and for some reason their sympathetic farang morons on this little Thaivisa Website.
90,000 poor people coming to Bangkok on a Saturday is a REALLY big deal for this event given all the publicity the other side has received (even if transport is paid - so what anyway - like the PAD's murderous guards aren't paid?)
Let's see - it should be the headlien front page big photo - have you the guts Bangkok Post - of course the Nation is a write off...a joke. As are their editors who routinely fill this Website with their garbage.
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Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.
But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!
I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:
This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.David , Samut songkram
Cheers.
Thanks Reimar. Good to know where you stand. Any idea as to how long it will take to follow through on your promise to clean up all those posts where I was defamed?
Cheers.
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Not true - JD
The Forum owner can face charges if those references are libelous, or cause some offence to the head of state and family. All I'm saying is that to be safe, it's best to eliminate all references. Let the newspapers on those two issues answer for themselves. And level the field here at TV which is not The Nation or the Bangkok Post - to remove the one-sided advantage that has clearly developed by repeating biased popular-press artciles as though they reflect ther eality on the ground - when those papers can only report ONE side in the first place.
I'm not saying ban all re-posting of news articles, just those that moderators may deem potentially libelous - or have any mention of the RF.
Easy...and will cool things down a lot too. It's also a show of good faith that this really is a place for even debate - with no sides being taken by those who can influence through deletions etc.
It's fair as it gets in an unfair world.
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TG2 --- you just won't learn will you?
BTW your one dead on the 'other side' was NOT from the 7th of October ... you are making claims up with absolutely ZERO substantiation even from Police/Gov't/UDD sites.. pathetic really!
Thanks for telling me twice.
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Hi,
We live in Singapore and my wife is Thai. We are intested in buying a condo in Pattaya, North Point from Raimond Land to be specific. I just hung up the phone from Bangkok Bank Singapore Branch about taking a loan for foreignner buying property in Thailand.
They have supended such loan. According to them, it will be until at least middle of next year they will evaluate the offer again. What is our option now? Is it still possible to buy. I was inform just last week from Raimond that I can borrow. But it is not. Lucky I check first otherwise I will lose my deposit.
Let me know if you have been in the situation. We really like to buy and able to put down about 30%.
Thanks,
That's very interesting. Last time they did that was 2-3 weeks before the last coup. At the time they told me the situation was very unstable (and then admitted there was concern about 'foreigners' in the political climate at that time). Do they smell something or know something? Remember what happened last time? The coup unleashed the hi-so ultra-nationalists and the Foreign Business Act..is this a repeat? Remember who runs and owns these big Thai banks - they are the super-rich-hi-so-guanxi-connected - the upper 5% of Thai society.
My advice would be to wait a while - this place is getting really unstable. Let the factions finish their feud. The property market is hurting too, so why not hang around for a while and see what happens? Global credit crunch, etc..too many variables
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Judging by amount af trolling and bullshit posted here, I'm absolutely convinced that royalty should be kept off limits.
"Respectful and thoughtful" is not how I would describe Thaivisa, or any other Thai related online community.
Except when you're calling me a drunk, apparently.
And why is that exactly? Is it because I post between 10 and 12 at night? Am I keeping you up old fella?
Plus - I am 'w-o-r-k-i-n-g' the rest of the time (long days) and earning 'm-o-n-e-y' not drinking (not usually anyway)..that's just weird. Whatever.
As for the other post/link I didn't open it, but am guessing this is the one where I suggested a compromise between the 'old family money' types and the thaksinite/democracy types. I cling to hope - but I agree with another poster above who suggests that getting the aristo-thais to acknowledge that the key to their survival is a UK-style or European-style compromise (where they keep their land and their honorifics - like "Na-this" or "Na-that" etc,) seems remote. As the poster said they think the majority of the country are low IQ children not worthy of their attention, and certainly not worthy of choosing governments (convenient excuses as they may be).
As I say, I cling to hope that eventually that will be a compromise that's reached. But I really believe that 's very unlikely now given the recent events (the one that we're not allowed to discuss anymore (except in glowing terms).
As mentioned (again by others) the whole point of this discussion has become pointless...and childish for sure.
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TG2----
1) it was announced yesterday
2) What other victims .....? You mentioned a policeman etc above and then never answered about them ....
Your rants and lack of facts are tiresome.
edited to add the name of who I was addressing
Policeman run over by a PAD supporter - reported by foreign media - not Thai (that I am aware of), and then of course the one you can't try to ignore, the pro-government guy dragged away and murdered since he was on the COVER OF THE NATION with the (apparent) perps shown draggin him away (full faces showing).
Your response?
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Thai queen weighs in with anti-government protesters
BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's Queen Sirikit attended the funeral on Monday of a protester killed in clashes with police last week. <snipped>
After chants of "Long Live Her Majesty" from thousands of members of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), the queen told Jinda Radappanyawuthi, father of 28-year-old victim Angkana, that his daughter had died in a noble cause.
"Her Majesty said my daughter was a good woman since she had helped the nation and preserved the monarchy," Jinda told reporters after a brief audience at the end of the Buddhist cremation. Tears streaked down his face as he spoke.
Reuters news article continued here:
Thanks SJ
You're welcome
No problem - need a tissue for the brown stuff?
TG2 --- about those deaths ... care to help us all out there? Fill me in as I seem to have missed soemthing. Your rant looked pretty but lacked any truth.
What rant?
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Thai queen weighs in with anti-government protesters
BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's Queen Sirikit attended the funeral on Monday of a protester killed in clashes with police last week. <snipped>
After chants of "Long Live Her Majesty" from thousands of members of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), the queen told Jinda Radappanyawuthi, father of 28-year-old victim Angkana, that his daughter had died in a noble cause.
"Her Majesty said my daughter was a good woman since she had helped the nation and preserved the monarchy," Jinda told reporters after a brief audience at the end of the Buddhist cremation. Tears streaked down his face as he spoke.
Reuters news article continued here:
Thanks SJ
You're welcome
Quiet a contrast between this girls funeral and that of Narongsak Kothaisongs who was the DAAD supporter shot / beaten on the head by someone in the PAD lines. Both were protesting for what they believe in but one was from the urban middle class and one was from the rural poor. Is there anything to be seen in this. Ohhhhh yes....but we can't write about it without a lot of PAD posters gleefully pushing their buttons. Never mind, the rest of the world will draw its own conclusions regardless of any censorship here.
Careful bangyai - they don't want us to talk about any of this.
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TG2 --- first --- careful ....
second ... help me out with these other deaths ....
JD, careful went out the window already...
What's the point in being careful - we tried our best for the majority - it's cleary over - for now. Who cares? The hi-so's will now erase democracy. Don't you get it? This battle has clearly been won. (The fight isn't finished - but there is no immediate come back for the anti-facist camps)
Priviledged Class: 1
Democracy: 0
The Army and establishment will now rally - the disenfranchised have no hope - this time. (my guess is that this is a 5-10 year gain for facsism - but what do I know? My guess is as a good as yours.)
Anyway, unless these other guys pull a rabbit out of their hat - that's it. Authoritarian rule is where we're heading.
And an edit - just for the record - I always said Thaksin was a pain in the ass and most certainly corrupt - but so what - this is Thailand. You think all those Benz's at 200,000 USD each driven by a bureaucrat were paid for legally? Welcome to Thailand - AND NOW! Welcome (back) to facsism.
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Thai queen weighs in with anti-government protesters
BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's Queen Sirikit attended the funeral on Monday of a protester killed in clashes with police last week. <snipped>
After chants of "Long Live Her Majesty" from thousands of members of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), the queen told Jinda Radappanyawuthi, father of 28-year-old victim Angkana, that his daughter had died in a noble cause.
"Her Majesty said my daughter was a good woman since she had helped the nation and preserved the monarchy," Jinda told reporters after a brief audience at the end of the Buddhist cremation. Tears streaked down his face as he spoke.
Reuters news article continued here:
Thanks SJ
You're welcome
No problem - need a tissue for the brown stuff?
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Government supporters cheer during a rally Sunday Oct. 12, 2008 in Bangkok, Thailand. Thousands of government supporters rallied as anti-government protesters planned a demonstration Monday at the police headquarters in Bangkok to protest alleged police brutality during clashes last Tuesday.
Associated Press
Government supporters take part in military-style drills Sunday Oct. 12, 2008 in Bangkok Thailand.
Associated Press
Does this not resemble war without the army involved?
War conducted by zealot amateurs, because the profesionals know better.
PAD is not without culpability, but DAAD seems to be LOOKING for war,
and a level of violence above Tuesday's. Is it to be the mad taxi drivers,
versus the grandmothers protected by dutiful sons?
Bets on whether this discussion meeting is boycotted by DAAD,
they seem to think the gain something on the attack.
I can NOT imagine what though. If the army moves I suspect they will
lock down BOTH freelance groups and keep them apart.
And then demand more dialog.
Animatic - I'm not looking to argue with your post...but look at the photos. The red-clad pro-democracy people are inside at a rally - very peaceful - not menacing anyone. If those people, in that number, (tens of thousands) had done that in the streets (like the PAD do at will) the army puppets (supported by their friends in higher places) would have moved on them in FORCE. In other words, if they had taken to the streets, they would have been run off or shot down like dogs and you know it.
Why hasn't that happened to the people of PAD who are high-jacking democracy? Not Thai "Ethnic" looking like the guys in red? Don't smirk - you know why. Because one-person-one-vote doesn't count in Thailand. It's hi-so influence that matters..or Chinese merchant parents and yellow t-shirts (on the front lines)? Is that what it boils down to?
Now as for the black-clad former police whatever they are - what to make of that? Well if the regular police and army won't defend the will of the majority of the people of thailand (who voted democractically) against the wishes of the elite minority who brow-beat the authorities into submission, then I guess it takes a posse of the willing to regain the right of the majority to rule. Is that it?
Show Time.
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Just go to the local Thai Embassy/Consulate - wear a lot of yellow, with special wristbands, tell them your wife is a hi-so, act important, and that's all there is to it. Say (in Thai - it only works in Thai): "Do you know who my wife is?" - The Thais do this to each other all the time (but not when foreigners are around - learn this - it's true).
Use words like "than" etc..
"Pandray-ah khong pomme, ben than - whatever-her-name-is - yadayada-porn, ja bai baan na-blah, blah, gap pomme.....blah, blah.."
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I have a difficult time feeling sorry for anyone who fails to plan ahead. I too was forced to return to my home country when I went broke. The difference was that I had a little fund that I refused to touch. There was enough in that fund for an air ticket and enough to rent an apartment for a couple of months until I was able to get setup and start a new job.
This is a very important point you raise.
I have seen friends here listen to advice on planning, or marriage breakdowns, or job terminations, but they still ignore the sound advice and end up screwed out of home and family. Very sad. Perhaps some people just can't get it together..
Even if I ended up a total wreck, I would always have an escape plan..I guess it's inherent within one - you are able to do this, or you are not.
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Dr Sutep Gonlachanvit, who works at Chulalongkorn Hospital and announced the measure to not treat policemen and soldiers who clashed with the PAD, said: "Many doctors, nurses and resident doctors from eight medical schools have agreed to this measure.
Clearly, the 80/20 rule strongly applies here.
Chula is an elite university, at least in the sense that it is currently the highest-ranked Thai university in the international university rankings table. As one would expect, the University authorities have moved quickly to say that this is not official policy. Those members of the Faculty of Medicine who got together to agree this, might care to reflect on the likely reaction from clinicians and academics in Western Universities.
...but of course then did nothing to remove him from his post, suspend him, or report him to the medical college/registrar or whatever Thailand calls it's disciplinary body. Nope - he'll just keep his position cause everyone is afraid that he has the hi-so's on his side. Pathetic as usual. Cap-poom.
(EXCSUSE THE CAPS..JUST EASIER TO ANSWER YOU)
How do you know what they did or did not do to the Dr? What rule do you KNOW of that he violated?
I DON'T KNOW...BUT AS I SAID, THAILAND MUST HAVE A DISCIPLINARY BODY ON ANY DOCTOR'S OBLIGATION TO LOOK AFTER A PATIENT (LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTRY). EVEN NEWSPAPER EDITORIALS AND THE THAI HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS' ASSN HAVE NOW WEIGHED IN ON THIS ISSUE.
What is the name of your horse in this race?
IT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY - A HORSE WITH ONLY ONE NAME - WHAT'S YOURS?
And you still haven't addressed your "elite university" comment that was fankly 100%BS
CHULA - WASN'T THAT CLEAR?
and yes the post with all the RED of course is in violation of the board rules
NOT MY RED - SOMEONE ELSES'S - BE A BIT MORE OBSERVANT, OK?
There really is a point where if you hate Thailand and Thais so much that living elsewhere seems to make far more sense isn't there?
I DON'T HATE THAIS - JUST THOSE WHO THREATEN THE FUTURE OF MY THAI KIDS. WHAT DO YOU WANT? JUST COMFORT IN THE PHUKET MARINA? BUT DON'T WORRY THE ELTIE THAIS WILL BE KICKING YOU OUT REAL SOON - THAT'S THE GREAT IRONY OF THIS JDINASIA THAT YOU SEEM TO BE OVERLOOKING. THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY HATE MORE THAN THE THAI POOR, ARE YOU (AND ME).
NOW LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION - THAT I ASKED BEFORE BUT ALSO HANS'T BEEN ANSWERED.."So who killed the DAAD supporter - full face in the front ... cover of the newspaper the next morning?"
OR HERE IS ANOTHER NEWER QUESTION: WHAT ABOUT THE GUY WHO DROVE HIS PICK UP/CAR DELIBERATELY OVER THE INJURED POLICEMAN IN THE STREET? WAS HE ARRESTED? WHO IS HE? WHERE ARE THE NEWS REPORTS ABOUT THIS? WHERE ARE THE FOLLOW-UPS? WHY ARE THERE ALL THESE REPORTS ABOUT THE HORRIBLE BRUTAL EVENTS OF POLICE USING TEAR GAS - GIVE ME A BREAK. NEVER SEEN POLICE USE TEAR GAS IN THE WEST?
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Dr Sutep Gonlachanvit, who works at Chulalongkorn Hospital and announced the measure to not treat policemen and soldiers who clashed with the PAD, said: "Many doctors, nurses and resident doctors from eight medical schools have agreed to this measure.
Clearly, the 80/20 rule strongly applies here.
Chula is an elite university, at least in the sense that it is currently the highest-ranked Thai university in the international university rankings table. As one would expect, the University authorities have moved quickly to say that this is not official policy. Those members of the Faculty of Medicine who got together to agree this, might care to reflect on the likely reaction from clinicians and academics in Western Universities.
...but of course then did nothing to remove him from his post, suspend him, or report him to the medical college/registrar or whatever Thailand calls it's disciplinary body. Nope - he'll just keep his position cause everyone is afraid that he has the hi-so's on his side. Pathetic as usual. Cap-poom.
Thaksin Begs For "Royal Kindness"
in Thailand News
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Yep, you're correct. How stupid of me. Burma was led to ruin by a left-wing coup. Now Thailand is being led to ruin by a right-wing coup - not the same at all - please accept my apology.
Come to think of it JD, maybe you're absolutely right! EUREKA - jdinasia!
Thailand needs a coup - just like the PAD want. Let's give them what they want - and everyone will be happy!!! A left-wing coup to bring back the proper balance to the people and sanity to what has become a crazy, crazy, place!