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Anyone want to add to this list of only a few reasons why the Westerners are not coming in the numbers they did in say 2005?
 
Overly strong Baht.
Too many scams.
Blinkered tourist board courting the wrong nationalities  i.e. now over run with Chinese, Indians, Middle Eastern, Madagascans ?
Not listening to advise from Westerners already in LoS.
Filthy beaches and Sois.
As mentioned, bag snatching.
Brutal unprovoked assaults.
Deadly roads.
Ineffective Policing combined with corruption.
Unsafe balconies........
Junta.
Restrictive legitimate Visas for extended periods.
Obese gogo dancers and bar girls...............
 
 
 
How about people focusing on the negative things on the Internet.

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5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And why are they not able to attract the Western tourists, like they used to? 

 

Again, this is a situation where nobody is attempting to get to the root of the problem. Of course, in Thai society, it is not particularly popular to look within for the source of the problem.

 

I think perhaps a few decades from now, they will have tourism classes at university, where they will discuss how Thailand lost the golden egg of Western tourism. Those tourists, unlike most Chinese tourists, spent anywhere from $100 a day, to over $2,000 a day. They brought real money into the country, and in exchange, were treated with utter and complete disregard, scammed, disrespected, and abused. Eventually, most said no more. Thailand thought the country was something very special, and that nobody would ever say no, or find alternative places to visit. The fact is that there are countless other spots, many in this region, that offer better service, more expertise in food and beverage (especially wine service and selection at fair prices, which rich tourists demand), reasonable import duties to sustain a luxury goods market, better training, and far better english skills. Thailand simply lost sight of the big picture, and had very little vision, with regard to big spending tourists, who need to be catered to, instead of scorned.  

 

So, what happened? The Western tourists started to decline in number, and the genius minds at the TAT decided it was time to "lure" the Chinese. They came. They came in droves. But, they did not spend much money. Hotels, restaurants, gift shops, jewelers, galleries, spas, massage shops, bars, and countless other businesses suffered, and will continue to suffer from this extreme myopia, on the part of the officials in charge of tourism. Oh well. Can't say they were not warned. Zero baht tourists are perhaps the majority who visit Thailand now. Sure, they spend some money in restaurants, and in 7/11. But, that is about it, for some of the super low budget Chinese tours. Not many rich Chinese are not visiting Thailand, for a dozen good reasons. They have too many other options.

 

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists. The very first thing would be to repeal the anti faring wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that would be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of 460%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here.

 

I was recently with a group of friends, and we wanted to order a bottle of wine, at of one of those high end restaurants in the EmQuartier complex. It was Bella Rocca Restaurant. I asked about a 2011 Chianti they had on the list. I was told they were out of stock. I asked about a Barbaresco, at 2,600 baht. Again, out of stock. How about this Nebbiolo? Do you have the 2010, as stated on the list? No, we only have the 2015. OK, what is that wine like? Is it drinking well now? I do not know. Is there anyone here that is familiar with this wine list? No. Sorry sir. Wait a minute. You have 100 bottles on this list, ranging from 1200 baht to 10,000 baht per bottle, and NOBODY who works here knows anything about the wine? Are you serious? We all just looked at each other, and got up and walked out. We realized the restaurant was a pretender. And more than likely the food was marginal at best. It was all dressed up to look like a very nice Italian restaurant. But, it appeared to be only window dressing. High end tourists have little patience for that lack of quality and lack of service. 

 

But again, the lack of vision, combined with a naive, surly, silly, churlish, and ignorant sense of nationalism, bites the country in the butt. And again, who is the loser? The Thai people. 

The entire country is suffering from a declining tourism industry. And that will not change. It is a permanent declining trend. For a hundred valid reasons.

 

Little P. Moving Thailand backwards at a breath taking, alarming and astonishing pace. Not making Thailand great again. 

 

The country has been suffering a declining tourism industry in your dreams. That will not change. In reality, the trend has been quite positive. The Golden Egg Layers of old simply ran out of golden eggs but that elephant in the room always gets ignored for the sake of bashing about whatever. Wine.  

 

Same post already responded to here:

 

 

And that's today's Whither Thailand doom prophecy except we've added a rant about the price of wine. We'll add that to the large pile.

 

I think perhaps a few decades from now, they will have tourism classes at university, where they will discuss the TVF Poster Golden Egg Theory Of Thai Economics along with the Flat Earth theory. You seem still not familiar yourself with classical Golden Egg Theory, its history and underpinnings, with crucial related concepts such as Fixed Pie, but a brief summary, distilled from years of ace economic analyses, is found here.

 

A video of a motorbike trip from Jomtien to Pattaya in 1994:

 

 

It was in the heyday of the great Golden Egg Layers, the quality tourists, i.e., the "naughty mongers," the economic powerhouses behind Pattaya's now-vanished prosperity, the great jobs creators, who were "put off" and left for Cambodia etc. where they're wanted. It was before visa fees had risen, the Big Bang that sent Thailand back to the Stone Age. Before the crash of 1997. Before the Perpetual Pattaya Death Spiral!

 

So then, according to myth, booming Pattaya had no abandoned or unfinished buildings. No shophouses were closed. No cracks in the clean streets or sidewalks. Walking and jogging, recently whinged about by one of our members who's been unable to jog for probably decades, on the promenade was then so easy. No motorbikes were parked on that promenade. No delicate aesthetic sensibilities were offended by unsightly clutter. What a paradise.

 

Ha! What a TON of closed shophouses everywhere. Unfinished buildings. Dirt & cracks. Cars, even boats, parked on & blocking the promenade. HUGE mess on the beach side as you approach WS. Traffic. Cop enforcing a one-way. Whole place looks like it really was in an economic depression! Now compare Pattaya as it is today, 4 times larger, after 20 years of dire prophecy (starting in the Pattaya Mail). HUH? Now I'm beginning to lose some faith in our doomsters. IS IT POSSIBLE WE HAVE BEEN MISLEAD?

 

And Chinese do spend quite a lot, just not in beer bars. This has been demonstrated with objective evidence and discussed previously. We probably don't need another repetition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 9:57 PM, ezflip said:

To follow up on my previous post - If Americans are truly dead-set on being scammed and fleeced, they might as well go south of their own border. No jet-lag, airfare is cheaper, plenty of spicy food and the beer/tequila is the same.

 

Otherwise, for near enough the same airfare price, going to Vietnam is a much better deal.

You're just jealous us Americans are so loved.:burp:

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On 11/27/2017 at 2:02 PM, chrisandsu said:

Americans are not big travellers at all

why travel when in one country they have the 4 climates almost every month of the year, every nationality, snow skiing and surfing can be done in many cities within the country, good roads to travel, honest people, no scams or attitudes

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9 hours ago, pattayadude said:

why travel when in one country they have the 4 climates almost every month of the year, every nationality, snow skiing and surfing can be done in many cities within the country, good roads to travel, honest people, no scams or attitudes

where is this country......:whistling:

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On 11/27/2017 at 1:02 PM, chrisandsu said:

I think whomever wants the Americans back must be remembering with nostalgia the Vietnam war ! Americans are not big travellers at all ! I think they are getting confused with europeans . Plus Mexico does not have decently women . Anything over 30 (most are in pattaya now ) in Mexico are normaly overweight and have a shed load of kids .

Yes, absolutely. The Thais have never been much good at stuff outside of Thailand, and to them one white face is the same as the next. What they really mean is the Europeans and the Aussies (not counting the cheap Charlie gap-year backpacker kids, of course . . . )

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On 11/27/2017 at 12:38 AM, Just1Voice said:

Thailand has destroyed their tourist image for the good tourists who come and spend money, with all the jacked up dual pricing, piss poor attitudes, total lack of language skills, rip off prices, and high crime.  The "cream" has been scraped from the top, so now all they're left with is the dregs.  And no one but themselves to blame. 

 

Agreed...now Thailand looks for Chinese and Indian tourists (great move for the India to Thailand air BTW. Obvious that Thailand is hard up for tourists, yet Thai natives have an aversion to them. So either you can be less dependent upon tourists. or you suck it up with an animosity. I don't know what is the proper course.

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4 minutes ago, TMNH said:

Agreed...now Thailand looks for Chinese and Indian tourists (great move for the India to Thailand air BTW. Obvious that Thailand is hard up for tourists, yet Thai natives have an aversion to them. So either you can be less dependent upon tourists. or you suck it up with an animosity. I don't know what is the proper course.

My point- thanks for your agreement.

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....and they're trying to run all the Western expats off with "income proof", that involves hiring a "visa agency" to renew your Extension of Stay for around a thousand bucks. Right now, I have a year until my next renewal. At that time, I need to choose between  the Philippines, Cambodia or Vietnam. Hate to leave but they give us little choice.

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