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Phuket beach banishment drama - hotel within their rights, say district officials


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6 hours ago, oilinki said:

It would be nice to make the hotel/landowners and the officials to show on record, where does the property line go. 

 

 

 

There are markers showing the line (as shown in the pic) between privately owned and public.  From the pic it seems that there is a notice pointing out private land.

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1 hour ago, johnarth said:

I have heard high tide water line is the point, but I have lived in a seaside city in Vic. Australia and the difference between winter and summer can be as much as 100 meters or more, and it seems the winter water line wins.

Historically (Ordinance Survey/Admiralty) it's the MHWM (Mean High Water Mark)

HTH

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A while ago during the 'beach cleanup', the authorities in Hua Hin relocated many of the beach 'vendors' to Kao Takiap.  The land owners were out with measuring tapes etc to make sure they weren't relocated onto their land.  In a couple of instances, the hotel owners made the army/police move some of the redesignated areas by a few feet to clear their own land.  As has been said, there are survey markers along the high part of the beach showing were private land finishes and public land starts.  A chanote will show the numbers displayed on the survey markers.

 

Like it or not.  It's all above board.

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2 hours ago, johnarth said:

I have heard high tide water line is the point, but I have lived in a seaside city in Vic. Australia and the difference between winter and summer can be as much as 100 meters or more, and it seems the winter water line wins.

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Historically (Ordinance Survey/Admiralty) it's the MHWM (Mean High Water Mark)

HTH

The MHWM is the standard reference for all tidal information combined with chart datum.

Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon and the Sun and the rotation of Earth.  They have no direct connection with summer or winter.

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1 hour ago, Bendi said:

Just gotta love it. All those thavisa members posting their wiews..and wrong again..lmao??

Opinions. 

Never right or wrong, just personal. 

Thats where laws come into it, to over ride opinion. 

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36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Only illegal.

 

I am sure this is a 'mistake' on the chanote, that will eventually be corrected.

No. Of course you can own a beach. You can make an artificial beach somewhere in Isaan if you fancy it. And where does a beach start and stop? How far the sand reaches? What's the exact definition of a beach when it comes to land titles in Thailand? What if I put my own sand that connects my property with the natural part of the beach?

 

This page might give a better view on the issue: http://lantaislandproperty.com/lanta-property-buyers-resources/

 

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ZONE 1: From high-tide mark to 50 meters inland (elevation below 40 meters above sea-level)

• For the first 20 meters inland from the high-water mark there may be no construction and there may be no earthworks at all (levelling or filling).
• The height limit is a maximum of 6 meters – measured to highest point on the building. (In Krabi, officials are approving 2-story buildings with a pitched roof, and are not strictly enforcing the 6 meters.)
• Buildings may take up no more than 25% of total land area – there must be 75% open space.
• Each building’s ‘footprint’ may not exceed 75 square meters; the distance between buildings must be 4 meters; and there must be a minimum of 2 meters between a building and the property line.

 

ZONE 2: From 50 to 150 meters inland (elevation below 40 meters above sea-level)

• The height limit for buildings is 12 meters.
• No shop houses may be constructed (residential row houses are acceptable but must have a gap equal to the width of each unit after every fifth unit).
• Building space may not take up more than 50% of total land area, leaving at least 50% open space.

 

I can't say for sure without visiting the site and taking measurements but to me it looks like Dusit Thani were careful (no surprise, they are not exactly amateurs) and are well over 20m away from the high tide mark and all the buildings within 50m/150m respectively seem to adhere to the law. Again, I have not checked this on-site but I've been to this beach and hotel before and have quickly checked some satelite pictures. The only thing that could get close to a violation could maybe be the height of their main lobby building. Not sure if that's higher than 12m, could be close.

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17 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

No. Of course you can own a beach. You can make an artificial beach somewhere in Isaan if you fancy it. And where does a beach start and stop? How far the sand reaches? What's the exact definition of a beach when it comes to land titles in Thailand? What if I put my own sand that connects my property with the natural part of the beach?

 

This page might give a better view on the issue: http://lantaislandproperty.com/lanta-property-buyers-resources/

 

 

I can't say for sure without visiting the site and taking measurements but to me it looks like Dusit Thani were careful (no surprise, they are not exactly amateurs) and are well over 20m away from the high tide mark and all the buildings within 50m/150m respectively seem to adhere to the law. Again, I have not checked this on-site but I've been to this beach and hotel before and have quickly checked some satelite pictures. The only thing that could get close to a violation could maybe be the height of their main lobby building. Not sure if that's higher than 12m, could be close.

Your link doesn't reference beaches but building regulations related to water distance.

And sure, throw in a comparison with a personal beach artificially made in issaan, that makes sense.

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