webfact Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Extradition of Yingluck not easy: PM By WASAMON AUDJARINT, KESINEE TANGKHIO THE NATION Yingluck Shinawatra No request issued yet to any country; Interpol seeks more |evidence for ‘red notice’ AFTER MONTHS of a cat and mouse game with fugitive former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the junta appears to have become disheartened in bringing her back for prosecution despite knowing she is now in London. Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha yesterday admitted that the extradition process was “generally uneasy”. “Could we even get the other ex-PM back? Did they send him back?” Prayut said, apparently referring to Yingluck’s fugitive brother ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who has been on the run abroad since 2008. “Please don’t make this a domestic issue,” Prayut said. “Everyone, including me, expects [Yingluck] to return but this also depends on the foreign countries involved and we have no control over that. “The police will proceed once all the evidence and verifications are received,” he said. “We have to take this one step at a time. We’re not negligent towards anyone.” Despite Thailand having a 1912 extradition treaty in place with the UK, authorities have yet to formally request that Yingluck be sent back because they have said they were unable to identify her whereabouts since she initially stopped in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Police said she left Dubai, where she stayed after fleeing Thailand via Cambodia in August, and then went to the UK in September but no official update had been given until yesterday. The prime minister yesterday reluctantly admitted his government knew of Yingluck’s whereabouts after learning that his foreign minister had already reported that she was now in London. Prayut yesterday told Government House reporters that he had not received any official report on her whereabouts. However, when a reporter informed him that Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai had earlier yesterday said British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson had told him in September that Yingluck was in London, the PM responded that the matter would be dealt with in according with the relevant legal process. The prime minister also said that he had not given any special instruction to the relevant state agencies regarding the matter. “I will not make any specific order on this case,” he said. “Everything has its own process. We can’t just do anything on our own accord. You can’t expect to me enforce laws to get [Yingluck] returned as they can’t be applied in foreign countries,” he said. Don told reporters yesterday that Thai authorities were in touch with their British counterparts in an attempt to locate Yingluck after having learned that she was in London. He said his ministry would cooperate with the United Kingdom’s Foreign Office now that Yingluck’s whereabouts had been confirmed. “We have communicated consistently but we have not found her,” he said. It was the first admission from the ministry that Yingluck was in Britain, where her brother Thaksin runs a business and owns a residence. In October, police cited Dubai authorities saying Yingluck had left UAE on September 11 and then travelled to the UK. There were no further significant updates until photos of Yingluck in London and Oxford appeared in the media last week. Don yesterday declined to say whether Thailand would issue any objection to the British government if Yingluck applied for asylum there. “It is not the Foreign Ministry’s duty to answer that question,” he said. He pointed out that all of Yingluck’s Thai travel documents had been revoked, so she must have entered Britain with a passport issued by another country. He added that Yingluck’s presence in Britain should not affect Thailand-UK relations. Public prosecutors have yet to request Yingluck’s extradition from any country, Amnart Chotchai, director general of the Attorney-General’s Office’s International Affairs Department, said yesterday. He added that the agency needed to gather sufficient and correct information before submitting a request. “We have to make sure our information is clear and legal, or the requested country may turn us down because we don’t meet their conditions,” Amnart said. He added that Thailand has had a good record regarding extraditions, earning much credibility from the United States and European countries. Amnart said public prosecutors had made requests for Thaksin’s extradition with about 10 European and Asian countries since he fled the country in 2008. However, he said they failed to get him because Thaksin had often left those countries before their extradition requests were served. “Thaksin has his own jet plane so he can travel quickly,” the prosecutor said. Thai police have asked Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organisation, to issue an arrest warrant for Yingluck, Pol Colonel Surapan Thaiprasert, deputy commander of the Royal Thai Police’s Foreign Affairs Division, said yesterday. He said that Interpol had asked for additional evidence from Thai authorities before the requested “red notice” for Yingluck’s arrest could be issued. Interpol asked for the verdict of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Political Office Holders in the negligence case against Yingluck. A copy of the court ruling has been sent to Interpol. Royal Thai Police deputy spokesman Pol Colonel Krissana Pattanacharoen said yesterday that Thai police would seek assistance from their British counterparts to locate Yingluck. He said the Thai police had used “all the existing channels” to track down the fugitive ex-PM, adding that they have made frequent contacts with Interpol units in different countries. In a related development, Democrat Party deputy leader Nipit Intarasombat yesterday asked the government to explain to the public why authorities had been unable to bring Yingluck back for prosecution in Thailand. The politician said that he believed Yingluck had already been granted political asylum because she did not seem to be worried about appearing publicly. “Her arrest will be difficult if she already gets asylum status,” he said. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30335834 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-01-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Full of s h i t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 They did a Google search on "Yingluck's whereabouts". It came back UnKnown, but auto-correct made it UK. If she showed up on my doorstep with a wai and a smile like that in the pic, I'd let her in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 "Here we go 'round the mulberry bush the mulberry bush.. the mulberry bush Here we go 'round the mulberry bush So early in the morning!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, webfact said: AFTER MONTHS of a cat and mouse game with fugitive former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the junta appears to have become disheartened in bringing her back for prosecution despite knowing she is now in London. They are so full of it! "Cat and mouse" game? I read in both English papers that she was in the UK several months ago. There was no "cat and mouse" game. The reason that the government do not request the extradition of Yingluck (or Thaksin) is that they were democratically leaders of |Thailand who were supplanted by the military via coup. Were the Junta to request extradition, it would be turned down officially because both would claim that they were put on trial by the military who supplanted them in a coup. Or put another way... ...the international community would brand Thailand's Justice system as unfair, unreliable and untrustworthy. It would be a humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpokaneAl Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Wikipedia says this about Interpol - To keep INTERPOL as politically neutral as possible, its charter forbids it, at least in theory, from undertaking interventions or activities of a political, military, religious, or racial nature or involving itself in disputes over such matters.[6] Its work focuses primarily on public safety and battling transnational crimes against humanity, child pornography, computer crime and cybercrime, drug trafficking, environmental crime, genocide, human trafficking, illicit drug production[7], copyright infringement, illicit traffic in works of art, intellectual property crime, money laundering, organized crime, corruption, terrorism, war crimes, weapons smuggling, and white-collar crime. I would say that rules out any help from them on this subject. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A troll post using an oversize emoji has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Don't rule out the possibility that she might also have a British passport and could have held one for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracker1 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 If only they would put so much effort into catching a very influential murderer might have a better result ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, tracker1 said: If only they would put so much effort into catching a very influential murderer might have a better result ! Actually...they are not putting any effort into it at all. 39 wild and whimsical topics on TVF does not constitute "effort" in my book. If all the smug talking heads were replaced by cardboard cutouts would you,instinctively, be able to spot the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thailand has abysmal records of extraditing people back, so why this should be any different? I'm sure that there're plenty of loyalist in the police and government that will hinder and stymied any efforts to bring her back and I'm not entirely sure that the PM himself want such a hot potato on his hand should she brought back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, ukrules said: Don't rule out the possibility that she might also have a British passport and could have held one for many years. how could that be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, webfact said: However, when a reporter informed him that Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai had earlier yesterday said British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson had told him in September that Yingluck was in London, the PM responded that the matter would be dealt with in according with the relevant legal process. So Boris Johnson told Don in September that she was in London, but the PM stated on September 27th that she was in Dubai! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-yingluck/thai-junta-leader-says-fugitive-former-pm-yingluck-is-in-dubai-idUSKCN1C30A3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is embarrassing, please stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeneeds Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Yingluck is on a shopping holiday, coming home prior to the new election date is, not wanted, not needed, will not be requested, will not be pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Don't rule out the possibility that she might also have a British passport and could have held one for many years.Wouldn't that have ruled her out of the PMs job?A bit like Abhisit...Sent from my KENNY using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, leeneeds said: Yingluck is on a shopping holiday, coming home prior to the new election date is, not wanted, not needed, will not be requested, will not be pursued. Please address any future questions to any cardboard cutout (soon to be on every street corner) who will respond in any nonsensical tropes that you desire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: He added that the agency needed to gather sufficient and correct information before submitting a request. “We have to make sure our information is clear and legal, or the requested country may turn us down because we don’t meet their conditions,” Amnart said. He added that Thailand has had a good record regarding extraditions, earning much credibility from the United States and European countries. Lets hope all is documented and submitted correctly so as to bring the fugitive back to face the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colinneil Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, steven100 said: Lets hope all is documented and submitted correctly so as to bring the fugitive back to face the music. Lets hope any future government goes after some of the present mob, and jails/ extradites them( if they are abroad) for all their wrong doings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, steven100 said: Lets hope all is documented and submitted correctly so as to bring the fugitive back to face the music. Maybe if she sends back a cardboard cutout of herself the PM will understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 He knows that no "civilised" nation is going to extradite an elected leader of a nation back to the very junta that illegally overthrew her. Even a government like the UK government that has no qualms about dealing with despots has to be seen to be following international law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Anti-government protesters carry signs against ousted Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra as they march in central Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, steven100 said: Anti-government protesters carry signs against ousted Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra as they march in central Bangkok. No mention of how much they got paid to demonstrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: He said that Interpol had asked for additional evidence from Thai authorities before the requested “red notice” for Yingluck’s arrest could be issued. Interpol asked for the verdict of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Political Office Holders in the negligence case against Yingluck. A copy of the court ruling has been sent to Interpol. 3 hours ago, webfact said: “Thaksin has his own jet plane so he can travel quickly,” the prosecutor said. I wonder how the Red Notice would be written? How could it be justified? without political embarrassment. Any picture of Mr T's plane/jet? To extradite Yingluck the English court would have to be satisfied that any Thai conviction would have to be fair and justified. The other problem is that to bring her back this way may also affect the polls. The General wants people to like him. A witch hunt that is a political football for the coup leaders. Two wrongs don't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaiyen Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 How about they get the Red Bull boy back first to show they are slightly capable of doing their job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, steven100 said: Anti-government protesters carry signs against ousted Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra as they march in central Bangkok. Rent-a-mob decked out in s.w.a.g And nothing more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Pantomime from start to finish. Political power and the country's resources are divvied up in meetings behind closed doors. All press statements are just fairytales with no truth in them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, steven100 said: Anti-government protesters carry signs against ousted Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra as they march in central Bangkok. Thai people, marching in the capital of Thailand, protesting about a Thai PM yet they seem to have written all their signs in english - propaganda much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 More smoke and mirrors from your favorite Junta. Her ‘flight’ was a deal, plain and simple…they get her out of the country and she gets to keep the money. Everybody wins. The last thing Uncle wants is either of the Shins back in Thailand. If she or her brother actually showed up at Suvarnabhumi the government would sh*t. But Uncle needs to pound his desk to maintain the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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