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Just now, Logosone said:donnacha called it right from the minute it was announced he was admitted to hospital.
Congratulations on an excellent analysis which was confirmed only a day later by the news.
Very impressive analytic insight.
No he didn't. He guessed. And he guessed wrong.
He claimed that the reason they didn't bring a ventilator and a team of carers to No. 10 was that they would have a leak. That was wrong.
Then he claimed that he "had to be in the ICU". That was wrong. He was admitted to the ICU at 18:00 (three hours AFTER donnacha claimed he was already there). So he was wrong there too.
He claimed that he was "almost certainly already on a ventilator". That was wrong too.
Three wrong out of three. But that's the nature of guessing without having any real info...
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17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:
France's median age is 6 years less than Italy's but 79% of the deaths were of people aged 75 and older.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102881/infections-coronavirus-age-france/
Those numbers are actually very similar to the Italian. 1,2% of dead in Italy are below 50 compared to 2% in France.
23% of the population in Italy over 65 years.
20% of the population in France over 65 years.
18% of the population in the UK over 65 years.
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16 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:
Puts everything into perspective that this is not just a virus that kills old folks. It is a virus that is non gender specific, age specific, and is an equal opportunity virus which anyone at anytime can catch and die from.
Totally. That is the scary bit - a lot of people STILL haven't grasped what's going on.
There are some stats that are being pumped out of Italy that I find deeply unhelpful. I watch the Italian news every day and the information suggest that almost ALL people that have died are old. But that's specific to Italy and they have one of the oldest populations in the world. That's why a majority of dead people in Italy are old. Average age amongst dead at the moment is 78 for men and 82 for women. 97,2% had at least ONE underlying health issue. 51,3% had at least THREE underlying health issues.
The numbers will be different in the UK.
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14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:
Coronavirus: new figures on intensive care deaths revealed
Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.
There is a newer report available from ICNARC (Holborn).
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b
THIS is an interesting table:
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11 minutes ago, bannork said:
According to James Gallagher: Not every patient in intensive care is ventilated, but around two-thirds are within 24 hours of admission with Covid-19.
There are a couple of papers available. I would assume James Gallagher is referring to the one from Holborn which shows that 98 of 165 patients admitted to ICU were ventilated. I haven't read that one myself, so if you have a link I'd be grateful.
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3 minutes ago, samran said:
Nothing precautionary about it. You only go into ICU if your life is in danger.
Incorrect. The actual criteria for referral to ICU doesn't have anything to do with whether your life is in danger. In fact, you should be referred to ICU well before that.
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Just to give you some stats in order to provide a view on the typical oxygen support for Covid-19 patients.
Out of ALL patients admitted to hospital, 100% have some level of pneumonia, typically bilateral. 66% of all patients receive oxygen via a cannula (nasal). 24% receive oxygen via a non invasive method (CPAP). 5% of admitted patients will be intubated and put on a ventilator.
According to the information that has been released, Boris currently belong to the 24% that receives oxygen via a mask (CPAP).
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3 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:
All of the Brits that politically adhere to PM Johnson's downplay of the virus might might want to review their level of gullibility when it comes to the government...
Or is just a social group to fit too? NHS - ????????
The virus is real. It's times like these we can really see the true face of those in public offices.
I think most Brits will finally realise what is going on. The past weekend the parks were filled with people not giving a flying toss about the virus. This has the potential to turn into an existential issue, but I really hope Boris recovers.
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4 minutes ago, faraday said:
Yes, I know exactly what you mean. You meant that If a patient is "ventilated & makes a normal recovery, they are not left with any brain damage or any other debililatating ailments caused by being intubated."
But that's incorrect. There are severe risks and side effects involved with sedating the patient and the patient OFTEN experience cognitive dysfunctions. Often. Even at a fully restored breathing and early weaning there is a big chance of negative cognitive effects.
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18 minutes ago, faraday said:
He was admitted to hospital to be given oxygen. That will have been administered via a nasal cannula, or a mask.
He is now in ICU, as his condition has worsened, & I very strongly suspect that he will be on a Ventilator soon.
If a patient is Ventilated & makes a normal recovery, they are not left with any brain damage or any other debililatating ailments caused by being intubated.
Boris is very ill, I fear the worst, I hope I'm wrong.
Lastly, stop the arguments. If you do post something, just stick to the facts.
I'm sorry, but in the name of facts it should be mentioned that there are numerous known side effects involved when mechanically ventilating someone. Mental dysfunction being one of them.
I mean, If we are to stick to the facts.
I'll point you in the right direction.
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15 minutes ago, donnacha said:
Your trust in the official narrative, despite it changing every day, is touching.
So, what are you going to do tomorrow, when they reveal that, yes, he is on a ventilator?
Are you going to return to this thread and apologize, profusely, for failing to absorb what I have been saying clearly and repeatedly: that the news is being managed by drip-feeding a few details at a time, but that we can already logically deduce what is happening.
Of course you won't. You will disappear and pretend you never took the ridiculous position you are now so vehemently defending.
Next time, read my posts before commenting.
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QuoteBJ could be on a ventilator. Or not. But the truth is you nothing about it. You don't know if he is. You don't know if he will be. Yet you claim to be certain he is.
To put it frank, the only thing certain is that you know nothing.
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7 minutes ago, donnacha said:Seriously, I have no quarrel with you. At a time like this, your thuggish behavior is unseemly, and your inability to accept that you made a mistake is embarrassing. I feel bad for you and am trying to help you here. Shall we just agree to disagree?
So let's sum it up.
You lie about what you wrote.
You lie about what I wrote
You hurl insults in one of the most disgusting ways I've seen on this forum
And all of this because I have pointed out your factually incorrect statements? And I am the one being thuggish?
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2 minutes ago, donnacha said:
What, exactly, do you think intensive care for a severe respiratory condition consists of?
Perhaps you could stop digging and just google that.
Seriously, I have no quarrel with you. At a time like this, your thuggish behavior is unseemly, and your inability to accept that you made a mistake is embarrassing. I'm trying to help you here. Shall we just agree to disagree?
Admitted to an Intensive Care Unit and being put on a ventilator are two different things. Glad that you have now googled that so you can admit your error.
He's still not on a ventilator.
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Just now, donnacha said:
I have no quarrel with you. My analysis was 100% right, and for exactly the reasons I laid out. That is enough for me.
You were wrong, and it is up to you to decide if you are man enough to own that.
Your analysis was 100% hogwash. You said that he was almost certainly on a ventilator. He still isn't on a ventilator. In fact, your original post was the best example I've seen of tabloid-level BS on this forum. I'll say it again:
You know NOTHING.
And instead you start hurling insults including imaginary facial tattoos and lie about what you actually wrote?
Some people...
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22 minutes ago, donnacha said:
You might be overestimating the actual operational power of No. 10.
No, I'm referring to the logistical options of No. 10.
23 minutes ago, donnacha said:Because all other stages of Covid-19 could have continued to be treated within No. 10.
You're wrong. No. 10 is not a hospital.
25 minutes ago, donnacha said:Also, he had been going downhill for ten days. That is generally the point at which intensive care becomes necessary.
Really!? I've read all sorts of papers on this topic but have yet to find a manual. Would you be so kind to share this manual with us? Actually, judging by the available statistics, none of your speculations are correct.
28 minutes ago, donnacha said:The latest news is that he is responding well to treatment, so, hopefully my worst fears won't be realised.
According to your gossipy hogwash, he's already on a ventilator resulting in permanent damages. You should be ashamed of yourself spreading such BS.
BJ could be on a ventilator. Or not. But the truth is you nothing about it. You don't know if he is. You don't know if he will be. Yet you claim to be certain he is.
To put it frank, the only thing certain is that you know nothing.
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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:
I wonder how many people are actually defying the government instructions/advice?
Or is this another tabloid driven moral outrage?
I have two local parks on my way to Waitrose. Sunday at noon and they were filled with people playing football and firing up BBQs. The ones not giving a <deleted>** appeared to be families or couples with friends. Shocking.
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Surprised it hasn't happened already. If people continue to ignore the rules the way they currently are they will suspend the right to exercise outside and only allow people to make trips to buy new supplies. We will have to take exactly the same medicine as Italy.
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6 hours ago, donnacha said:
The word is that he was finally admitted because his respiratory problems became too severe to treat with a team of doctors alone, but there was no way to quietly bring a ventilator, plus the necessary trained staff, into No. 10 without it leaking. So, they had no choice but to bite the bullet and have him admitted.
He has to be in an ICU and, almost certainly, is already on a ventilator.If they wanted "to quietly bring a ventilator, plus the necessary trained staff, into No. 10 without it leaking" they could have done so. In addition, I would rate the chance of someone leaking information regarding the PMs condition slightly (to say the very least) higher if he is treated at a local NHS-hospital rather than at home by a team handpicked for this purpose.
Furthermore, I don't see why he "has to be in an ICU" or why he "is already on a ventilator".
My best bet is that he's had his chest x-rayed (you don't bring that kit into No. 10 unnoticed...) and that it showed that he's got pneumonia. That's the nature of this infection...
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On 4/5/2020 at 7:18 AM, Chomper Higgot said:
If you don’t get close to an infected person you can’t catch the virus off them.
Surely your comment above is an unfortunate error? You don't really mean this, do you?
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5 minutes ago, TheDark said:
Now UK PM has been hospitalised.
According to official sources he's admitted for tests. He's not hospitalised.
QuotePrime Minister Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests, 10 days after testing positive for coronavirus, Downing Street has said.
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It was described as a "precautionary step" taken on the advice of his doctor.
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1 hour ago, TheDark said:
UK Queen just spoke out. Only the 3rd time in modern history.
Boris is now officially a toast bread.
5th time.
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8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
1.Herd immunity:
2: I can’t provide a link to a number the government has not published.
So you don't have a link to support your claim that "Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed"?
OK.
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4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:Johnson’s callous herd immunity experiment has failed.
Interestingly the government are predicting when the peak mortality will occur but have failed to give the associated estimate of deaths.
Do you have any links?
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PM Johnson moved to intensive care as COVID-19 symptoms worsen
in World News
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In case you're interested - you're wrong.