Aditi Sharma Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I offer my prayers for the deceased and my heartfelt condolences to his loved ones. I personally do not think this was a suicide but an act of murder. It will be very difficult to find the murderer because the crime scene appears to have been 'dressed up'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said: I offer my prayers for the deceased and my heartfelt condolences to his loved ones. I personally do not think this was a suicide but an act of murder. It will be very difficult to find the murderer because the crime scene appears to have been 'dressed up'. The real CSI have arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice777 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Isn't there a simple test to pick up gun powder on someones hand to see if they have fired a gun recently? Do the Thai police do this? Or am I being stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2u Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 10 hours ago, AGareth2 said: PAD should have had an operation Thank you, but medication, dietary prudence, and exercise, are often sufficient. The *why* of checking out can not be assumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 45 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said: I offer my prayers for the deceased and my heartfelt condolences to his loved ones. I personally do not think this was a suicide but an act of murder. It will be very difficult to find the murderer because the crime scene appears to have been 'dressed up'. Amazing, only one photo and very limited info, how did you work it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyShadow Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 9 hours ago, Morakot said: Absurd legal system, where the police and not coroners (or court-appointed medical examiners) make pronouncements about causes of deaths. With idiot farang killing themselves daily mostly due to bar girls and alcoholism I side with the bib, throw them in the back of a pick up and off to the crematorium!! What an embarrassment and no wonder thais think we are weird. However this one does seem to be health related. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 11 hours ago, worgeordie said: " and a spent casing", from a revolver ? regards worgeordie I was thinking the same thing... I presume they meant the spent casing was found in the revolver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2u Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, juice777 said: Isn't there a simple test to pick up gun powder on someones hand to see if they have fired a gun recently? Do the Thai police do this? Or am I being stupid 1. Yes, but not so simple . . and YMMV. 2. Your guess is as good as another's. 3. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, juice777 said: Isn't there a simple test to pick up gun powder on someones hand to see if they have fired a gun recently? Do the Thai police do this? Or am I being stupid Hardly simple but a scanning electron microscope equipped with an energy dispersive X-ray spectrometer is all the equipment that is needed, cheap ones only cost about $100,000, no doubt they are available to use in Thailand somewhere. They used to use a kit that gave an instant result but it was massively inaccurate so in Western countries they prefer to go for the spectrum analysis method, that way not only can they ascertain that there is one rare element that is found in most gun powders on the hand like the kit did and so most likely that they have fired a gun recently, but they can actually match the residue to the spent cartridge or even sometimes the dust found in the bullet wound. But I doubt that police anywhere would bother in a case such as this unless there were suspicions of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Between romantic rivals, in-laws in a hurry for the inheritance, disgruntled neighbors, plain vanilla burglars and loan sharks wanting to send a message, I can think of about a dozen ways this could have been a murder even if his wife loved him like the dickens and had nothing to do with it. Or, it may have been a suicide. Or maybe his wife didn't fess up like the other lady who just murdered her foreign husband then turned herself in... If his family is tuned in here, I'm hoping they get the sense that they should be asking questions, and not just accepting the police report. I have no clue what happened. Without an investigation, neither do the police. And they didn't do a thorough investigation in less than 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, juice777 said: Isn't there a simple test to pick up gun powder on someones hand to see if they have fired a gun recently? Do the Thai police do this? Or am I being stupid Yes there is a very simple test but the baboons around here are either to lazy or want to hide the real facts to learn how to do it, because if they did do a test along with other forensics the place would get a bad name, which it has with many of late anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyShadow Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Just imagine if there was a male thai tourist boom in your home town and all of a sudden they started jumping and wrist slitting, hanging etc would you really want your police force stretching their resources and doing expensive testing on every single suicide? Yep didn't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 The neighbours heard a shot from his bungalow whilst his wife was at the market so they went to see what had happened They found the Frenchman dead in his wheelchair so they called the police. No mention of anybody seeing anyone running away from the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 6 hours ago, dunque said: The report does not mention a revolver - the picture is obviously illustrative and probably not the real scene. The photo was taken by Thai Rath newspaper,so good chance it was the actual scene. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 11 hours ago, worgeordie said: " and a spent casing", from a revolver ? regards worgeordie Yeah. I haven't shot a revolver in decades, but my old .38 from my Air Force Days did not eject casings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, juice777 said: Isn't there a simple test to pick up gun powder on someones hand to see if they have fired a gun recently? Do the Thai police do this? Or am I being stupid Residue testing is pretty standard. But from what I have seen of Thai investigation scenes, there can be literally dozens of people wandering around including un controlled press and photo people. Things never looked very well organized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 11 hours ago, worgeordie said: " and a spent casing", from a revolver ? regards worgeordie .357 ammo is not only shot by revolvers. but considering the photo... probably a poor translation - " On the floor was a .357 gun and a spent casing inside. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, bannork said: The neighbours heard a shot from his bungalow whilst his wife was at the market so they went to see what had happened They found the Frenchman dead in his wheelchair so they called the police. No mention of anybody seeing anyone running away from the house. Ah right, so the neighbours did it. RIP Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Duck Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Depression, probably the deadliest disease of all. My sympathies to the family RIP frenchman, some believe there will be no peace for you. I hope there is, you have already survived enough hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madusa Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 12 hours ago, nursebob said: that hand gun seems a long way from the body? It's possible because if you read he shot himself in the forehead, when you hold the pistol to the forehead it is kind of difficult to pull the trigger, you need to really press hard on the trigger and when it fires the gun would fling from his hand sending the pistol quite a distance away. My conjecture not saying I am right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aditi Sharma Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said: Amazing, only one photo and very limited info, how did you work it out? I was able to see the reflection of the dead person on the shiny floor by magnifying the pic. The attitude of his body signified an artificial posture which could not have been naturally assumed; and a man at death would not feign it, you see, and definitely not one of a person who has killed himself. Upon closer inspection of the floor, the placement of the pistol in the foreground, I had no doubt that this was not a natural scene. I hope the photo belonged to the deceased Frenchman. It would only be polite to call this a suicide at this stage. And I very much regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said: I was able to see the reflection of the dead person on the shiny floor by magnifying the pic. The attitude of his body signified an artificial posture which could not have been naturally assumed; and a man at death would not feign it, you see, and definitely not one of a person who has killed himself. Upon closer inspection of the floor, the placement of the pistol in the foreground, I had no doubt that this was not a natural scene. I hope the photo belonged to the deceased Frenchman. It would only be polite to call this a suicide at this stage. And I very much regret it. You been watching too much Poirot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't know why my post was removed. Are we not allowed to speculate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 hours ago, overherebc said: Plus it's a revolver. A Gun has wheels. ?? Quote gunnoun [ C ] UK /ɡʌn/ US /ɡʌn/ B1 a weapon that bullets or shells (= explosive containers) are fired from: The British police do not carry guns. You could hear the noise of guns firing in the distance. in sport, a device that makes a very loud sudden noise as a signal tostart a race: At the gun, the runners sprinted away down the track. a device that you hold in your hand and use for sending out a liquidor object: a spray gun See also staple gun hired gun mainly us informal a person who is paid to shoot and kill someone Just to correct you. Cannot be bothered to respond to all the wan*ers on this thread. A simple report completely misinterpreted by all the so called 'experts' here. RIP old feller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFriend You Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I am hoping he is tested for GSR as well as the wife............but me thinks BIB has already ruled this a suicide, case closed. Rest in Peace Old one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 His wife will doubtless insist on an independent post-mortem examination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 3 hours ago, madusa said: It's possible because if you read he shot himself in the forehead, when you hold the pistol to the forehead it is kind of difficult to pull the trigger, you need to really press hard on the trigger and when it fires the gun would fling from his hand sending the pistol quite a distance away. My conjecture not saying I am right. If he was holding the revolver backwards by the butt and pointing the barrel at his forehead, it is quite likely that it would recoil and send the handgun in a forward direction. Especially if it were lightly grasped. And a small-framed revolver in .38 Special or .357 can have substantial recoil as well as muzzle rise. A typical revolver has a very light trigger pull if the hammer is cocked. Scary light in a lot of cases. It would be so easy to push the trigger with one's thumb in the forehead scenario. I'm not an expert, just your average crazy American with 20 firearms and several thousand rounds of ammunition acquired over the last 50 years. I'm sorry to hear of this family's troubles and the way things worked out. Depression is indeed a terrible thing. Ill health, hopelessness ... done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Any of you thai police experts ever investigate suicide and are trained as police investigators? Or are you just naturally so brilliant that you can espouse what others should do? Or are you drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drgoon Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 16 hours ago, transam said: Having owned a .357 l reckon in this case the gun would have flown, but perhaps he used a .38 round, probably would still have flown. They will only be a spent casing inside the gun. Would be a weee bit awkward to shoot oneself in the forehead, would have thought the temple was the easiest.... Could have used his thumb on the trigger.. but yes, difficult with the first finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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