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alcoholics - anyone else having problems trying to get semi sober

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Jeab 1980 does bring up good points. I belonged to an AA group for many years and brought quite a few drunks into the "fold" and then sadly I lost my grip and was gone for six more excruciating years. I had to fly to the UK to get the treatment I needed, got sober again and returned to Canada and to my original AA group only to be greeted by the most obnoxious group of "Told you so's" you could imagine, people I had nursed into sobriety years prior. AA people can be so pedantic and dare I say uncaring and proud of their accomplishments that they forget where they came from and have absolutely no right to criticize.

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1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

 

i am and always will be an Alcholic the diffrence now is i choose not to drink.

Getting a little heated here!

 

We seek spiritual progress, not perfection, as the big book says.

 

If someone can choose to control or stop drinking, then I believe they don't belong in AA, there are many other routes to quit drinking for them. I lost the power of choice at age 13.

 

Let's remember, as AA members what our primary purpose is - to help the alcoholic that is still suffering.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

How can you be active in a spiritual program with a spiritual solution if you are not spiritual? How can you do the 12 steps to get the necessary spiritual experience? I guess you don't believe in a "higher power".

Basically you are saying that AA is nonsense and you don't go, you can stay sober on your own. Well best of luck, sincerely. Have you ever thought that you might not be an alcoholic?

 

 

did they not say at the meetings  "take what you want and leave the rest" ??

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7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Getting a little heated here!

 

We seek spiritual progress, not perfection, as the big book says.

 

If someone can choose to control or stop drinking, then I believe they don't belong in AA, there are many other routes to quit drinking for them. I lost the power of choice at age 13.

 

Let's remember, as AA members what our primary purpose is - to help the alcoholic that is still suffering.

 

 

 

Again doesnt the AA promote positive power to take control of your own life. To make a choice a comitmet. I know they did for me so therefore your statement is fundementaly floored. I can say after many years sober i can now control whether i have a drink or not. As this is turning into a AA meeting of the god pusher type im gone didnt need it then dont need it now.

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"Trying to get semi sober"
This won't work! If you are an alcoholic there are only two choices or stay alcoholic or quit entirely. "Semi" is not an option.


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12 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

How can you be active in a spiritual program with a spiritual solution if you are not spiritual? How can you do the 12 steps to get the necessary spiritual experience? I guess you don't believe in a "higher power".

Basically you are saying that AA is nonsense and you don't go, you can stay sober on your own. Well best of luck, sincerely. Have you ever thought that you might not be an alcoholic?

Years ago, I drank alcoholically. Then I quit and I haven’t drunk since. I’ve never attended AA, simply because I haven’t had to to stay sober, but I have all the respect in the world for AA and for those who attend and make an effort to work a program.

 

Because I’ve stayed sober and never worked an AA or other program, some people in AA have told me that, therefore, I’m not an alcoholic. To me, whether I’m an “alcoholic” or not is beside the point; all I can say is, if I were to ever drink even just a glass of beer, I have no way of knowing what would happen next. That uncertainty has been all I’ve ever needed to stay sober.

But I wouldn’t recommend the way I’ve done it to anyone who feels he or she might be an alcoholic or a problem drinker; I would wholeheartedly recommend AA -- not necessarily for the “spirituality tools” that AA offers, although those tools have helped countless people, but just to be with other people who want to be sober. And if I ever thought I was seriously close to taking a drink, I would make a beeline for the closest AA meeting I could find.

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1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

Years ago, I drank alcoholically. Then I quit and I haven’t drunk since. I’ve never attended AA, simply because I haven’t had to to stay sober, but I have all the respect in the world for AA and for those who attend and make an effort to work a program.

 

 

Because I’ve stayed sober and never worked an AA or other program, some people in AA have told me that, therefore, I’m not an alcoholic. To me, whether I’m an “alcoholic” or not is beside the point; all I can say is, if I were to ever drink even just a glass of beer, I have no way of knowing what would happen next. That uncertainty has been all I’ve ever needed to stay sober.

But I wouldn’t recommend the way I’ve done it to anyone who feels he or she might be an alcoholic or a problem drinker; I would wholeheartedly recommend AA -- not necessarily for the “spirituality tools” that AA offers, although those tools have helped countless people, but just to be with other people who want to be sober. And if I ever thought I was seriously close to taking a drink, I would make a beeline for the closest AA meeting I could find.

Well said!

 

 

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4 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

Again doesnt the AA promote positive power to take control of your own life. To make a choice a comitmet. I know they did for me so therefore your statement is fundementaly floored. I can say after many years sober i can now control whether i have a drink or not. As this is turning into a AA meeting of the god pusher type im gone didnt need it then dont need it now.

Please listen to the following speaker, if you are offended, you are not one of us. 

https://www.recoveryaudio.org/aa-speaker-tapes/open-discussion-aa-meetings

 

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On 06/10/2017 at 3:40 PM, jeab1980 said:

I am a member once a member always a member you dont have to show up at every meeting. I know they are there if i need them. There are like you pwople who like to pass on there knowledge at meetings there are also.people like me who will help in anyway i can outside of the meetings. I have helped or at least i hope i have over the years to those who reach out for help.

How long is it since you went to a meeting of AA?

I'm confused how people reach out for help to you, how do they find you?

Do you never feel a responsibility to give back what was given to you?

Grateful alcoholics don't go to meetings because they like to pass on the knowledge.

Still recovering after 35 years?!!

Work the steps dude, then you will be recovered. I assume you haven't, but apologize if wrong.

 

 

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On 06/10/2017 at 11:49 PM, PeCeDe said:

Jeab 1980 does bring up good points

Can you point out one?

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On 07/10/2017 at 8:16 AM, jeab1980 said:

Again doesnt the AA promote positive power to take control of your own life. To make a choice a comitmet. I know they did for me so therefore your statement is fundementaly floored. I can say after many years sober i can now control whether i have a drink or not. As this is turning into a AA meeting of the god pusher type im gone didnt need it then dont need it now.

Absolutely not! Man, you say you have been an AA member for 35 years but never read the AA Big book.

 "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him." 

 

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On 07/10/2017 at 1:12 PM, MrPatrickThai said:

Please listen to the following speaker, if you are offended, you are not one of us. 

https://www.recoveryaudio.org/aa-speaker-tapes/open-discussion-aa-meetings

 

Thanks for the link. Strong message.

I know many that call themselves AA members who would be offended listening to that. 

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24 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Still recovering after 35 years?!!

Work the steps dude, then you will be recovered. I assume you haven't, but apologize if wrong.

 

 

Everything that I’ve read and heard about alcoholism (which is a lot) teaches that one is an alcoholic for life; there is no “cure” available. One can be sober for thirty years and still be “in recovery.” Another way to look at is, alcoholism is a condition that is exacerbated by drinking. It’s happened countless times that an alcoholic has been sober for decades, had one drink, and been right back where he was before he stopped drinking or worse, in just a matter of days.

One could argue perhaps that to say you are “in recovery” after thirty years of sobriety is a semantic trick, a way of looking at it that keeps you on guard. But to claim that you are a “recovered” alcoholic is hubris.

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3 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Everything that I’ve read and heard about alcoholism (which is a lot) teaches that one is an alcoholic for life; there is no “cure” available. One can be sober for thirty years and still be “in recovery.” Another way to look at is, alcoholism is a condition that is exacerbated by drinking. It’s happened countless times that an alcoholic has been sober for decades, had one drink, and been right back where he was before he stopped drinking or worse, in just a matter of days.

One could argue perhaps that to say you are “in recovery” after thirty years of sobriety is a semantic trick, a way of looking at it that keeps you on guard. But to claim that you are a “recovered” alcoholic is hubris.

Try going to an AA meeting, you'll learn a lot about the disease.

I wonder what the big book says, recovered or recovering?

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