webfact Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Lift plunges after Chinese tour group push and shove their way in Picture: Daily News Thai media reported that several Chinese people were injured when an overloaded lift plunged after a tour group returned from a day out at a plush Chiang Mai hotel. Thai Rath said the tourists pushed and shoved their way into the lift overfilling it from the prescribed 10 persons. There were 15 in the lift. It fell but fortunately did not smash into the ground. Five people were injured mostly with cuts and were taken to Maharat Nakorn Hospital for treatment. The hotel was not named. The lift was shut down as the hotel ordered repairs to be made. A Chiang Mai police team led by Adul Somsuay and tourism cops were on the scene Monday. Source: Daily News -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-11-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidedog Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Som nam na. Stupidity and impatience have a price. The hotel operator should give them the bill for the repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Was it a Chinese made lift !, if the lift was overloaded surely it would not work,due to safety system,if fitted !, cable snapped ?,important to not mention name of hotel,must save face. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I am so so glad the hotel ordered repair to the lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf99 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 yet another lift falling in LoS.......... The real safety systems in a lift should make it impossible for it to move never mind fall. There was a report of an escalator falling apart the other day ! Reminds me of when I was "on the tools" working with Indians and Arabs. I could get 3 or 4 more turns on a bolt, nut or screw more than any of them. They are made of gristle not muscle. I think the Thais are pretty much the same and probably never use torque wrenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 They got it wrong, Chinese do not push and shove, they are a civilised race, especially at the breakfast buffet of the 5 star hotels we have stayed at 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I tend to avoid escalators and elevators in Thailand whenever possible. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emanphoto Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 In Japan the elevators sound a warning and will not move if overloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, darksidedog said: Som nam na. Stupidity and impatience have a price. The hotel operator should give them the bill for the repairs. And what if the instructions how to use the lift were not written in chinese characters and the tourists couldn't read english? Usually there'll be a beeper-alarm for when it's overloaded. But if that's ignored or not understood than who's to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 i'm no engineer but common sense would suggest lifts have a fail safe mechanism so in the event of overloading/malfunction a brake is applied so the lift will not move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, samsensam said: i'm no engineer but common sense would suggest lifts have a fail safe mechanism so in the event of overloading/malfunction a brake is applied so the lift will not move? They do. There will be an audible alarm if the maximum weight is exceeded and the lift will not work. But if you overload the lift enough then the cable will break and the lift will fall a short distance before the safety lock kicks in. This also happens if the lift speed exceeds a specific maximum for whatever reason. It seems that this is what happened in this case. These Chinese people are still idiots though. Talk about born in a barn. Born on the floor of a barn more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, Thian said: Usually there'll be a beeper-alarm for when it's overloaded. But if that's ignored or not understood than who's to blame? Put 15 people into an elevator designed for 10 and it should be pretty obvious that it's overloaded. And how stupid do you need to be not to understand a warning buzzer, or to ignore it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 59 minutes ago, darksidedog said: Som nam na. Stupidity and impatience have a price. The hotel operator should give them the bill for the repairs. What about the first few people that got in, i.e. before the lift became unsafe, does 'som nam na' apply to them as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, KittenKong said: They do. There will be an audible alarm if the maximum weight is exceeded and the lift will not work. But if you overload the lift enough then the cable will break and the lift will fall a short distance before the safety lock kicks in. This also happens if the lift speed exceeds a specific maximum for whatever reason. It seems that this is what happened in this case. These Chinese people are still idiots though. Talk about born in a barn. Born on the floor of a barn more likely. Don't talk about barns. These are people born under the long ancient Chinese culture all washed away by that Little Red Book. You don't see the same behaviour in those Chinese born without that Little Red Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, KittenKong said: Put 15 people into an elevator designed for 10 and it should be pretty obvious that it's overloaded. And how stupid do you need to be not to understand a warning buzzer, or to ignore it? Not really overloaded, just 150% in terms of count, which is virtually nothing because not all the people weight the same. Safety factor in cable can be 11 or 12, mean it can sustain 100 people. And it did not really crashed, we don;t know if there was a warning in place and if it was working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taipan1949 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, KittenKong said: Put 15 people into an elevator designed for 10 and it should be pretty obvious that it's overloaded. And how stupid do you need to be not to understand a warning buzzer, or to ignore it? All of them looking at each other thinking "what the hell is that noise???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Bet there were some skidmarks!! Not because it falling, because they were using it as a toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Mind the door please . . . Going down . . . Holy-shits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Truth be told, I'm quite impressed this does happen very often (or maybe we just don't hear of it). I'll try to notice where the elevator was made while I'm standing inside of it, about 15 years ago most of the elevators I rode in Thailand were from Europe (Germany in particular) and Japan. I'll hazard a guess China is in the elevator business now. It's been a while since I was a student, but I recall an engineering prof saying that the posted maximum load of an elevator is actually half of what the car can handle: I'll assume he was talking about in the U.S. Yes, an overweight alarm that disables the doors from closing is fairly normal in the Modern World. This is a sign in the Kowloon Mansions. And I recall if the car was overweight an alarm would go off and the doors would not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: They got it wrong, Chinese do not push and shove, they are a civilised race, especially at the breakfast buffet of the 5 star hotels we have stayed at 555 It's all to do with upbringing. Thailand's at risk of going the same way, until the populace - both old and young - feel that there is a respected government in control of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, greatwhitenorth said: It's a shame it didn't plunge 30 floors before stopping abruptly in the basement. Why? It isn't only Chinese that cram into lifts. I have been in many lifts in Thailand where they cram as many people in as possible. It seems there is "always room for one more" even though the alarm rings. I must admit I get worried sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhitenorth Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, petedk said: Why? It isn't only Chinese that cram into lifts. I have been in many lifts in Thailand where they cram as many people in as possible. It seems there is "always room for one more" even though the alarm rings. I must admit I get worried sometimes. Don't worry there are plenty more where they came from and they won't be missed. If the buzzer started to ring I would push my way out and mutter loud enough for them to hear that I thought they were <deleted> animals. To each his own I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ossy said: It's all to do with upbringing. Thailand's at risk of going the same way, until the populace - both old and young - feel that there is a respected government in control of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 "Sorry" seems to be the hardest word. . .....................Unless you're Chinese, then it's "squirrel"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckThai Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 555 Alarms and safeties disabled/bypassed after too many resets, and costly calls to lift (elevator company) technicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwinfc Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 let them pay for the repair bill. they misused the lift, broke it, so they should pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGS1244 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Luckily the safety system did work, hence not hitting the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spermwhale Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: They got it wrong, Chinese do not push and shove, they are a civilised race, especially at the breakfast buffet of the 5 star hotels we have stayed at 555 I've seen Chinese at a 5-star hotel breakfast buffet go and clear a whole plate of some food from the buffet stand just slide iit all onto their plate, look at me with a look like "haha beat you to it." Greedy pigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, darksidedog said: Som nam na. Stupidity and impatience have a price. The hotel operator should give them the bill for the repairs. where was the hotel security and the other staff who are usually hanging around the lobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.