atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, dfdgfdfdgs said: OP says they refused to allow him to pay at police station. I'm sure if he had insisted they would have had to allow him to pay it at the police station, but this sort of 'persuasion' when in a position of authority is tantamount to extortion. If they didn't then they would either have to let him go or arrest him, and if it were the latter the fine would likely be very low or non-existent (assuming he could produce his passport and was not on overstay). i politely and firmly told multiple cops i will take care of fine-offense at police station. i told them "i fully accept responsibility and want to do the right thing" . i actually prefer to pay a fine that may be more than the extortion amt so they dont get cash in the pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 48 minutes ago, atyclb said: ended up giving 500 baht to buy cola at 7 11. they could have dragged it on for hours. i was a passenger in tuk tuk. Congratulations on caving in to corruption. That will put a stop to it, 'eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, tonray said: What 1950's time machine did you just walk out of ? asking if i am black is a fair question since blacks are being targeted nearby nana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 They only stop ragbags so who cares.?[emoji562]Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Just now, atyclb said: asking if i am black is a fair question since blacks are being targeted nearby nana Yes...I agree...but it might have sounded a bit better had he said "are you black ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, connda said: Congratulations on caving in to corruption. That will put a stop to it, 'eh? completely agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 A copy of the first page and visa/entry stamp is more than sufficient. I would have refused to pay a fine - as i have in the past. Be polite but firm - they would've backed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, tonray said: Yes...I agree...but it might have sounded a bit better had he said "are you black ?" i dont think people use the terms negro or coloured-colored in a derogatory sense. not every country in the world is besieged with political correctness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, tonray said: Yes...I agree...but it might have sounded a bit better had he said "are you black ?" You mean "excuse me for asking but are you a person of colour? and when I say colour I mean no offence to any minorities, sexual or racial" nice PC version for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Thai Ron said: A copy of the first page and visa/entry stamp is more than sufficient. I would have refused to pay a fine - as i have in the past. Be polite but firm - they would've backed down this happened to me 3 times before, twice on asoke and once near kaosan road and they backed down seeing passport copy and id from prominent university. that was before the army took over and they likely figured not waste time with me and look for an easier fish to fry. currently they are hurting due to the army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Thian said: In Nana they did this to the negro's...so my question is: Are you a negro or African? Not only from a different century with an antiquated term, erroneous as well with your question... Negro |ˈnēgrō| dated, often offensive noun (pl. Negroes) a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, iReason said: Not only from a different century with an antiquated term, erroneous as well with your question... Negro |ˈnēgrō| dated, often offensive noun (pl. Negroes) a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara. you may want to lecture to the black rappers that constantly use the very derogatory N word likely the majority of countries in the world are not required to study / keep up with PC of some countries latest dictionary definitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiLightning2143 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Where to keep PP while swimming? On the sun-bed to be stolen or in a platic bag in your budgie smuggler, tucked in the grundle of meat and two veg? If stopped Police can see my passport copies, as approved previously again and again and in articles quoting Pol. Lt. General Nathathorn Prousoontorn. Otherwise they can deal with issuing fines at the police station and my multiple deep Wais. My passport stays in a locked hotel style digital keypad safe at home ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, atyclb said: you may want to lecture to the black rappers that constantly use the very derogatory N word You may want to tone down your practice of deflection. 8 minutes ago, atyclb said: likely the majority of countries in the world are not required to study / keep up with PC of some countries latest dictionary definitions Likely, the majority of educated people in the world, are not overly concerned with simplistic, marginalizing labels and buzz terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, iReason said: You may want to tone down your practice of deflection. Likely, the majority of educated people in the world, are not overly concerned with simplistic, marginalizing labels and buzz terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, atyclb said: ended up giving 500 baht to buy cola at 7 11. they could have dragged it on for hours. i was a passenger in tuk tuk. This is where it's good to have your lawyer on speed dial. My lawyer told me never to carry my passport, and if asked to see it by police, tell them that it is at my lawyer's office. Why never carry your passport? Police have been known to keep them to extort money, and they've also been known to lose them. This is from very experienced lawyers in Pattaya who have had to deal with the above situations on behalf of clients. I should have mentioned too - even if you have it, don't show it - show a copy instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Thai Ron said: A copy of the first page and visa/entry stamp is more than sufficient. I would have refused to pay a fine - as i have in the past. Be polite but firm - they would've backed down You don't pay fines in the street - you pay them at the police station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 3 hours ago, jackdd said: How exactly are they extorting money? Ask you to pay an on the spot fine? Do they pressure you somehow besides of saying that at the police station you would have to pay 5000thb? You have to carry your passport, if you don't carry it you can probably be fined, i don't know for how much, but you would of course pay this at the police station. By asking for 5000 Baht on a non existent law . If the Police want to see your PP , they can take you to the Police station and once you have shown it to them and everything's in order, they will let you go The Police in this instance were just looking for an excuse to get 5000 Baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiLightning2143 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 This is where it's good to have your lawyer on speed dial. My lawyer told me never to carry my passport, and if asked to see it by police, tell them that it is at my lawyer's office. Why never carry your passport? Police have been known to keep them to extort money, and they've also been known to lose them. This is from very experienced lawyers in Pattaya who have had to deal with the above situations on behalf of clients. I should have mentioned too - even if you have it, don't show it - show a copy instead.Best reason ever for not carrying passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 58 minutes ago, tropo said: This is where it's good to have your lawyer on speed dial. My lawyer told me never to carry my passport, and if asked to see it by police, tell them that it is at my lawyer's office. Why never carry your passport? Police have been known to keep them to extort money, and they've also been known to lose them. This is from very experienced lawyers in Pattaya who have had to deal with the above situations on behalf of clients. I should have mentioned too - even if you have it, don't show it - show a copy instead. My lawyer ? She's at home shredding papaya.. Can't help here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, sanemax said: By asking for 5000 Baht on a non existent law . If the Police want to see your PP , they can take you to the Police station and once you have shown it to them and everything's in order, they will let you go The Police in this instance were just looking for an excuse to get 5000 Baht I'm hoping the op got a receipt for the 500 THB he paid and will post that receipt on the forum so that we can see for ourselves what law the authorities claim he broke. Op? If you don't have a receipt, then close the thread - we're beating a dead horse. If you do have a receipt, let's see if you were taken for a ride, ie, does the receipt match the alleged offense. Otherwise you paid 500 THB not to be delayed or inconvenienced, and you paid it. Myself? Retire - not a lot to do and nowhere particular to go. Might have been fun spending the day trying to get the BIB to issue a receipt to me for not carrying a passport. That would simply have made my day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 5 hours ago, atyclb said: i could understand if i had actually done something wrong and needed a fast way out. police have lost a lot of turf to the army and seem to be hurting. all those night street bars are gone and rental income. army also controls many other businesses now Correct. The authorities have ruined parts of Bangkok and have started on Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 5 hours ago, iReason said: Not only from a different century with an antiquated term, erroneous as well with your question... Negro |ˈnēgrō| dated, often offensive noun (pl. Negroes) a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara. Ongeveer 53.700 resultaten (0,69 seconden) Vertaling van neger- Nederlands Engels neger-, zwart {bn.} Negro neger, zwarte {zn.} Negro I only know that Nicker is offencive so i used the right word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, connda said: I'm hoping the op got a receipt for the 500 THB he paid and will post that receipt on the forum so that we can see for ourselves what law the authorities claim he broke. Op? If you don't have a receipt, then close the thread - we're beating a dead horse. If you do have a receipt, let's see if you were taken for a ride, ie, does the receipt match the alleged offense. Otherwise you paid 500 THB not to be delayed or inconvenienced, and you paid it. Myself? Retire - not a lot to do and nowhere particular to go. Might have been fun spending the day trying to get the BIB to issue a receipt to me for not carrying a passport. That would simply have made my day! yeah right a receipt for extortion. i could have went that road also then at 4AM who knows how much longer they would have detained me at a street corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: If it's a published law it's not extortion. If you are a tourist, indeed you need to carry your passport all the time. If you are registered as living in Thaland, having been noted in a tambien baan, or even having obtained the Thai pink ID-card, the police might order you to show your passport in any police station. Must be a written order! Don't need to carry your passport all the time. Advice from a public prosecutors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 20 hours ago, atyclb said: possible but the tuk tuk ran the police checkpoint and 2 cops on a bike caught up with him. i heard one cop trying to extort 20000 from driver accusing him of using heroin Oh please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, hansnl said: If you are a tourist, indeed you need to carry your passport all the time. If you are registered as living in Thaland, having been noted in a tambien baan, or even having obtained the Thai pink ID-card, the police might order you to show your passport in any police station. Must be a written order! Don't need to carry your passport all the time. Advice from a public prosecutors. Complete bull. Stop spreading fear. BS BS BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 19 hours ago, pumpjack said: take your smart phone out start filming the scene do not be cheeky or get aggresive just politely refuse tell them you have not broke law and you will post the video to youtube they will not be too long in letting you go Oh not a bit aggressive or cheeky filming them eh? I would never support your post . No one should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meinphuket Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 21 hours ago, dfdgfdfdgs said: What type of police? Immigration police or normal police? 21 hours ago, dfdgfdfdgs said: So therein lies the problem. If the driver stopped then this would almost certainly not have happened. Is there such a thing as 'normal' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermoth Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 21 hours ago, sinbin said: Not true. Just refuse to pay. They'll back down. You haven't broken a law. It's not a law and is just straight out extortion. They will back down although their threats will be scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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