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I have just been given the run around up the garden path today at Chaengwattana.  I have a GRO (General Registry Office) officially certified copy of a UK birth certificate, Immigration refused to accept that and insisted that I need to get the birth certificate certified by the British Embassy, and then get it stamped by the MFA afterwards.  The trouble is, I just looked at the British Embassy's website and it clearly says they don't do that any more:

 

"We are unable to certify photocopies of British marriage, divorce, criminal record, name change, birth and death certificates, as these should be applied for through the General Register Office."

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-and-documentary-services-guide-for-thailand#make-a-certified-copy-of-a-document

 

I already spoke to the "boss lady" at Immigration today who referred me to her apparent superiors on the matter.  They mulled over the GRO copy of the birth cert and concluded that they want me to get the British Embassy to certify it.  The thing is, I was not aware at the time that the UK Embassy does not certify birth certs anymore - should have done my homework on that.

 

The thing to do I guess is to call the UK Embassy to double check, then go back to Immigration and talk them into accepting my GRO copy of the birth cert.

 

If anyone else has any good info I should know on this front, I'd appreciate it.

 

BTW, I did go to the MFA too to try to get a copy of the GRO birth cert stamped but they wouldn't do it without the UK Embassy leaving their mark first.

 

 

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@kidizen The correct way to obtain a copy of your birth certificate is by following the legalisation process I have linked to. To be honest it sounds like a bit if a nightmare.

 

Try and find another solution to avoid the international paper chase.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/461072/legalisation_infographic.pdf

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/461071/Legalising_a_signature_or_seal_final_Sept_15.pdf

 

Retrieved from:

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-and-documentary-services-guide-for-thailand#make-a-certified-copy-of-a-document

 

 

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6 hours ago, kidizen said:

"We are unable to certify photocopies of British marriage, divorce, criminal record, name change, birth and death certificates, as these should be applied for through the General Register Office."

Thanks for the legalisation info.  The process is way convoluted and I don't have the time. 

 

My understanding is that certifying photocopies means certifying that the photocopy is a true copy of the original when sight of the original is provided, which I can do.  Surely "these should be applied for through the General Register Office" suggests that the GRO copy should suffice."

 

It is also my understanding that Immigration only wants the British Embassy to authenticate the birth cert somehow and they are not asking for an apostilled copy of the birth certificate, or they would say so officially in writing.  The legalisation process is tantamount to getting an apostilled copy of the birth certificate.

 

The thing is, I have already got the non-O visa and extended it for a year with the GRO birth cert.

 

Just called British Embassy but they are still closed at 8:15.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, kidizen said:

The thing is, I have already got the non-O visa and extended it for a year with the GRO birth cert.

What kind of extension are you trying to apply for?

Mentioning a birth certificate makes me think you are trying to get an extension for your child.

Legalization of the birth certificate (marriage also) is nothing new.  Same for the UK embassy not certifying documents.

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13 minutes ago, kidizen said:

My understanding is that certifying photocopies means certifying that the photocopy is a true copy of the original when sight of the original is provided, which I can do.  Surely "these should be applied for through the General Register Office" suggests that the GRO copy should suffice."

Just called British Embassy and the Consular lady did confirm exactly the wording from the website " We are unable to certify photocopies of British marriage, divorce, criminal record, name change, birth and death certificates, as these should be applied for through the General Register Office."

 

 

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13 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

What kind of extension are you trying to apply for?

Mentioning a birth certificate makes me think you are trying to get an extension for your child.

Legalization of the birth certificate (marriage also) is nothing new.  Same for the UK embassy not certifying documents.

Non-O for child based on my Non-O Retirement. 

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Thanks for the legalisation info.  The process is way convoluted and I don't have the time. 
 
My understanding is that certifying photocopies means certifying that the photocopy is a true copy of the original when sight of the original is provided, which I can do.  Surely "these should be applied for through the General Register Office" suggests that the GRO copy should suffice."
 
It is also my understanding that Immigration only wants the British Embassy to authenticate the birth cert somehow and they are not asking for an apostilled copy of the birth certificate, or they would say so officially in writing.  The legalisation process is tantamount to getting an apostilled copy of the birth certificate.
 
The thing is, I have already got the non-O visa and extended it for a year with the GRO birth cert.
 
Just called British Embassy but they are still closed at 8:15.
 
 
 

It's not really convoluted. Just mail everything (DHL or similar) to the UK Legalisation office, with return address envelopes. It does however take a few weeks. The Legalisation office has a website.

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2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:


It's not really convoluted. Just mail everything (DHL or similar) to the UK Legalisation office, with return address envelopes. It does however take a few weeks. The Legalisation office has a website.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Thanks.  I don't have several weeks this time so will have to see if they will accept the GRO birth cert.

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14 minutes ago, kidizen said:

Non-O for child based on my Non-O Retirement. 

You are stating this is not the first time your applied for the extension. Where did you apply for the extension before. Looking back a your posting history I don't think it was at Chaeng Wattana immigration.

You may have to start all over again by getting another non-o visa for your child at a nearby embassy or consulate. Then apply for the the extension after you get their birth certificate legalized in the UK.

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I extended in Chiang Mai last time. Going to Chaengwattana this am. Will update.

 

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7 minutes ago, kidizen said:

I extended in Chiang Mai last time.

They apparently didn't notice the birth certificate was not legalized or were not enforcing the rule.

Chaeng Wattana has been strict about wanting it for a few years now.

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Becuase the Immigration specifically ask you to get a stamp from the Brittish Embassy, any other legal path is useless. You need to personally go to the Brittish Embassy and plead for them to put a stamp on the document. Just because they say something on their website does not necessarily prevent them from having a bit of humanity, understanding, and compassion.

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7 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

Becuase the Immigration specifically ask you to get a stamp from the Brittish Embassy, any other legal path is useless. You need to personally go to the Brittish Embassy and plead for them to put a stamp on the document. Just because they say something on their website does not necessarily prevent them from having a bit of humanity, understanding, and compassion.

People have already tried begging for it to be done at the UK embassy with no positive results.

At one time they would allow a person to a statement that it was true and correct that immigration would accept but a few years ago they stopped doing that. 

When immigration says the embassy it is because many countries embassies will do it. That does not mean they will not accept the legalization done in the UK.

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