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alcoholics - anyone else having problems trying to get semi sober

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2 hours ago, PeCeDe said:

Obviously the degree that your psychiatrist had was not worth the paper it was written on. I strongly hold the opposite view to you and our MD's should be amongst the first people we contact when trying to get sober but mainly for advice on who to get help from, because often many hours of one on one or group therapy are needed and an MD is too busy for that. An MD can also recommend programs such as medically supervised withdrawal, if allowed in your country.

The problem is that doctors are lied to by rummies.  Only another alcoholic can help an alcoholic.

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7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The problem is that doctors are lied to by rummies.  Only another alcoholic can help an alcoholic.

 

 

very true.  even at inhouse rehab, staff will get the alcoholics story then call the family to get the real-true story.   i knew an addiction specialist psychiatrist that himself was in recover.

 

the saying goes "you cant bs to a bull shixxer

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3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not good advice. Doctors know nothing about alcoholism and can't help. Only in detoxing are they useful. They diagnose, not taking into account you're in your early sobriety, where depression, anxiety, paranoia are normal. Thai doctors fill you up with pills, and you eventually get drunk again or become the walking dead. I met the head psychiatrist in a city here to discuss AA, and he told me I could drink again after  5 years abstinence, bloody idiot.

 

 

to the contrary doc's that have trained in treating addiction know tons about alcoholism and some are in fact in recovery themselves.  a non versed-experienced in addiction doc should refer to someone that is.

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On 9/23/2017 at 7:41 PM, craftyhen said:

don't go onto benzos for stopping alcohol

 

everyones different but it made me drink double the amount, and has left me dependent on a drug that literally does nothing

 

exercise is the only way out of it

 

the benzo . librium has long been the gold standard for doing detox but must be professionally monitored.

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The point is he would have made the first step at some point he/she would be reffered to there GP it needs to be registered for any yreatment which may result. However any Doctor worth there salt would refer thr patient to a specialist clinic and give advise on AA meetings in fact he should facilitate a meeting with the AA at the very least very quickly. I know mine did she was Exellent.

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10 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

the benzo . librium has long been the gold standard for doing detox but must be professionally monitored.

I have detoxed myself a hundred times with benzos, but usually diazepam.

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9 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

The point is he would have made the first step at some point he/she would be reffered to there GP it needs to be registered for any yreatment which may result. However any Doctor worth there salt would refer thr patient to a specialist clinic and give advise on AA meetings in fact he should facilitate a meeting with the AA at the very least very quickly. I know mine did she was Exellent.

In Thailand?

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5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

In Thailand?

Why not there are all the services you need here. However personaly i moved back to my home country to recover.

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18 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

 

to the contrary doc's that have trained in treating addiction know tons about alcoholism and some are in fact in recovery themselves.  a non versed-experienced in addiction doc should refer to someone that is.

Not in Thailand.

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4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Not in Thailand.

I know quite a few recovering Alcoholics here who have done this  through the Thai medical system. Despite your constant "not in Thailand" there are some great doctors here.

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3 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

I know quite a few recovering Alcoholics here who have done this  through the Thai medical system. Despite your constant "not in Thailand" there are some great doctors here.

Done what? 

 

The Thai medical system, and ส.ส.ส are the main reason that AA is not spreading like it did in other countries. Thai doctors think they are God, and will never accept a drunk knows more than them or can help another alcoholic better than them. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Done what? 

 

The Thai medical system, and ส.ส.ส are the main reason that AA is not spreading like it did in other countries. Thai doctors think they are God, and will never accept a drunk knows more than them or can help another alcoholic better than them. 

 

 

If you say so you are entitled to your opinion. I just belive your opinion to be wrong.

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3 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

If you say so you are entitled to your opinion. I just belive your opinion to be wrong.

I'd be interested to hear more about your experience with Thai doctors and AA, as I started the first AA meeting in a treatment facility here many years ago, and have been involved with trying to carry the message to the Thai alcoholic for over 15 years. Now, there are more than thirty hospitals with AA meetings and I've met many doctors and nurses from most of them.

Are you an AA member, if so I'd be happy to take you to one of these hospitals as I believe we live near each other?

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50 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'd be interested to hear more about your experience with Thai doctors and AA, as I started the first AA meeting in a treatment facility here many years ago, and have been involved with trying to carry the message to the Thai alcoholic for over 15 years. Now, there are more than thirty hospitals with AA meetings and I've met many doctors and nurses from most of them.

Are you an AA member, if so I'd be happy to take you to one of these hospitals as I believe we live near each other?

If you would have read my post i clearly state i went back to home country. I was a member i suppose i still am of AA but i feel and have done for some years i do no longer need them. But its always good to know they are there if needed.

So you are now saying there are good thai doctors. Slightly confused with your differing stance now

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I have been a sober member since 1984; did service work etc. I now live 150km from  the nearest meeting venue.

In addition, three members in CNX put the dagger in.

I don't miss it although I tried a few on-line meetings.

Now it is not a matter of how many meetings I attend per week but doing the steps & practicing the principles in all my affairs.

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