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  1. 49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    Sorry, it doesn’t work like that.


    You posted the ‘data’, it clearly does not include the UK’s 41% upward correction of the death count and you used this ‘data’ to argue the UK government is ‘doing a good job’.


    The issue is, the ‘data’ is clearly out of date  and does not support your argument.

    The data DOES include the UK reported deaths until April 22.



    My (John Hopkins University's) data is CLEARLY not out of date.


    Again, if you have issues with their data, contact THEM.


  2. 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    No, you linked to a website, where the image might be amongst thousands  of pages and then back to to your own post.


    A perfectly circular argument.


    And all the while the image you have posted shows no indication of including the 41% upward correction in UK data.

    If you have ANY remarks or arguments relating to the accuracy of the data, please feel free to get in contact with John Hopkins University who have published the data.  



    I hope (well...) you realise that John Hopkins won't adjust their data according to tabloid speculations?

  3. 2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

    You restricted your statistics to include parametres like population figure and population density.

    I'd say expanded rather than restricted.


    3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

    In Germany the worst affected area by far was Bavaria, which has a population density of 184.2 inhabitants per km2, it has 39395 cases as of today.  Hessia's population density is significantly higher, with 288 people per km2, but it only has 7593 cases. This despite the fact that Frankfurt is Germany's Heathrow and main travel hub.

    Correct. Germany is, in my opinion, where the pandemic has been managed best. For reasons I won't go in to. But, so far, they are the champions. IMO.


    5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

    We don't have perfect figures yet, no, but we are getting a clearer picture of the real number of cases, are we not?

    No, we don't. Give it two months and we'll be wiser, I think.

  4. 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    Another one of your circular arguments.


    To summarize, you post an image that might be a graph, fail to provide a link to the source of the image and fail to address the fact that the UK’s data has just been revised up by 41% (while there is no indication of any such ‘up-kick’ in the image you have posted).


    When asked for a link you circle back to your own post.


    I've given you exactly what you ask for. You asked for the source data and I provided (apart from the fact that it's stated on the diagram itself).


    And I have given you a link to the source of the image. I did that here:



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  5. 42 minutes ago, Logosone said:

    If the UK is doing so great, how come European WHO officials are panicking about the UK's poor performance in stemming new cases?:






    You're referring to data that shows the rate of spread at a certain period in time. Most likely, every country would have topped that league at one point in time. If you want to debate this further I can provide diagrams for any period. Just let me know.

  6. 39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    Neither of those links direct to the image you have posted and are using as the basis of arguments you are making.


    Please provide a link to the image you have posted and are using as the basis of your arguments.


    Links to websites in which the image might or might not be buried are not links to the image.

    Here's the link to image:


  7. 47 minutes ago, Logosone said:

    Okay, well, if you take the numbers and restrict them to infected people who have the surname O'Malley obviously Ireland would be the worst affected.


    Obviously the rather clear issue with your statistics is that you have skewed the numbers with population and population density on top. Very obviously that way the UK will always have an advantage over countries with lower populations and lower pop density.


    Well, I didn't restrict the numbers to people with the name O'Malley, did I? I used the population data published by the World Bank. No matter how you slice it, the population density is very much relevant for the infection rate. 


    It's not my data, and in what way is it skewed? I'm simply using data collected by someone else (I've included the name of the source). In terms of distribution and infection rate I think you're spot on: population and population density is the main factor. Why do you think they introduce social distancing (actually, it's physical distancing).


    You're obviously free to attach any diagram you want, but if number of fatalities is the method of measuring success in this matter, even you understand that countries like the Vatican, Tuvalu and Palau are going to be at the top. 


    Unfortunately, the most important parameter is still unknown (the number of infections across the entire population). Without that parameter the statistical significance isn't exactly high.

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  8. 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    Putting aside your snide attacks  on those who think differently to yourself, how old is that image, does it include the recently revealed 41% error in UK Government reporting?


    And where is the link to the image you have posted?



    Here's the COVID-19 death data:



    Here's the population data:


  9. 2 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

    He shall be immaterially removed from any government or politic post , locked in the same jail where they detain Julian Assange and condemned to spend his life in prison for all the death caused by his incompetence!

    Immaterially removed?


    Presumably, you mean immediately?


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  10. 2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

    Since the collective effort refers to PPE, was there a shortage of PPE in Italy?


    Actually, the shortage of PPE is pretty much global. As far as I know, only a handful of countries had a built up PPE supply for the purpose of a pandemic.





  11. 2 hours ago, Sujo said:

    The masks are worn so doctors dont give the virus to the patient. Not the other way around. It helps stop you spreading it. It doesnt stop you getting it.


    doctors also wear masks because the virus isnt the only thing that can spread. Masks do help with those other things.


    also the masks they use are not the run of the mill useless masks most wear.


    What is expected is the govt listen to experts in their field and make the decisions based on those facts. Not make political decisions or to shop around until they get the advice they want to hear.

    In my opinion, one great benefit of wearing a mask is that it acts as a physical barrier between peoples hands and their face. That alone is reason enough for wearing one. In that respect it also stops you from 'getting it'.

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  12. 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

    It’s not Piers’ job to ‘solve problems’.


    He’s pointing out the Government’s failures, doing so does not mean he owes anyone a solution.

    He's not "pointing out failures". He's making faces, insults people, brings incorrect stats to the table, refers to non-existing statements and interrupts people. To mention a few of his qualities. I for one have no issues appreciating that some of his guests begin to laugh during his interviews; they're laughing at PIERS conduct, and Piers himself doesn't realise that. But if you find him likeable I guess you're happy. 


    He's an obnoxious sensationalist tosser, if you ask me. He'd probably make faces, insult and interrupt the Queen if it generated Twitter clicks.



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  13. If anyone believe that the difficulty to accurately identify and report deaths caused by COVID-19 is unique to UK, you might want to think again.

    It is NOT an automagical process. 




    And before someone comes up with the tin foil hat theory that the all these countries are trying to deceive the citizens by not revealing the correct death toll, please, they're not. It's just that it's b-y complex and difficult. 

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  14. 3 hours ago, cmarshall said:

    Don't we know that methods used in South Korea and Taiwan are the best practices?  And didn't we know that before the pandemic?

    As much as you want to believe so, but no one knew that before the pandemic.


    South Korea have done remarkably well, yes. But keep in mind that their sharp rise in cases happened in late February and began to drop off in March. At that point the virus was most likely widespread in the UK and our sharp rise began around two weeks later. It's easy to say AFTER the event that the Korean model would be successful. But nobody knew it at the time, that's my whole point.


    But for what it's worth, this is about being able to account for every person who dies, regardless of where. And I can guarantee that if someone dies in a Korean care home where the doctor issues a death certificate and send it to the registrar via post, he won't be included in the daily count.


    As I said, it's easier to complain and act like a tosser while others attempt to solve the problem...

  15. On 4/21/2020 at 4:29 AM, TheDark said:

    I wonder how many plasma donations are required to treat or help to treat coronavirus patients?


    I if understand correctly, foreign plasma give the patients "Antibiotics style (for bacterias)" boost to fight the virus, but receivers immune system is not able to copy the immune response from the plasma. Plasma transfusion simply gives more time for the body to learn to cope with the virus. 


    Perhaps someone more wiser could teach us a bit how this works? @Sheryl 🙂



    I haven't seen one single paper yet where the effects of convalescent plasma COVID-19 treatments have been documented, but from a functional perspective, the theory is that the antibodies in the plasma will reduce or even stop the virus proliferation that will eventually lead to viraemia (the viruses in your blood system). There are numerous theories of additional effects (if you find any documentation, please share), one of which is that the antibodies helps removing the previously infected cells.

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