simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, roobaa01 said: most antisemitic crimes in germany are carried out in the name of allah for the koran terror bible supports it. in france 40.000 jews have left since 2006 cause most antisemitic violence were exerted by muslims. hence the most dangerous matter to western society is antisemitic islam faschism combined with hatred against jews. in this context german parliament is going to pass a law to deport muslims committing antisemitic crimes. wbr roobaa01 Please provide verification of your claims, which so far you never do so. However, a counter claim from Jewish media... Germany’s parliament voted to establish a commissioner to deal with anti-Semitism in the country. Four mainstream parties endorsed the proposal, which noted that while most anti-Semitic crime in Germany is attributable to the far right, there are increased concerns about anti-Semitism among recent refugees and migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. https://www.jta.org/2018/01/18/news-opinion/world/germany-to-bring-in-an-anti-semitism-monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: the most stunning matter the whole left wing party "die linke" in german parliament abstained from voting in favor of the proposed antisemitic crime law motion, hence are they antisemitic ??? wbr roobaa01 Read the link provided by Simple1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Millions of 'Brits' are Muslims these days though, as long as it suits them to be called that of course (Unfortunately ) including The Lord Major of London (Istan)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 In which case, deport them to the most likely country of origin. I'm sure there are experts in language that can point the right direction. But we then enter the 'originating country refuses to accept them'.... Far more difficult a problem, but (genuine question) how often does this happen?‘Ditching their passports’ ?Very very often in UK.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 german links as sources are not permitted acc. to forum rules. if the moderation allows me to post german links, i willl do so to substantiate my claims. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said: (Unfortunately ) including The Lord Major of London (Istan) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You liked his predecessor more I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 You liked his predecessor more I guess?Or the one before that!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, DILLIGAD said: Good point but to where? Most ditch their passports for exactly that reason. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To the country they came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, roobaa01 said: german links as sources are not permitted acc. to forum rules. wbr roobaa01 Surely you mean "links in German"? Anyway, the link is still there, so educate yourself a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, simple1 said: One assumes you know the definition of a 'refugee'. From the OP it indicates 90% of the 10% rise in violent crime for the period of the report is committed by so called 'economic refugees' i.e. rejected asylum seekers in Germany. Reports also indicate a fair amount of the violence is actually between asylum seekers. It noted, however, that migrants settling from war-torn countries such as Syria were much less likely to commit violent crimes that those from other places who were unlikely to be given asylum. Your question on which countries Germany has finalised government to government agreements for the return of deportees is available via Google. Below is a search for you on another matter regards those scheduled for deportation. "As German police attempt to deport refugees, hundreds of churches are trying to shelter them" EXACTLY! Way too many 'refugees' are actually nothing of the sort, and those claiming refugee status are immediately allowed entry.... If they commit crimes thereafter and are caught, no problem, just (possibly time in jail) and they are still allowed to remain in the country.... Edit - and yes, I'm perfectly capable of making the distinction between genuine refugees, and economic migrants.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 To the country they came from. Do you mean as in ‘The United States of Europe’?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, simple1 said: Please provide verification of your claims, which so far you never do so. However, a counter claim from Jewish media... Germany’s parliament voted to establish a commissioner to deal with anti-Semitism in the country. Four mainstream parties endorsed the proposal, which noted that while most anti-Semitic crime in Germany is attributable to the far right, there are increased concerns about anti-Semitism among recent refugees and migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. https://www.jta.org/2018/01/18/news-opinion/world/germany-to-bring-in-an-anti-semitism-monitor I would put Muslims in the "far right' category. They oppose abortion, homosexuality, and sex outside marriage. They also support heavy penalties for criminals. All right wing policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said: Do you mean as in ‘The United States of Europe’? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ? I mean if they left the shores of Libya in a leaky boat to get to Europe, they should be deported to Libya, albeit in a better boat, or by air. Libya let them in, in the first place, so it's their problem what to do with them when deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, dick dasterdly said: EXACTLY! Way too many 'refugees' are actually nothing of the sort, and those claiming refugee status are immediately allowed entry.... If they commit crimes thereafter and are caught, no problem, just (possibly time in jail) and they are still allowed to remain in the country.... Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, simple1 said: Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective Germany doesn't have to verify anyone unless they arrived by plane. They could just insist that the country they crossed to get to Germany keeps them. Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I would put Muslims in the "far right' category. They oppose abortion, homosexuality, and sex outside marriage. They also support heavy penalties for criminals. All right wing policies. You may well be on the opinion, but it's obvious to whom the reports refers and it ain't Muslims, nor are all Muslims of the same beliefs e.g. I have known gay Muslims, Muslims having sex outside of marriage etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, thaibeachlovers said: Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees. Incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, simple1 said: Incorrect How many refugees are the Faroe Islands or Greenland taking then? NB they are part of Denmark which is an EU member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees. Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems. But nothing was done. Now those poor people have Television and internet. They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents. What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity? What would you do if you lived overthere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldhippy said: I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees. Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems. But nothing was done. Now those poor people have Television and internet. They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents. What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity? What would you do if you lived overthere? I know what I'd do, but I can't say it on here. What I wouldn't do is abandon my family and pay evil men to take me to another country because I thought I'd get a load of stuff there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, simple1 said: Under International Convention, which Germany subscribes to, asylum seekers seeking refugee status are permitted to enter in order to verify their claims. Germany deports those who are assessed as illegal i.e. economic refugees/don't meet criteria, though it's obvious at this stage Germany has insufficient resources / enacted international agreements to be truly effective And that's why this has turned into a huge issue. Resources in wealthy EU countries are still for some reason entirely inadequate to differentiate genuine refugees from the rest. So for some reason they've allowed to let anyone claiming to be a refugee in to the countries - and are then shocked when a large proportion abscond and commit crimes! And still won't be returned to their own countries...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Germany doesn't have to verify anyone unless they arrived by plane. They could just insist that the country they crossed to get to Germany keeps them. Far as I know, the first safe country is the only one obliged to take refugees. Quite. 'First, safe country' is for some reason, irrelevant nowadays.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, oldhippy said: I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees. Already way back in the 60s and 70s many people realised that a rich Europe next door to the extreme poverty of Africa would be a source of endless problems. But nothing was done. Now those poor people have Television and internet. They are now all well aware of the difference in life between both continents. What do you expect them to do? Suffer with dignity? What would you do if you lived overthere? " I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees." And this post sums up quite well the difference in opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: " I see no point in differentiating between "real" refugees and "economic" refugees." And this post sums up quite well the difference in opinion.... You took the easy way out, and reacted only to my first line. What's your opinion about the rest of my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Quite. 'First, safe country' is for some reason, irrelevant nowadays.... Never was, look it up - a hint... Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, simple1 said: Never was, look it up - a hint... Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive. Is there a rule which states countries HAVE to take refugees country "shopping"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 9:24 AM, tifino said: ... was visiting through Hamburg back in 2015, and didn't see any refugees... only these only able bodied trouble makers You thought refugee meant disabled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Thank you merkel for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 dublin convention applies first safe country rule.....no rule were so called migrants can choose in which country they can claim asylum and social welfare. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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